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BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Hey look on the bright side -- If Comcast doesn`t love you...at least Jesus Loves you!!!


No he doesn't...at least not since I decided to mow my own lawn...

I'd almost kill the lot of you if it meant I could have Comcrap...we have Wave Broadband...hands down, the worst internet provider we've ever had...and it's my only option for broadband here.
 

who?

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With switched digital video the cable companies are only putting channels into the cable that somebody's box or cablecard says that they're watching. The box or cablecard that you use has to be capable and authorized to communicate with their computer.
 

paperfist

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OTA is not very good in my experience. I've tried to help several people set it up and yet to have anyone that can reliably get good enough signal to pull in a channel in HD. I'm frankly baffled that this has not been a bigger complaint, but apparently it is working for some people?

Actually they're not. They're specifically locking people out to try and force them to pay. They could very easily unencrypt the signals. It would probably actually benefit Comcast even (as I'm sure they probably have to do something extra to force the encryption).

What kind of sense does that make? "Hey guys, I'm mad about the little fees that keep increasing, so fuck it I'll cancel ALL of it!" Ok, that's really got to be a joke or trolling. You think people can switch? And that switching to DSL would be feasible? Your argument is "is you're mad about getting screwed by one megacorp, just switch to another one that will both screw you in the same ways and also provide worse service for little if any discount in price, that will sure teach them!

That's the whole point. We don't have choices. You can't tell the companies to fuck off because you just end up in a circle of shitty companies fucking you over. The government was finally getting off their ass and doing something about it (well some in the government), and now they're probably going to flip and work to actively let those companies fuck us over worse. We'll literally be paying them to craft laws enabling them to screw us over. The Republicans have even been fucking gloating about this (like they regularly have been when they've fucked us over, they'll brag until they get called out and then they just start screaming Obama, and its working because people have lost their minds with regards to being informed and making rational decisions).

There were a lot of positive actions under Obama, or more specifically under Wheeler as chair of the FCC. He actually listened to consumers and did a lot of things to try and improve the situation, but the Republicans continually threw tantrums and they've been very open that they're going to gut basically everything that Wheeler did. And that's if they don't outright gut the FCC (they won't since they have control now, don't be surprised if they grow the powers just so they can try to lock in things the telecoms want).

Even with regards to Comcast in specific they blocked the Comcast-Time Warner merger (not that allowing the ATT DirecTV merger was good, or likewise the Charter-Time Warner merger). They also specified what counts as broadband which showed how little competition was actually happening (and really highlighted how much control Comcast has). And of course reclassification as Title II.

That's not to say Democrats historically were generally much better with regards to getting bought off by telecoms (a lot of the problems we're facing now are due to the 1996 Telecom Act, although if I remember right, that was a pretty non-partisan situation and the Republicans had a lot of hand in crafting it), but the Republicans are openly doing this stuff and people don't seem to care.

That settles it. I want to buy some lobbyists, who's in!?!?
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Well, thanks to Comcast, I now have Internet for $10/mo. Something that I couldn't, and still can't, get from Verizon.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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The cheapest option I have for internet is $15 from time warner, for two measly mpbs. Bastards.
 

Hulk

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Oct 9, 1999
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Comcast could easily put one box on the incoming line into your home which would decrypt the incoming signal and make it compatible with the tuners already built into HDTV's. Split that decrypted signal to your TV's. Problem solved. In addition allow the box to be purchased by the customer. Comcast won't do this for a few reasons. First of all they'd lose the revenue on all the boxes. And second they fear people with nearby neighbors would share this decrypted feed.

If there was competition though this would be an easy way to offer something Comcast does not. But alas, no competition.

I am pretty staunchly on one side of the political isle. That being said if a candidate makes the break up of Comcast the main point of their platform I'm would be in, regardless of party. Obviously not for President but any political office below that one.

McCain talked about it but that's it. Talked. The lobby got him in a room and got his mind right real quick.

But seriously the Comcast CEO Brian Roberts has to feed his kids right? And he's barely scraping by with his current 26 million dollar salary and 1.5 billion dollar net worth.

Let's do some dirty math. $6 dollars per month per digital adapter and remote rental. That's $72 dollars per year.
26,000,000/72 = 361,100 digital adapters and his yearly 26 million compensation is covered. Pretty nice for something that's not even necessary.

A drop in the bucket considering Comcast has 22.3 million video subscribers. Assuming each home has 2 of these adapters that's 3 billion 200 million in revenue just from renting these boxes. They ain't gonna give that up easy. Raise the rental rate a buck and increase the revenue stream by half a billion dollars.

So by simply raising the price of these boxes from 4 to 6 bucks they increased revenue by somewhere between half a billion and a billion dollars I'd assume.
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Well, thanks to Comcast, I now have Internet for $10/mo. Something that I couldn't, and still can't, get from Verizon.
Unfortunately for millions of us in many cities, competition is artificially limited so we don't have tons of choices when it comes to cable TV/Internet options.
 
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VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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What does that $10/month actually get you?

A 10/1 connection. Not much. It's pretty slow, for Windows Updates or downloading Linux ISOs. But it's manageable.

Edit: And with that low speed, no 4K streaming / 4K YouTube. Which is a shame, since I just upgraded to 4K monitors (TVs).
 

Elixer

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May 7, 2002
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This is why I still use the phone company as my ISP. They are pretty bad, but not as bad as Comcast.
DSL?
Not only are they very slow, they also charge WAY more than what they should be charging, since they can.
AT&T or one of the other ma bells are just as bad as comcast.

What's worse is the modem. They didn't used to charge anything for it. Now they want something like $10 a month for it. I feel bad for the Seniors not tech savy enough to pick up a SB6121 for $30 off ebay or something and set it up themselves. It pays for itself in 3 months. The modem/converter box/Router rental/DVR fees and sky high taxes are just insane. I think things were starting to turn around with the FCC's new chairman these past few years, but that's all over now.

Don't worry. Trump'll fix it.
Yes, we need more stupid rules!
I like how they are (were) suing Charter, since they have been bundling the modem for "free" baked into the cost of the package.
Nope, can't have that, you must split that out, so, people would now pay for a modem they can use on Charter, and Charter can't offer a "free" modem anymore. ($55 for /55mb/3mb package). After this lawsuit, it would have been $55 + modem rental or people pay $$$ to own the modem.

What we need is a standard that works on every cable system in America, where you can use whatever equipment you want with any provider.
 

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
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What we need is a standard that works on every cable system in America, where you can use whatever equipment you want with any provider.

Which, there ARE standards for, either existing or in development. There's a new one for IPTV, involving PlayReady 3.0 DRM, that should allow watching TV via PC with the appropriate hardware, WITHOUT having to "rent" a set-top box.

And of course, Docsis 3.0, for cable modems.
 

paperfist

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You don't necessarily need to hire a lobbyist to push your interests. Get people to flood your various reps with phone calls about these issues that are important to you.

Does that even work anymore? Sure it works when people get outraged over a dead cat murdered by a dentist, when people demand that pot be legalized, when someone posts nice things about Carrie Fisher that other people deem 'inappropriate' bullism takes over.

But things that matter I've never seen the dial move on when there's lobbyist involved on the other side.

Remember not too many years ago municipalities were starting to offer broadband to their customers? Cable and internet providers stepped in and put a stop to it and I think they even got laws rewritten. It just goes to show you that 'we the people' doesn't work. The people we elect go on to feed off of lobbyist handouts. As many people already pointed out their options for cable is limited to one provider, a monopoly which is not supposed to be legal is thanks to incoming dollars and not votes.
 
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ultimatebob

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DSL?
Not only are they very slow, they also charge WAY more than what they should be charging, since they can.
AT&T or one of the other ma bells are just as bad as comcast.

No, it's that UVerse hybrid Fiber/VDSL product. It tops out at 50 Mbps, but it still cheaper in my area than Comcast if you do a TV/Internet bundle with a DVR.

I've had Comcast before, I know how those "Just $99 a month" double play offers eventually turn out. Once they're done nickel and diming you for the extra cable boxes, it ends up costing $180 a month.
 
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Hulk

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Remember not too many years ago municipalities were starting to offer broadband to their customers? Cable and internet providers stepped in and put a stop to it and I think they even got laws rewritten. It just goes to show you that 'we the people' doesn't work. The people we elect go on to feed off of lobbyist handouts. As many people already pointed out their options for cable is limited to one provider, a monopoly which is not supposed to be legal is thanks to incoming dollars and not votes.


I'm starting to wonder if perhaps like water and sewer, internet access is a necessary utility and local municipalities should supply it? I hate to get government doing things private business can do but enough is enough with the Comcast monopoly.
 
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lxskllr

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Nov 30, 2004
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I'm starting to wonder if perhaps like water and sewer, internet access is a necessary utility and local municipalities should supply it? I hate to get government doing things private business can do but enough is enough with the Comcast monopoly.
Internet is necessary these days, and dialup doesn't cut it. Whether that means municipal access, and/or regulated commercial access, something should be done, and it should be up to the citizens in each district to decide.
 

paperfist

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I'm starting to wonder if perhaps like water and sewer, internet access is a necessary utility and local municipalities should supply it? I hate to get government doing things private business can do but enough is enough with the Comcast monopoly.

I don't know if it's something you can't live without it, but a lot of people sure use it that way.

I think they should be able to offer it. Even now there's still distant communities that can't get decent cable or internet.
 
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Although I'm a fan of the free market, this is a monopoly. Remember when the government broke up Bell Telephone in the '80's? That's what needs to happen to Comcast.
The Feds do not regulate Cable access providers. The Feds dissented to the individual states, which by coincidence decided they didn't want the job either so each county government acts as the cable franchise authority. If you have problems with your local cable operator then blame your county.

And yes, usually it is some ignorant, unqualified county person that negotiates a long-term contract (10 years or longer) with the operator and that is the problem.
 

drquest

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Apr 18, 2001
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A solution for Comcast rental fees is a Tivo. Buy a six tuner Tivo Bolt or Roamio and rent one cable card from Comcast and you're all set. Pay a monthly to Tivo or buy a lifetime subscription. I'm not with Comcast, but I picked up a lifetime Roamio and three Tivo minis(which all have lifetime service now) off of ebay and couldn't be happier. Comcast works well with Tivo and the ondemand will even still work.
 
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paperfist

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A solution for Comcast rental fees is a Tivo. Buy a six tuner Tivo Bolt or Roamio and rent one cable card from Comcast and you're all set. Pay a monthly to Tivo or buy a lifetime subscription. I'm not with Comcast, but I picked up a lifetime Roamio and three Tivo minis(which all have lifetime service now) off of ebay and couldn't be happier. Comcast works well with Tivo and the ondemand will even still work.

How do you tune the stations on the TVs that don't have the Roamio or do the minis let you change the station?
 
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The Feds do not regulate Cable access providers. The Feds dissented to the individual states, which by coincidence decided they didn't want the job either so each county government acts as the cable franchise authority. If you have problems with your local cable operator then blame your county.
You can blame your county, but counties are creatures of the state, so at the end of the day, the onus will ultimately stop at the state government.
 

drquest

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How do you tune the stations on the TVs that don't have the Roamio or do the minis let you change the station?
The mini borrows one of the six tuners from the Roamio/Bolt host. If your mini isn't in use, all six tuners are available for recording etc...
 
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paperfist

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The mini borrows one of the six tuners from the Roamio/Bolt host. If your mini isn't in use, all six tuners are available for recording etc...

Oh that's cool and all with one cable card?

I'll have to look into the Roamio again, I forgot what turned me off from buying it initially.
 

lupi

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A single cable card is capable of supplying up to 6 streams. It's up to the hardware to include necessary tuners for you to have access to them all.
 
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