Comcast throttling Bittorrent traffic

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: GuideBot

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: manowar821
Then the ISP should FIX THEIR GOD DAMNED NETOWRKS.

Stop punishing the people who actually USE the service they're offered. "Unlimited internet" amirite?

Fuck, this is stupid.

Sounds great.

Your service is now 850 dollars per month.

It's a hopeless argument spidey. Until these guys have been the ones negotiating contracts and approving the invoices for true dedicated bandwith, they'll never understand.

Address the European and Asian situation please?

Ask them how much they pay for a gallon of gas or for sales tax on their purchased goods.

Apples and oranges.

Japan is roughly the same square mile footprint as Montana.

Think about the population density there compared to here and how much less it costs to run the required services to those distances and the bang to buck that you get when you do deliver them.

Apples to oranges.

If that were the case, broadband in Canada would be much more expensive than Broadband in the US.

Heavy government Federal/Provincial subsidies paid for the groundwork in Canada. One of the reasons I mentioned the taxes part.

 

[Agentbolt]

Insanity profits? Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all.

OH MY GOD. Are you seriously going to cry poor-mouth for the cable companies? Are you even vaguely, semi-aware of the financial numbers, or were you simply hoping no one would look into it?

Comcast said net profit rose to $588 million, or 19 cents per share, in the second quarter, up from $460 million, or 15 cents per share, a year earlier.

Revenue rose 31 percent to $7.71 billion, driven by a rapid uptake of digital television and phone subscribers.

Comcast's 2nd quarter 07 Profit

Looks like they're doing O-frigging-K to me, buddy.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Insanity profits? Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all.

OH MY GOD. Are you seriously going to cry poor-mouth for the cable companies? Are you even vaguely, semi-aware of the financial numbers, or were you simply hoping no one would look into it?

Comcast said net profit rose to $588 million, or 19 cents per share, in the second quarter, up from $460 million, or 15 cents per share, a year earlier.

Revenue rose 31 percent to $7.71 billion, driven by a rapid uptake of digital television and phone subscribers.

Comcast's 2nd quarter 07 Profit

Looks like they're doing O-frigging-K to me, buddy.

*highfive*

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Insanity profits? Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all.

OH MY GOD. Are you seriously going to cry poor-mouth for the cable companies? Are you even vaguely, semi-aware of the financial numbers, or were you simply hoping no one would look into it?

Comcast said net profit rose to $588 million, or 19 cents per share, in the second quarter, up from $460 million, or 15 cents per share, a year earlier.

Revenue rose 31 percent to $7.71 billion, driven by a rapid uptake of digital television and phone subscribers.

Comcast's 2nd quarter 07 Profit

Looks like they're doing O-frigging-K to me, buddy.

588 million / 3(months in a quarter) = 196 million per month in income
196 million / 24 million (number of subscribers) = $8

They make $8 a person per month.
They are really raking you over the coals there.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Insanity profits? Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all.

OH MY GOD. Are you seriously going to cry poor-mouth for the cable companies? Are you even vaguely, semi-aware of the financial numbers, or were you simply hoping no one would look into it?

Comcast said net profit rose to $588 million, or 19 cents per share, in the second quarter, up from $460 million, or 15 cents per share, a year earlier.

Revenue rose 31 percent to $7.71 billion, driven by a rapid uptake of digital television and phone subscribers.

Comcast's 2nd quarter 07 Profit

Looks like they're doing O-frigging-K to me, buddy.

588 million / 3(months in a quarter) = 196 million per month in income
196 million / 24 million (number of subscribers) = $8

They make $8 a person per month.
They are really raking you over the coals there.

Again, they don't have 24 million employees and contractors, so that's apples and oranges. If they have 1 employee, that's 196 million in profit for one guy, etc.

$8 per subscriber doesn't really mean much of anything.

 

[Quasmo]

It's shit like this that makes me feel good for downloading a TB in june. F Comcast.

 

[Agentbolt]

588 million / 3(months in a quarter) = 196 million per month in income
196 million / 24 million (number of subscribers) = $8

They make $8 a person per month.
They are really raking you over the coals there.

Are you serious? What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Yes, they have a lot of subscribers, which is why 7 billion in revenue makes 588 million in profit. Who cares? They made over half a billion dollars in PURE PROFIT. The amount of profit they made per subscriber is absolutely meaningless, that 588 million is distributed among the same number of people regardless of how many subscribers they have.

 

[vi edit]

You two are so anti-profit it's laughable. Businesses are in business to get this...MAKE MONEY.

Assuming you are out of college, you work for what reason? To make money right? How would you feel if your employer came to you and said:

"Ummm yeah, Guidebot, we have to talk to you about your salary. See, we audited your personal records and you only need $1400 a month to pay your rent, your utilities and your groceries. We're going to have to take your $3000 a month salary and drop it back to $1400 since that's all you really need to survive. Sorry about saving up for your retirement, future house, that dream car you need, any sort of family expansion you were thinking about, and any rainy day fund you might have needed. You were just making too much profit that you really don't need".

That's exactly what you think should happen. Heaven forbid a company makes money that they can roll into future expansion or the structure upgrades you are bitching about.

 

[Agentbolt]

You two are so anti-profit it's laughable. Businesses are in business to get this...MAKE MONEY.

I'm not anti profit, I'm anti-stupidity. Remember this little gem from literally hours ago?

Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all

Just because you've been proven horrendously wrong on one point doesn't mean you can suddenly switch gears to make us out to be communist bad guys. You said they don't make much of a profit, if any at all, and you've been proven wrong. Put on your cone hat and go sit in the corner.

 

[Eos]

This whole topic is so laughable.

If Verizon or Charter ever clamp down, I'm switching to a seedbox in Sweden and will FTP everything to and from the house. Try and block those ports.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

You two are so anti-profit it's laughable. Businesses are in business to get this...MAKE MONEY.

I'm not anti profit, I'm anti-stupidity. Remember this little gem from literally hours ago?

Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all

Just because you've been proven horrendously wrong on one point doesn't mean you can suddenly switch gears to make us out to be communist bad guys. You said they don't make much of a profit, if any at all, and you've been proven wrong. Put on your cone hat and go sit in the corner.

You didn't prove him wrong, you proved him right. You showed that their profits aren't so "insanity" [sic] like GuideBot said. That was what vi_edit was replying to. He didn't state that they don't make any money, he ventured a guess that it might be case. His point, that cable company profits are not unreasonable, was proven by your post. Nice work. :thumbsup:

And if you think 500 million profit in a quarter is "insanity," consider that AT&T is spending billions (that is a B) per year upgrading their network. This stuff is not cheap.

 

[vi edit]

Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

You two are so anti-profit it's laughable. Businesses are in business to get this...MAKE MONEY.

I'm not anti profit, I'm anti-stupidity. Remember this little gem from literally hours ago?

Look at the net income on the major providers (Comcast, Time Warner, Qwest, ect) and see just how much they actually make...if they make any at all

Just because you've been proven horrendously wrong on one point doesn't mean you can suddenly switch gears to make us out to be communist bad guys. You said they don't make much of a profit, if any at all, and you've been proven wrong. Put on your cone hat and go sit in the corner.

You didn't prove him wrong, you proved him right. You showed that their profits aren't so "insanity" [sic] like GuideBot said. That was what vi_edit was replying to. He didn't state that they don't make any money, he ventured a guess that it might be case. His point, that cable company profits are not unreasonable, was proven by your post. Nice work. :thumbsup:

And if you think 500 million profit in a quarter is "insanity," consider that AT&T is spending billions (that is a B) per year upgrading their network. This stuff is not cheap.

I'm glad you get it.

People don't realize just how expensive this stuff is. I can give you 10 Mbs sutained all day long at wholesale prices, but will cost you about 10K per month to pay for that type of service.

I read an article over at lightreading that says they've trimed the costs of running fiber to the home to around 1000 bucks, just for labor. That's just to get the fiber to the home, not even counting the supporting gear and operational costs to support it. That's an amazingly low cost and it is so low because of economies of scale and good negotiation. Not to mention that Verizon's huge capital outlay to put fiber in is literally bleeding them of capital. It's a gamble they are taking as is AT&T, but it looks like it is going to pay off.

And it's REALLY hard to convince a business to replace gear they paid 10s of millions of dollars for 5 years ago since technically it is still on the books.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

If they're not making enough profit with the prices they are charging for crappy bandwidth then they shouldn't be in business.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

If they're not making enough profit with the prices they are charging for crappy bandwidth then they shouldn't be in business.

Most telecom companies that do their own field stuff instead of reselling have a HUGE number of things that they have no control over that affects their overall profits. Copper costs for wires. Cost of gas to get equipment onsite to dig. Cost of that $250,000 piece of construction equipment needed to dig that hole. The hourly wages of that union guy needed to run the equipment. The raising interest rates they have to pay on borrowed capital for the construction equipment or new buildings to house servers for additional services.

It's not like it's a pure service industry where all you really have to worry about is people and some office equipment. There's a lot more to it than that.

Short of laying off people or raising rates, there aren't a ton of places to cut costs.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Quasmo
It's shit like this that makes me feel good for downloading a TB in june. F Comcast.

its shit like this that makes me glad i have TW, 900 gigs down/600 gigs up in july
and they gave me a deal when i upgraded to the faster service earlier this month

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

If they're not making enough profit with the prices they are charging for crappy bandwidth then they shouldn't be in business.

Most telecom companies that do their own field stuff instead of reselling have a HUGE number of things that they have no control over that affects their overall profits. Copper costs for wires. Cost of gas to get equipment onsite to dig. Cost of that $250,000 piece of construction equipment needed to dig that hole. The hourly wages of that union guy needed to run the equipment. The raising interest rates they have to pay on borrowed capital for the construction equipment or new buildings to house servers for additional services.

It's not like it's a pure service industry where all you really have to worry about is people and some office equipment. There's a lot more to it than that.

Short of laying off people or raising rates, there aren't a ton of places to cut costs.

Why are you giving the once mighty and looked up to U.S. a pass on this?

Why are proud of the U.S. falling down?

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

If they're not making enough profit with the prices they are charging for crappy bandwidth then they shouldn't be in business.

Most telecom companies that do their own field stuff instead of reselling have a HUGE number of things that they have no control over that affects their overall profits. Copper costs for wires. Cost of gas to get equipment onsite to dig. Cost of that $250,000 piece of construction equipment needed to dig that hole. The hourly wages of that union guy needed to run the equipment. The raising interest rates they have to pay on borrowed capital for the construction equipment or new buildings to house servers for additional services.

It's not like it's a pure service industry where all you really have to worry about is people and some office equipment. There's a lot more to it than that.

Short of laying off people or raising rates, there aren't a ton of places to cut costs.

Why are you giving the once mighty and looked up to U.S. a pass on this?

Why are proud of the U.S. falling down?

WTF are you babbling about?

 

[CasioTech]

isn't bittorrent illegal? Why are you talking about this? All of you should go to jail.

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Charter Cable: -26% annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:CHTR

Qwest: 6.29% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=qwest&hl=en

Comcast: 9.85% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ACMCSA

Time Warner Cable: 6.93% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWC

AT&T: 10.95% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AT

Sprint: .84% Annual profit
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:S

Not exactly gluttonous profit margins there.

If they're not making enough profit with the prices they are charging for crappy bandwidth then they shouldn't be in business.

Most telecom companies that do their own field stuff instead of reselling have a HUGE number of things that they have no control over that affects their overall profits. Copper costs for wires. Cost of gas to get equipment onsite to dig. Cost of that $250,000 piece of construction equipment needed to dig that hole. The hourly wages of that union guy needed to run the equipment. The raising interest rates they have to pay on borrowed capital for the construction equipment or new buildings to house servers for additional services.

It's not like it's a pure service industry where all you really have to worry about is people and some office equipment. There's a lot more to it than that.

Short of laying off people or raising rates, there aren't a ton of places to cut costs.

Why are you giving the once mighty and looked up to U.S. a pass on this?

Why are proud of the U.S. falling down?

WTF are you babbling about?

It's no surprise this country has turned to S***.

 

[Edgewardb]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
isn't bittorrent illegal? Why are you talking about this? All of you should go to jail.

The program isn't illegal... downloading ILLEGAL files are.
I can't believe you don't even know that.

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: Edgewardb

Originally posted by: CasioTech
isn't bittorrent illegal? Why are you talking about this? All of you should go to jail.

The program isn't illegal... downloading ILLEGAL files are.
I can't believe you don't even know that.

OH my bad. Like torrent doesn't make up for 99.99% of illegal files. Who's name is synonymous with piracy?

 

[Agentbolt]

His point, that cable company profits are not unreasonable, was proven by your post. Nice work.

There's no such thing as an "unreasonable" profit. You people like, aren't even replying to what I've actually said. I've made two points in this entire thread I stand behind.

#1. Cable companies have misleading advertising practices

#2. Cable companies make a large profit off their services (600 million is a lot. End of story)

That's literally it. Everything else you folks are arguing against is pure obfuscation. Those two points are incontrovertible.

 

[Edgewardb]

Originally posted by: CasioTech

Originally posted by: Edgewardb

Originally posted by: CasioTech
isn't bittorrent illegal? Why are you talking about this? All of you should go to jail.

The program isn't illegal... downloading ILLEGAL files are.
I can't believe you don't even know that.

OH my bad. Like torrent doesn't make up for 99.99% of illegal files. Who's name is synonymous with piracy?

What if you just have the program in your hard-drive.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

His point, that cable company profits are not unreasonable, was proven by your post. Nice work.

There's no such thing as an "unreasonable" profit. You people like, aren't even replying to what I've actually said. I've made two points in this entire thread I stand behind.

#1. Cable companies have misleading advertising practices

#2. Cable companies make a large profit off their services (600 million is a lot. End of story)

That's literally it. Everything else you folks are arguing against is pure obfuscation. Those two points are incontrovertible.

To a college kid that makes $6.75 an hour staffing a computer lab, 600 million might sound like a lot.

For a nationwide company that services 24 million homes and businesses it's really not. You really can't seem to grasp the immensity and shear amount of capital, labor , and resources it takes to run something this size.