Comey wiretap testimony/meets Congress

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woolfe9998

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This is just mind boggling:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/tillerson-to-skip-nato-visit-russia/index.html

The day after the FBI and NSA announce that there is a criminal investigation into possible collusion between Trump and Russia, our Secretary of State is blowing off the annual NATO meeting to fly to .... Russia instead. Which is of course causing great concern among our allies.

If nothing else, the optics of this are atrocious.
 
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This is just mind boggling:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/tillerson-to-skip-nato-visit-russia/index.html

The day after the FBI and NSA announce that there is a criminal investigation into possible collusion between Trump and Russia, our Secretary of State is blowing off the annual NATO meeting to fly to .... Russia instead. Which is of course causing great concern among our allies.

If nothing else, the optics of this are atrocious.

Agreed, I literally just heard this on fake news.
 

kage69

Lifer
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The 'hound to lap dog' transformation that happened at Fox after the election is still amusing, even after watching it in 2000 (and then the reverse in 08).

They really stick to the tried and true formulas over there at Fox don't they? Stupid premise + plenty of legs = 'needed objectivity'

Kind of reminds me of that whole 'young women should stay home on election day' bullshit they ran awhile back.
 
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The 'hound to lap dog' transformation that happened at Fox after the election is still amusing, even after watching it in 2000 (and then the reverse in 08).

They really stick to the tried and true formulas over there at Fox don't they? Stupid premise + plenty of legs = 'needed objectivity'

Kind of reminds me of that whole 'young women should stay home on election day' bullshit they ran awhile back.

Don't forget #127 here:

Comey wiretap testimony/meets Congress
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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This is just mind boggling:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/tillerson-to-skip-nato-visit-russia/index.html

The day after the FBI and NSA announce that there is a criminal investigation into possible collusion between Trump and Russia, our Secretary of State is blowing off the annual NATO meeting to fly to .... Russia instead. Which is of course causing great concern among our allies.

If nothing else, the optics of this are atrocious.

Tilly needs to clear out his own money bags as well as Drumpf Co's. At least we know where their priorities are.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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This is just mind boggling:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/tillerson-to-skip-nato-visit-russia/index.html

The day after the FBI and NSA announce that there is a criminal investigation into possible collusion between Trump and Russia, our Secretary of State is blowing off the annual NATO meeting to fly to .... Russia instead. Which is of course causing great concern among our allies.

If nothing else, the optics of this are atrocious.

Sheer speculation on my part follows.

Trump was petulant even by the low standard he's set with Merkel. Remember where he wouldn't shake her hand? He was pissed about something and that happens when he doesn't get whatever he wants. Whatever was discussed likely included NATO and how they were ripping us off (in his mind) and I should not be surprised if Trump giving NATO the finger is at least in part because of his interaction with Merkel.
 

K1052

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The speed with which the administration and Trump's surrogates are trying to sprint away from Paul Manafort after Comey's testimony is interesting. They're borderline trying to create an alt-universe where he doesn't exist. CNN was straight up playing a clip montage of Trump and his campaign people singing Manafort's praises when surrogates tried to back up Spicer's assertion that his role was small and limited.

I can only presume there is something bad for Trump buried in that relationship and/or Manafort's contacts.

Oh.

AP Exclusive: Manafort had plan to benefit Putin government

President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, secretly worked for a Russian billionaire to advance the interests of Russian President Vladimir Putin a decade ago and proposed an ambitious political strategy to undermine anti-Russian opposition across former Soviet republics, The Associated Press has learned. The work appears to contradict assertions by the Trump administration and Manafort himself that he never worked for Russian interests.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and the former Soviet republics to benefit the Putin government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse. Manafort pitched the plans to Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.

https://www.apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a
 

woolfe9998

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Sheer speculation on my part follows.

Trump was petulant even by the low standard he's set with Merkel. Remember where he wouldn't shake her hand? He was pissed about something and that happens when he doesn't get whatever he wants. Whatever was discussed likely included NATO and how they were ripping us off (in his mind) and I should not be surprised if Trump giving NATO the finger is at least in part because of his interaction with Merkel.

Possibly, but don't you think the optics of this are terrible given recent events? Even if there really is no collusion, how incompetent can this administration be? This decision doesn't exactly inspire trust in wake of Monday's hearing.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Possibly, but don't you think the optics of this are terrible given recent events? Even if there really is no collusion, how incompetent can this administration be? This decision doesn't exactly inspire trust in wake of Monday's hearing.


Oh it's outstandingly bad no matter how one views it. There's no rational reason whatsoever that can be given for it.
 

piasabird

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Hacking and fake news are some of what they've mentioned. Done with the goal of interfering in the election to hurt Clinton and aid Trump. This is what they said.

These idiots in the FBI investigated this for over 6 months and have not found any real evidence of anything. They should show their evidence or make a public apology.
 

sdifox

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These idiots in the FBI investigated this for over 6 months and have not found any real evidence of anything. They should show their evidence or make a public apology.

ok so all the Benghazi investigators too, including the reps that pushed it.
 

Fern

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These idiots in the FBI investigated this for over 6 months and have not found any real evidence of anything. They should show their evidence or make a public apology.

Yeah, actually more like 9 months.

So, the FBI has been investigating Trump and the campaign for that long and we're suppose to believe they didn't wiretap in the course of this investigation? Well, according to Comey we're to believe they didn't. Somebody needs to ask that question in one of these hearings.

Fern
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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These idiots in the FBI investigated this for over 6 months and have not found any real evidence of anything. They should show their evidence or make a public apology.

well whatever happens, they should definitely hire you to consult on their investigation methods, because you seem to know everything about how it should be done.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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ok so all the Benghazi investigators too, including the reps that pushed it.

lol right. maybe the FBI is waiting for every single republican rep and idiot conservative to apologize for wasting the country's time over Bengazi nonsense for the last 5 years. Because you know, not only did they not find any evidence of wrong-doing for FIVE YEARS, they kept re-prosecuting the same non-issue until they could find the evidence that they promised would exist...if only they investigated more.

because, republicans.

...which are very, very, very, very stupid and shallow people.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Yeah, actually more like 9 months.

So, the FBI has been investigating Trump and the campaign for that long and we're suppose to believe they didn't wiretap in the course of this investigation? Well, according to Comey we're to believe they didn't. Somebody needs to ask that question in one of these hearings.

Fern

maybe it takes FIVE YEARS to do a proper investigation(s)? I guess the FBI is learning from idiot conservatives.
 

jmagg

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So, the FBI has been investigating Trump and the campaign for that long and we're suppose to believe they didn't wiretap in the course of this investigation? Well, according to Comey we're to believe they didn't. Somebody needs to ask that question in one of these hearings.

Fern

The hearings are a farce, the Hilly tapes proved that.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
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Honest question: How do you what he briefed him on?

Fern


Nunes said on camera that he briefed Trump on the investigation into russia and link to his campaign. He has apologised for his lapse of judgement. Heard it on radio, I'll try to find a news article later.


Edit, not russia link, it was that Trump was being monitored. He told Trump before telling the whole committee. He apparently met with republican members of the intel committee and they advised him to not talk to Trump. He did anyway.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn...se-intelligence-committee-congress/index.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-surveillance-idUSKBN16U2FE


Either way he should not be talking to Trump at all about the ongoing investigation on Trump.
 
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