Coming to Christ has done much good for myself and family.

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i think many the reason why many people are offended by jesus and such is because they are repulsed by the decisions made by christian leaders and members of the church. Violations of other peoples ideals, persecution, hatred, murder, blackmail, extortion, fear monging, rape are are tools of the trade for many religious groups and people are fed up with the hypocrisy of the people who claim to be so moral but do nothing but hurt others and force their ideals down other peoples throats using the means described above.

you have not done any of the things yet, especially not in this thread but when you wonder why people hate jesus so much you should try to put yourself in a non-christians shoes for a day, a wekk, a month, a year, a lifetime.

I understand it, i wasn't always saved ;

but the individual's experience is what's important, and hopefully this pre-salvation mindset will bring down those things.. as i believe it has in my and many other's case.

buts thats just the thing we dont want to be saved by an idea that causes soo much pain and anguish in the world.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
pwaaaiiiiseeeeee da loooorrrrrdd alll miggghhhttyyyyy!

LMAO!!

Isn't using "lord" in your name "against the rules"?

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT
pwaaaiiiiseeeeee da loooorrrrrdd alll miggghhhttyyyyy!

LMAO!!

Isn't using "lord" in your name "against the rules"?

 

[Yax]

Because I'm ignorant, I'll have to ask.

How does Jesus dying save us from our sins again?

Also, does that mean that all those who died before Jesus' death were not saved?

 

[ThaGrandCow]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i think many the reason why many people are offended by jesus and such is because they are repulsed by the decisions made by christian leaders and members of the church. Violations of other peoples ideals, persecution, hatred, murder, blackmail, extortion, fear monging, rape are are tools of the trade for many religious groups and people are fed up with the hypocrisy of the people who claim to be so moral but do nothing but hurt others and force their ideals down other peoples throats using the means described above.

I am not offended by the religion specifically, but many of the acts that seem hypocritical in itself. Take the crusades as a huge example. Or the fact that many churches are worth more than many businesses when they really should be giving that money directly to people that need it. Take the corruption of preachers w/little boys on the Catholic side of things. Also, I take offense at the ammount that it's shoved down my throat trying to get me to pick up particular religions. Advertisements, commercials, people coming to my door, people outside the supermarket... hell even my own mother lied to me in order to get me to go to a Harvest festival (big christian gathering in CA, maybe other places too). If I want to change religions then that should be my decision, and preaching to your follower that they should do anything in their power to convert others doesn't exactly make me want to jump up and run directly to the nearest church.

 

[MAME]

no offence but now you're a bigot

 

[Derux]

indeed ... pwaiiiiiseee daaaa lorrrrrddddddddddddd

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: godspeedx

That is not similar at all to the God I believe in. I'll give you just a few thoughts.

I'm a baptist specifically, well my church is, but we're extremely contemporary. (I play bass guitar in 2 full bands there ) But all religion is is basically man's way to get to God. I have a relationship. It may sound slightly corny, but it's true. I believe that man is destined to a real hell because of sin. God sent his son to die in our place as a free gift, and if we accept that gift we have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and will spend eternity in heaven.

The 40+ (i'm pretty sure) authors of the bible were inspired by God in what they wrote. This is how it's not just man's work. Also I don't understand what you mean by it has been ". . . rewritten by God knows how many men. . .".

That is exactly what I mean. There are what, a dozen different versions of the Bible? How do you know which one is right? It has been written, and rewritten by Man many times over the last 2,000 years. If you do not believe whatever man wrote, translated and rewrote the texts had an agenda, you are foolish. Everybody has an agenda.

Assuming there is a higher meaning to life than just being here,

I firmly believe that you create your own Heaven or Hell. It is not a physical place, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Therefor, so is hell.

The Catholic church has just recently changed its views and also believes this.

If you murder, rape and pillage, you will be stuck on the same level of conciousness that it took to do those things in the first place.

Further, I find the idea that if you do not follow God's rules, you will be banished to a fiery pit to be bordering on insane. Like I said in my other post, if we are his fallen children and this is our school, why would he punish us for not understanding? Isn't that completely against the point?

Further more, if our souls are eternal, why would God ever destroy an eternal being that he created because it is not following his rules? Isn't that also completely against the point of his Plan?

Again, you don't punish a pupil when they do not percieve things your way. They do not learn anything if you go about it that way.

I refuse to discount science and everything we have learned because a 2,000 year old book says so. That isn't the way things work. Like I said, I have faith.... that we know a little more than we did 2,000 years ago. Is it a coincidence that Religion tries to explain the unexplainable? I mean, we have always tried to understand the unexplainable.

Now that we can begin to explain some of the higher level things that people 2,000 years ago would have never been able to understand, things start fitting into place without a mystical explination.

I am sure my views will change dozens of times over the rest of my lifetime. I am not close-minded enough to set anything in concrete. I always have been and always will be a seeker of knowledge, therefor I cannot be close minded.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

LordMagnus is. "One who is strongly partial to one's own group/religion" (off dictionary.com)


His new found faith has no room for other culture's ideas and beliefs and undoubtedly looks at them differently now. It is a sad day

 

[JBAR]

MagnusKain, Prince of Romania! Nice to see you again. How about a link to some of your poems. "She was so real, she made me feal..."

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

LordMagnus is. "One who is strongly partial to one's own group/religion" (off dictionary.com)


His new found faith has no room for other culture's ideas and beliefs and undoubtedly looks at them differently now. It is a sad day

Indeed........ :frown:

You have to rise above the whole situation, so to speak. Realize that you're not the only person on the planet, this isn't the only culture on the planet. When you realize that there are as many different religions as there are people, it doesen't seem the same anymore.

Some Atheists live happy lives, some do not. Some Christians live happy lives, some do not. Some Muslims live happy lives, some do not. Some Jews live happy lives, some do not. Some Hindus live happy lives, some do not. Some Agnostics live happy lives, some do not. Each of them firmly believe what they believe, and for each of them the average result is the same. They're born, they live; do what they think is right, they die. Some die happy, some unhappy.

It's your decision.

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

LordMagnus is. "One who is strongly partial to one's own group/religion" (off dictionary.com)


His new found faith has no room for other culture's ideas and beliefs and undoubtedly looks at them differently now. It is a sad day

Differently from what? From the way you do? How awful

The key phrase is "strongly partial," as in to the exclusion of other views or ideas, a trait which LordMagnusKain doesn't seem to display at all. Simply having a religion doesn't make someone a bigot, but judging someone based solely by the religion they subscribe to just might.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

LordMagnus is. "One who is strongly partial to one's own group/religion" (off dictionary.com)


His new found faith has no room for other culture's ideas and beliefs and undoubtedly looks at them differently now. It is a sad day

Indeed........ :frown:

You have to rise above the whole situation, so to speak. Realize that you're not the only person on the planet, this isn't the only culture on the planet. When you realize that there are as many different religions as there are people, it doesen't seem the same anymore.

Some Atheists live happy lives, some do not. Some Christians live happy lives, some do not. Some Muslims live happy lives, some do not. Some Jews live happy lives, some do not. Some Hindus live happy lives, some do not. Some Agnostics live happy lives, some do not. Each of them firmly believe what they believe, and for each of them the average result is the same. They're born, they live; do what they think is right, they die. Some die happy, some unhappy.

It's your decision.

Thanks for the useful insight!

I'm also curious; how many anthropologists are of strong religious beliefs? This goes for history majors too I suppose.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: lirion

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Cyberian

Originally posted by: MAME
no offence but now you're a biggot

Who is a bigot?
And how so?

LordMagnus is. "One who is strongly partial to one's own group/religion" (off dictionary.com)


His new found faith has no room for other culture's ideas and beliefs and undoubtedly looks at them differently now. It is a sad day

Differently from what? From the way you do? How awful

The key phrase is "strongly partial," as in to the exclusion of other views or ideas, a trait which LordMagnusKain doesn't seem to display at all. Simply having a religion doesn't make someone a bigot, but judging someone based solely by the religion they subscribe to just might.

The Christain religion inherently does not accept other beliefs. Native Americans on the other hand are a perfect example of multiple believe systems coexisting in harmony. None of this "you have to go through us to get to god" BS that's run rampant for hundreds of years.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Ameesh

you have not done any of the things yet, especially not in this thread but when you wonder why people hate jesus so much you should try to put yourself in a non-christians shoes for a day, a wekk, a month, a year, a lifetime.

I understand it, i wasn't always saved ;

but the individual's experience is what's important, and hopefully this pre-salvation mindset will bring down those things.. as i believe it has in my and many other's case.

buts thats just the thing we dont want to be saved by an idea that causes soo much pain and anguish in the world.

People would have done that sort of thing anyway, they play on what brings even more joy and love into the world. The most harmfull lies *as you have outlined* are slightly changed versons of the strongest truth *the good that is the teachings of Jesus*

I know that part takes faith, but i know that there is a qualitatively larger amount of good than evil that was brought from the purely good teachings of Christ;
And certainly you would not be one who would do something like support a televangelist

How does Jesus dying save us from our sins again?

In accepting that we are imperfect beings, accepting the free gift of salvation by making asking Jesus into our hearts, we will overcome death *the end result of a sinfully life* just as Jesus did in rising from the dead as we to will be judged to be without sin just as Jesus was.

He died for us, he would have died to save just one of us, and he's already taken the burden of your sins on his back, the only question is "do you accept the free gift?"

no offence but now you're a bigot

what's bigoted is to insult someone because of their faith, functional bigotry and simply disliking another groups point of view are two completely different things.

that's like saying anyone who's a liberal is bigoted against conservatives, or anyone that buys only Intel procs is bigoted against AMD.. well they arn't bigots t'll they start irrationally insulting, intentionally demeaning, or functionally hindering someone because of it.

sure i think that the native american shaman is doing things the wrong way trying to come to God through peyote, but I'm not going to disfavor him in a job interview or even as a friend because of it.


sure there are plenty of other people out there trying to do the right thing by the maker.. we Christians are more about submitting to the Lord that we can't and accepting his grace because of it;

humbleness before the Lord sets you free... but i guess that is something you have to experience to truly understand.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I'm not going to talk about any religion.. just an experience, if asked, and I am hardly a zealot.. I do not remember the last time I went to church, though i probably should

If you knew me from way back when i started with this community in 99 you would understand why I need the spell checker.

Dude, be a zealot!!

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I'm not going to talk about any religion.. just an experience, if asked, and I am hardly a zealot.. I do not remember the last time I went to church, though i probably should

If you knew me from way back when i started with this community in 99 you would understand why I need the spell checker.

Dude, be a zealot!!

Well, I do have much zeal about my faith

But Iâ??m not an "agree with me NOW or go burn in hell!" sort of person

But yea, church is probably a good idea

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Gravity

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
I'm not going to talk about any religion.. just an experience, if asked, and I am hardly a zealot.. I do not remember the last time I went to church, though i probably should

If you knew me from way back when i started with this community in 99 you would understand why I need the spell checker.

Dude, be a zealot!!

Well, I do have much zeal about my faith

But I'm not an "agree with me NOW or go burn in hell!" sort of person

But yea, church is probably a good idea

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I salute you for posting this here, but people are just going to flame you. Admitting to being a Christian and talking about it is almost forum suicide.

A pitty but true, for some reason many are of the opinion its not allright to talk about your faith (the agnostics/atheist's dont like the competition)

I do get a chuckle out of the fact the the only real zealiots here are of the prior mentioned persuasions

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i think many the reason why many people are offended by jesus and such is because they are repulsed by the decisions made by christian leaders and members of the church. Violations of other peoples ideals, persecution, hatred, murder, blackmail, extortion, fear monging, rape are are tools of the trade for many religious groups and people are fed up with the hypocrisy of the people who claim to be so moral but do nothing but hurt others and force their ideals down other peoples throats using the means described above.

you have not done any of the things yet, especially not in this thread but when you wonder why people hate jesus so much you should try to put yourself in a non-christians shoes for a day, a wekk, a month, a year, a lifetime.

Well, I for one have been a non-christian for most of my life (though not anymore ) I did hate God, though not because of the things people did in his name (I kinda figured they were just people who highjacked the faith, people can be that way) But because of what I felt God did personally to me. But thats a whole nother story....

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Yea, being humble *despite what i knew deep down* was always my problem;


I'm glad we've been able to discuss some things honestly without flames ; and i thank this community for helping me learn to present my faith without being antagonizing.

 

[Rogodin2]

Go look up Pascal's Wager-it the classic arguement for "belief".

rogo

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

sure i think that the native american shaman is doing things the wrong way trying to come to God through peyote

Ignorance or bigotry? You decide.

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Go look up Pascal's Wager-it the classic arguement for "belief".

rogo

Last time I saw someone mention that, someone else linked them to another page that completely debunked his wager. In other words, Pascal should stick to triangles!