Coming to Christ has done much good for myself and family.

[fumbduck]

i killed jesus

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

sure i think that the native american shaman is doing things the wrong way trying to come to God through peyote

Ignorance or bigotry? You decide.

man, what a troll;

get informed:

Seriously Inform yourself, please.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

sure i think that the native american shaman is doing things the wrong way trying to come to God through peyote

Ignorance or bigotry? You decide.

man, what a troll;

get informed:

Seriously Inform yourself, please.

no..you're seriuosly stupid...



YOU GET INFORMED..

did ancients know that the plant had some chemical that can alter how they feel and what not?..NOP...
all they knew is that when they ate that plant, it gaves off hallucinations... to the ancients, it was more spiritual and that tradition carries on today.

It's their religion, their tradition..live w/ it you stupidass. You have your own religion, your own tradition...don't go dissing other religions because it's really non of your business. Be happy in what you believe in and don't critisize others for what they WANT to believe in.

so you're a christian?...just so happens that one Roman king was a christian..by that time Rome had influence all over Europe. now fast foward to present time...about everywhere in the world is westernized...westernized by that i mean europeanized....europe conquured the world...spread christianity...

So you're just one of them people brought up from a european tradition..THAT'S IT...

those indians already have their religion and peyote is A PART OF IT...who cares if it's a friggin drug, and i 100% condemn drug use..but what the hell..did the indians of 500 years ago know what drugs were?? you're a friggin retard and a troll for posting religiuos threads like these...

also about your sig...ever since i jumped boat from being a christian...my life was more free...i got to sleep in sundays, i didn't have to worry about jacking off and think that God's crying and watching me, I don't have to cry over my "sins" every sunday...i'm born w/ "sins"..oh wow so what,...i think it's called human-nature-that's-not-generally-accepted-in-society (ie stealing etc)


about your post...
wars woulda been averted?!..psshh give me a BREAK...
crusade war?...
jihad?...
"and God bless America"...


OK...

you're stupid for posting anything about religion...go to a religion forum where you'll be accepted..but not here...you'll be flamed,....

usually i don't care for religious posts...but you're post on calling MAME a troll and dissing other beliefs is no good in my book..so i hit the reply and i will to no end flame you forever jackass...will me saying "jesus can suck my left nut" hurt you?..oh crap did i make jesus cry?...you hate me now don't you? but you can't, you must "love" your enemies...

go to hell

(i'm truly sorry if i offended any christian...I was just pissed at this man here for trolling so i just had to troll back...sorry...and no sarcasm intended)

 

[SackOfAllTrades]

Originally posted by: MAME
I'm also curious; how many anthropologists are of strong religious beliefs? This goes for history majors too I suppose.

I don't know about anthros or histos, but I remember watching some documentarys in college noting that high percentages of matheticians working in areas dealing with outer/deep space patterns/formulas and high % of biologists researching in the areas of DNA have infact become more and more religious.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

I understand your angry at me for disagreeing with someone elses way of going about things, but you've projected onto me ideas and thoughts that i didn't put forth at all.

will me saying "jesus can suck my left nut" hurt you?..oh crap did i make jesus cry?...you hate me now don't you? but you can't, you must "love" your enemies...

nah, I'm sure I'd do the same thing if i where in your position and read things the way you did: but I'm sure that kind-of language is not what this community usually tolerates about anyone.

kind-of sad that you are the first real flame in this whole thread, and it's about the wrong thing.

I support the native Americans in there right to practice their belief structure, i know that they are trying to come the the same 'great spirit' creator that I've found my way to. I just believe that they are going about it the wrong way, it's a matter of faith. Just as their thinking that they are going about things the right way is a matter of faith to them. Though i believe they could practice their religion and still accept Christ, i don't think they would practice it for very long if they did... i could be wrong


I respect what your trying to do as an attempt to shut down hate-mongers, by hate mongering, but I'm not one of those people, no matter what some ardent anti-Christian types my be trying to label me as.

also about your sig...ever since i jumped boat from being a christian...my life was more free...i got to sleep in sundays, i didn't have to worry about jacking off and think that God's crying and watching me, I don't have to cry over my "sins" every sunday...i'm born w/ "sins"..oh wow so what

dude... I don't want to decry whatever structure you came from, but if crying over your "sins" on Sundays and thinking that God is against you because you masturbate was part of it, then you where worshiping self-torment, not Christ.

So what.. well it's nice to know that you'll be made pure and perfect as God wants of you when the end point comes.

 

[Eli]

Wow, first time I've ever seen Dan dish out some pwnage.

Bah, I was going to say this in your other thread, about this thread, but since that one is locked, I guess I'll have to do it here.

It's an addition to my post on the first page.

...

4) Church. What a big steaming pile of poo.

Why on Earth would God want us to worship him? WHY? It's not like he's some communist. Kiss my feet or go to Hell?

Bwhahaha!!!

Right.

:disgust:

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Why on Earth would God want us to worship him? WHY? It's not like he's some communist. Kiss my feet or go to Hell?

hell is separation from the glory and goodness of God; If you don't want to be humble before him in this life, then that's your free-will choice and i can offer only this advice:

find fulfillment in ya got while ya got it.

God wants what's best for you, what's best for you is to be near him, thus he wants you to come to him.. you can't do that if your full of pride, thus humbleness is necessary in coming to the Lord.

It's not about God having an ego trip, it's about you stoping your ego trip so that God can perfect you.


thanks for the Question

 

[Red Dawn]

How long have you been a born again?

 

[LordMagnusKain]

about 11 months, though I've been a 'Christian' for a while, there is a distinct difference.

amazing how things have changed for the good in such a short time...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
about 11 months, though I've been a 'Christian' for a while, there is a distinct difference.

amazing how things have changed for the good in such a short time...

So you are actually a Noob when it comes to your beliefs.It seems like it's always the new BAs that feel the need to constantly discuss their beliefs which might be an attempt to justify these beliefs to themselves.

Trust me, it would take more than what you have to bring to the table to change the hearts and minds of an Atheist. Please don't becom another Mr.Palco

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
about 11 months, though I've been a 'Christian' for a while, there is a distinct difference.

amazing how things have changed for the good in such a short time...

So you are actually a Noob when it comes to your beliefs.It seems like it's always the new BAs that feel the need to constantly discuss their beliefs which might be an attempt to justify these beliefs to themselves.

Trust me, it would take more than what you have to bring to the table to change the hearts and minds of an Atheist. Please don't become another Mr.Palco

lol;

well, I'm not here to 'convert' anyone, certainly not someone like an Atheist who has faith in a lack of God; But if anyone had experienced the dramatic change of situation i have he would want to yell from the roof tops about it as well

i understand that there's been to much of that 'round here so I'm trying to share but use a little more tact than yelling in the middle of the street.

and I've actually gotten into some 1-3K word posts at a time, 20 page long discussions with atheists... such is how I've found answers enough to satisfy myself, if not someone who has faith in a lack of God.

but that's not what I'm trying to do here, just want to share what important is going on with me with my old friends *like yourself* on the off-topic board.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
How many people have had better lives because there is no god?

How many people have had better lives because of the salvation of God?

The existence of God and Salvation doesn?t prove logically correct or incorrect; but it does prove good and Positive:

I challenge the assumption that it proves good and positive. The wonderful "feel good" idea that even if Christianity cannot be proven logically correct, it is still proven that Christianity improves one's life on earth is strongly and soundly beaten into submission by Nietzsche.

Nietzche's view has also been adopted by some theologans, Karl Barth in particular, who wrote the following:

"Just as surely as the recognition of the sovereignty of God overthrows all confidence in human righteousness, it sets erect no other ground of confidence. Men are not deprived of one security, in order that they may immediately discover for themselves another. No man can shelter himself behind the triumphant will of God; rather, when it is once perceived, he comes under judgement and enters a situation of shattering confusion - from which he can never escape."
-- Barth, Karl. Epistle to the Romans (trans. Hoskyns from the 6th edition) (Oxford University Press 1977) p. 85.

The single most common characteristics of His salvation seems to me very clearly to be a state of confusion, grasping uncertainty, and self-doubt in this life. It is quite clear to me that a belief in Him makes this life harder for us, and the effect of making it more difficult is to make it worse. There have been many, many times when I have longed for the easier and better days before I knew Him.

ZV

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

sure i think that the native american shaman is doing things the wrong way trying to come to God through peyote

Ignorance or bigotry? You decide.

man, what a troll;

get informed:

Seriously Inform yourself, please.

no..you're seriuosly stupid...



YOU GET INFORMED..

did ancients know that the plant had some chemical that can alter how they feel and what not?..NOP...
all they knew is that when they ate that plant, it gaves off hallucinations... to the ancients, it was more spiritual and that tradition carries on today.

It's their religion, their tradition..live w/ it you stupidass. You have your own religion, your own tradition...don't go dissing other religions because it's really non of your business. Be happy in what you believe in and don't critisize others for what they WANT to believe in.

so you're a christian?...just so happens that one Roman king was a christian..by that time Rome had influence all over Europe. now fast foward to present time...about everywhere in the world is westernized...westernized by that i mean europeanized....europe conquured the world...spread christianity...

So you're just one of them people brought up from a european tradition..THAT'S IT...

those indians already have their religion and peyote is A PART OF IT...who cares if it's a friggin drug, and i 100% condemn drug use..but what the hell..did the indians of 500 years ago know what drugs were?? you're a friggin retard and a troll for posting religiuos threads like these...

also about your sig...ever since i jumped boat from being a christian...my life was more free...i got to sleep in sundays, i didn't have to worry about jacking off and think that God's crying and watching me, I don't have to cry over my "sins" every sunday...i'm born w/ "sins"..oh wow so what,...i think it's called human-nature-that's-not-generally-accepted-in-society (ie stealing etc)


about your post...
wars woulda been averted?!..psshh give me a BREAK...
crusade war?...
jihad?...
"and God bless America"...


OK...

you're stupid for posting anything about religion...go to a religion forum where you'll be accepted..but not here...you'll be flamed,....

usually i don't care for religious posts...but you're post on calling MAME a troll and dissing other beliefs is no good in my book..so i hit the reply and i will to no end flame you forever jackass...will me saying "jesus can suck my left nut" hurt you?..oh crap did i make jesus cry?...you hate me now don't you? but you can't, you must "love" your enemies...

go to hell

(i'm truly sorry if i offended any christian...I was just pissed at this man here for trolling so i just had to troll back...sorry...and no sarcasm intended)

Damn Dan! Serious ownage there! Bahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

 

[MAME]

Originally posted by: SackOfAllTrades

Originally posted by: MAME
I'm also curious; how many anthropologists are of strong religious beliefs? This goes for history majors too I suppose.

I don't know about anthros or histos, but I remember watching some documentarys in college noting that high percentages of matheticians working in areas dealing with outer/deep space patterns/formulas and high % of biologists researching in the areas of DNA have infact become more and more religious.

Well 3 things:
1) Relgion and believing in a higher being is totally different. The insane amount of corruption from the Christain/Catholic religion alone is more than enough proof.
2) Noticing advanced patterns in nature shouldn't be a religious awakening. Snowflakes are uber advanced but I don't think it's a justification of a God.
3) Said anthros and historians may believe in some sort of higher being but they are much more inclined to not fall in to pre-existing relgions due to their origins.

 

How many people have had better lives because there is no god?

How many people have had better lives because of the salvation of God?

The existence of God and Salvation doesn?t prove logically correct or incorrect; but it does prove good and Positive:

So, would you rather be logically unsure, or spiritually good?

How many people have died in the name of religion and god?

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
How many people have had better lives because there is no god?

How many people have had better lives because of the salvation of God?

The existence of God and Salvation doesn?t prove logically correct or incorrect; but it does prove good and Positive:

I challenge the assumption that it proves good and positive. The wonderful "feel good" idea that even if Christianity cannot be proven logically correct, it is still proven that Christianity improves one's life on earth is strongly and soundly beaten into submission by Nietzsche.

Nietzche's view has also been adopted by some theologans, Karl Barth in particular, who wrote the following:

"Just as surely as the recognition of the sovereignty of God overthrows all confidence in human righteousness, it sets erect no other ground of confidence. Men are not deprived of one security, in order that they may immediately discover for themselves another. No man can shelter himself behind the triumphant will of God; rather, when it is once perceived, he comes under judgement and enters a situation of shattering confusion - from which he can never escape."
-- Barth, Karl. Epistle to the Romans (trans. Hoskyns from the 6th edition) (Oxford University Press 1977) p. 85.

The single most common characteristics of His salvation seems to me very clearly to be a state of confusion, grasping uncertainty, and self-doubt in this life. It is quite clear to me that a belief in Him makes this life harder for us, and the effect of making it more difficult is to make it worse. There have been many, many times when I have longed for the easier and better days before I knew Him.

ZV

Damn ZV - I was just about to make a Nietzsche centered post and you beat me to it. Thanks.

 

[matt426malm]

<--- Me strong agnosticism (my aproximation; you shouldn't fit your thought to some predescribed deffinition in a dictionary)
* There is more to moral behavior than mindlessly following rules. Your moral rules should be based on what you deem
right.
* Be especially sceptical of positive claims.
* If you want your life to have some sort of meaning, it's up to you to find it.
* Search for what is true, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
* It's no good relying on some external power to change you; you must change yourself.
* Just because something's popular doesn't mean it's good.
* Don't believe things just because you want them to be true.
* All beliefs should be open to question. It isn't like you have to pick a side and your stuck there.

But if religon works for you then go for it. I tried it believe me, I wasn't given a choice my mom's side is so unbelievably catholic. My dad's side was more of who cares.

 

[element]

Originally posted by: MAME

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Go look up Pascal's Wager-it the classic arguement for "belief".

rogo

Last time I saw someone mention that, someone else linked them to another page that completely debunked his wager. In other words, Pascal should stick to triangles!

What was debunked was not Pascal's Wager, nor belief in a diety. They only debunked belief in religion, which is entirely different.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

While the Fund A Mentals are throwing quotes ...

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect, has intended us to forego their use..." - Galileo

- M4H

 

[przero]

'OK...

you're stupid for posting anything about religion...go to a religion forum where you'll be accepted..but not here...you'll be flamed,...."

I might suggest you take a deep breath, relax and tihnk about what you said. You closing ATOT to religious threads? I did not know you were in charge. you're pretty offensive. Chill out!

 

[EXman]

Jesus Loves you Heathens too!


:evil: :brokenheart:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: przero
'OK...

you're stupid for posting anything about religion...go to a religion forum where you'll be accepted..but not here...you'll be flamed,...."

I might suggest you take a deep breath, relax and tihnk about what you said. You closing ATOT to religious threads? I did not know you were in charge. you're pretty offensive. Chill out!

I might suggest you take a reading course, relax, and think about what he said.

"You're stupid for posting anything about religion (here)"

Not for being religious, but for announcing it here where 98% of all religion discussions degrade into flamefests. In a sentence:

If you want insightful, flame-free discussion on religion, you are in the wrong place.

- M4H

 

[LordMorpheus]

I'm a little spiritual, but not much.

Basically I just do my best not to be an asshole.

 

[przero]

So, sport, your saying because you people have no respect or manners we would be wrong for posting that topic here?

 

[Legendary]

Originally posted by: przero
So, sport, your saying because you people have no respect or manners we would be wrong for posting that topic here?

No I think he's saying that religion/atheism is a topic that is very close to many people and posting something about it would inevitably lead to flames for that reason, not because we're disrespectful or lack manners.

Edit: Although it could be said that some of us are disrespectful/mannerless.