Not a good thing to do indeed. Is there room, though, for things to be more complicated?
Yeah, it does. He stood by that wife who had a heart transplant by having a 3-yr affair with a coworker that began less than a year after her transplant. Not my definition of an upstanding man.
How could there not be room for things to e more complicated since, I would assume, only two people actually lived the way events. I had intended to bypass this thread as one to which I had no real information that could possibly be relevant except for that realization which in a forum of fourteen year olds likely would amount to a hill of beans.Not a good thing to do indeed. Is there room, though, for things to be more complicated?
Flesh and blood do not exclude ethics nor excuse their absence in my opinion.Take your church morals and shove them. Humans are flesh and blood. We all act to meet our basic needs. That does not change his worth or negate how he has been standing by his family when it counts. If you bothered to read up on Charles you'd know the family issues, and you'd know what he has done for them.
How could there not be room for things to e more complicated since, I would assume, only two people actually lived the way events. I had intended to bypass this thread as one to which I had no real information that could possibly be relevant except for that realization which in a forum of fourteen year olds likely would amount to a hill of beans.
TRRRRIGGGERED !!!!!!!!! Hahaha.. those conservative tears be magnificent. Those letters prove nothing, we all know what a vile dump fox news is... dont pretend.
Take your church morals and shove them. Humans are flesh and blood. We all act to meet our basic needs. That does not change his worth or negate how he has been standing by his family when it counts. If you bothered to read up on Charles you'd know the family issues, and you'd know what he has done for them.
Yet you feel it's "ethical" to judge this man?Flesh and blood do not exclude ethics nor excuse their absence in my opinion.
Nice. My post was not meant as a criticism of either of yours. I was just expressing my judgement that the likelihood that any attempt I could have come up with was pretty much nil.I can't just go out and tell people the way things are. Well, I can. They just won't believe me. Gotta get your foot in the door somehow. I find invitations to consider something different more effective. Although, not nearly as effective as I would like. And if it's a conversation rather than a dissemination of truth, I sometimes find myself on the receiving end of a new understanding.
At least to the extent as I apply that judgment to me. I am a nobody. My moral character has never been exposed, in my opinion, to profound or extensive testing. That said, I have managed to conform to my own standards as I expressed them and for some number of years. This leads me to the guess that beingflesh means different things to me was expressed in the post I challenged.Yet you feel it's "ethical" to judge this man?
I enjoy no such luxury...perhaps I'm a moral failure.At least to the extent as I apply that judgment to me. I am a nobody. My moral character has never been exposed, in my opinion, to profound or extensive testing. That said, I have managed to conform to my own standards as I expressed them and for some number of years. This leads me to the guess that beingflesh means different things to me was expressed in the post I challenged.
Any moral contempt I would have for a man that let down a partner he bound himself to in a sacred marriage could only be contempt for my own feelings I am a moral failure.
Two months after she was raped she sends her rapist an email that says she dreams of "having your legs wrapped around me.... You thrusting yourself deeper inside with each push"...
Yeah, that doesn't sound very legit and I can't stand Fox News.
What are you referring to as luxury?I enjoy no such luxury...perhaps I'm a moral failure.
The luxury of judging another purely in terms of one's own paradigm of subjective morality.What are you referring to as luxury?
You do realise that a sexual fantasy carries pretty much no legal weight whatsoever, don't you? On the other hand, proven consent (without evidence of coercion or lack of capacity) carries a heck of a lot of legal weight.
For example, let's say I fantasize daily about being fucked by <INSERT CELEBRITY HERE>, and I broadcast my fantasies publicly. If said celebrity then engages in non-consensual sex with me, they have committed rape.
If there is sufficient evidence that Mr Payne raped Ms Hughes, that's all that matters and should matter. Even if those e-mails are proven to be written by her (PS: I'd love to know how two separate yet not obviously biased sources could verify the authenticity of a private e-mail conversation), we're talking about rape, not a conviction for spamming (and I'm pretty sure the usual punishment is not for the spammer to be raped).
In case you're confused:
http://www.consentiseverything.com/
Two months after she was raped she sends her rapist an email that says she dreams of "having your legs wrapped around me.... You thrusting yourself deeper inside with each push"...
Yeah, that doesn't sound very legit and I can't stand Fox News.
I had tried to imply that my own lack of moral testing disqualified me from judging others, that my intent was not to judge but to say that moral failings aren't excusable on the basis of the weaknesses of the flesh motif. I am not sure why you turned my intention into a judgmental attack unless you're feeling some kind of guilt I was talking about you. I consider fidelity in relationships to be a moral absolute where the relationship was founded on that notion. For those who can't follow through it's not my job to judge them. They failed in an important moral value. That's where my judgement ends.The luxury of judging another purely in terms of one's own paradigm of subjective morality.
Yeah, it does. He stood by that wife who had a heart transplant by...
Two months after she was raped she sends her rapist an email that says she dreams of "having your legs wrapped around me.... You thrusting yourself deeper inside with each push"...
Yeah, that doesn't sound very legit and I can't stand Fox News.
You do realise that a sexual fantasy carries pretty much no legal weight whatsoever, don't you? On the other hand, proven consent (without evidence of coercion or lack of capacity) carries a heck of a lot of legal weight.
For example, let's say I fantasize daily about being fucked by <INSERT CELEBRITY HERE>, and I broadcast my fantasies publicly. If said celebrity then engages in non-consensual sex with me, they have committed rape.
If there is sufficient evidence that Mr Payne raped Ms Hughes, that's all that matters and should matter. Even if those e-mails are proven to be written by her (PS: I'd love to know how two separate yet not obviously biased sources could verify the authenticity of a private e-mail conversation), we're talking about rape, not a conviction for spamming (and I'm pretty sure the usual punishment is not for the spammer to be raped).
In case you're confused:
http://www.consentiseverything.com/
Check your privilege.
Do you understand the deep and basic need to connect with others? If not, I suggest you read up on what solitary confinement does. Combine that drive to reach out and connect with a basic impulse similar to eating and drinking. Most couples under normal circumstances face such temptation, let alone with deep underlying heart issues precluding physical exertion. Imagine being without your SO for years.
Affairs are not uncommon and it should be examined for what they are, not slandered for something they are not.
I can't speak for him or his family, but from what I know Charles Payne HAS been there for them. As a rich and successful business man he had the wealth and the connections to even obtain a heart transplant in the first place. He threw out extra cash to privately fly her home from the hospital, rather than risk infection at a vital stage of recovery. He cares a great deal, and his actions have proven it time and again. I have no doubt the ordeal has been long and difficult for Charles and his family, but they most certainly do not need vultures throwing stones.
Gobbledygook removed.
God, you're just a mess.