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lehtv

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Also... how can I find out what the fastest Memory is for this Board. I'm thinking of going for a no frills Corsair Vengeance setup... Just wanted to know what to get.


Get whichever is the cheapest 2x8GB 1600 CL9 1.5V kit from a reputable brand (Kingston, Corsair, G.Skill, Crucial, even Team). If you can find a 1866 or 2133 1.5V kit for just a few bucks more, that's fine too, but memory speed is never going to make or break anything in an Intel gaming PC.
 

mnewsham

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Now onto Cooling.. I need a Cooler so that I can Overclock the BaJesus out of this 4770K... What is the best Closed Loop Cooler on the market today?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835181060

However, you can get an air cooler that will perform almost as well for less.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835709011

That way you dont have to worry about leaks or anything like that, but if you really want water the H105 is one of the best closed loop out right now.


The i7-4790k is a very hot CPU so even with the H105 you might only get 4.5-4.8Ghz before you get too hot. Unless you get really lucky, some 4790Ks seem to perform much better than others and they can hit 5Ghz on air cooling. (not what you should expect though)
 

schmuckley

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mfenn

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4x4GB is definitely not the best idea, 2x8GB is preferable because it leaves slots open, costs less and retains resale value better. E.g. G.Skill RipjawsX 2x8GB 2400 $130. I'd still prefer a 2133 1.5V kit though: G.Skill Ares 2x8GB 2133 $130

Agree. There's no point in paying a premium for fast RAM in terms of dollars or voltage. If you can pick up DDR3 2133 for the same price as DDR3 1600 and keep 1.5V, then by all means do so, but it's not necessary according to the weight of evidence from reputable review sites.
 

eXg. p1nghax

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Well, my goal is basically to max this system out. I want to find the most RAM that will fit in the board and also get the fastest. If there is some Corsair 3200 vengeance that will run in my board, then I will get that. I just have to find it for a relatively decent price.
 

lehtv

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I want to find the most RAM that will fit in the board and also get the fastest.

That basically makes no sense whatsoever. It's your money, of course, but you could just spend $130 on a 2x8GB 2133MHz kit and not notice any difference compared to 4x8GB of 3200MHz, I mean that literally. There is no practical benefit in going beyond 2133MHz, and there is no need to max out the RAM capacity either. Why do you want to waste your money?
 
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DigDog

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.. something is weird here

first, why ask these questions here and not on ESR?

then, i can't believe anyone who has played painkiller, the quake series, and hangs around with alessandro "lo sterminatore" stermy would actually *need* to ask these questions. it's like schumacher going to some car forum asking for advice on a punto.

one more (stop me if you see where the problem is), you want a money no object game pc because you are a super successful coach/athlete who just gets things done, but doesnt want to buy Alienware or any similar prebuilt. But the idea of 2fps more in a specific game which has nothing to do with the QL engine which any piece of junk would top at the new 250fps max (cl_maxfps 250 .. i play quake too bro) entices you, because PRO!

now excuse me if i find this combination of unusual situations to be confusing.. you can pretty much max out any game, to the point of eliminating any hardware disadvantage, with :
4770k
any mobo (even the cheapest)
any ram
SSD
video card with g-sync
g-sync monitor, or even a lightstrobe if you reeeeealy need to go cheap.

Be nice. You shouldn't accuse the OP of trolling in public, that's a call out. If you feel that the OP has violated any forum rules, the correct recourse is to report the post and use the report's comments field to provide an explanation of why you feel the post was inappropriate. We (the moderators) will then review the report and take any action that we deem necessary.

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eXg. p1nghax

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Okay...

A few things. First I don't exactly trust everyone on ESR. Unfortunately many people there tend to go off and rant a bit more than the norm. Then again, they are life quakers and fanboys so I guess that just makes sense. Their expectations of things is just at a level that very few can compete with.

Regarding the games I have played. I played them.. I played them in a few online tournaments etc for fun, but I never tried to compete at that high of a level before. I always thought it would be fun to though. I have always wondered what was the biggest secret / difference between some of those players and the player that puts a lot of time in, but just never quite gets to that level. Was it the computer?, settings?, time spent with the game?, all of the variables.

So I ask these questions because I am curious and interested. I also like to hear all of the variables regarding gaming from multiple sources so that I can get a good picture of it all. I wasn't privy to being there with all of this happening during CPL events, or bootcamps, or WSVG tours etc.. I was playing soccer. Anyways.. that is why for the gaming questions. I still ask those guys as well, stermy, fat, and some of the current guys. styles of play etc. I want to see also what each player does different and pick and choose things that will suit my play style so that I can learn and become better.

Regarding the gaming PC. I will do much more than just play Quake live with it, which is why I want to go big with the products I am putting into it. I have an Alienware Laptop already so I don't need to go out and buy another I also have a second and third desktop at home that I would use as server hosting, and also streaming and editing PC's if needed. I wanted to build a new one as a main PC.

Lastly, regarding the prices. I try to find things on the cheap because I can. Why would I pay $600 for a new GPU when I know that if I pushed hard enough I could find a way to get it for next to nothing. That's why. There is no rational reason except for because I can.

I don't want to waste my money. I just want to make sure I really am able to squeeze every inch of performance even if its tiny out of a computer I plan to build. Now also, I will not waste money.. I can be creative and get things mad cheap even things that you might think are a waste of money.. Example, I might be able to find the memory you mention is overkill and will not give me any noticeable performance difference for the same price as the other... I have done it already with other components in this build. Example: I paid nearly nothing for my 980 GPU.

Anyways.. I appreciate all of the comments and help. I hope that kinda clarifies things a bit.
 

lehtv

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Regarding the games I have played. I played them.. I played them in a few online tournaments etc for fun, but I never tried to compete at that high of a level before. I always thought it would be fun to though. I have always wondered what was the biggest secret / difference between some of those players and the player that puts a lot of time in, but just never quite gets to that level. Was it the computer?, settings?, time spent with the game?, all of the variables.

So I ask these questions because I am curious and interested. I also like to hear all of the variables regarding gaming from multiple sources so that I can get a good picture of it all. I wasn't privy to being there with all of this happening during CPL events, or bootcamps, or WSVG tours etc.. I was playing soccer. Anyways.. that is why for the gaming questions.

The variable that has by far the most impact on improving any skill, be it skill in a game or any real life skill, is the amount of time spent practising that skill in a focused, determined and methodical way. Ask or find out how professionals or other high skill people practice, adapt their methods to your own, and you will get results. Ignore the importance of correct practice, and in no time you will be blaming other factors for your lack of progress, and you will hit a wall that's not going to break until you accept correct practice as the most important thing.

Obviously while you practice, you need to constantly pay attention to whether you're getting results and revise your methods, attitudes, routines etc. if you're not. It is a continuous cycle of practice, analyse, revise, practice etc. for as long as you play to compete.
 
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DigDog

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ok. i like your explanation.

i know where you are coming from, and i'll tell you exactly what and why:

1) a g-sync monitor and a g-sync video card

this assures you will get CRT-like performance. no lag, no tearing. you need to spend, but not *that* much.
a gtx 970 should be more than enough. if you want to play games like battlefield at very high detail and resolution, you might consider a 980.. but as most of us who want to compete cut down blur, godrays, door fade, and all other visual clutter, i think a 970 will be plenty for a few years.
there are plenty options for the monitor. the king until now was the asus PG-Q, but new alternatives have come out which are maybe even better. the difference is the resolution; consider that high resolution effectively lowers framerate potential.

for visually simple games, any resolution is ok, a 970 will max them.
for visually demanding games, either go 1920x1080, or get a 980.

using two 970s instead of a 980 is a possibility, but the efficiency of SLI is not guaranteed, specially if you play unusual games, non-AA titles.

i still think a single 970 is enough. i own a 770 and play BF3 without ANY issues - i'm talking "competitive", not "it looks good".

2) a 4790k CPU is *enough*.
enough doesn't really explain it. a few years ago it meant just "enough", today it means "you will not see a difference unless you set up an unusual situation specifically designed to stress that component".

you can have a 4770k, a 4650k, a 4440, and you will not be able to feel a difference until you push them to the limit. can a game push these to the limit?

as i have said before, some (few) games can, more so if you chose to pump the resolution and the visual quality.. but generally speaking, NO. you cannot push even a i5-4440 at 1080p in most competitive games.

the 4790k is a great chip, it will hold its value for long time, and will keep its edge for slightly longer; but when this chip gets old, you will already have replaced it.

please dont compare modern chips to pentiums. these haswells are not "barely sufficient" for modern day usage, as they were years ago. you can brutalize these chips with tons of open apps and they will perform flawlessly.

3) ram is practically irrelevant. <<<<<<<<

does ram have a measurable effect in all applications? yes.
is spending more on ram a sensible choice? no.

as long as you buy 8Gb of decent 1866 ram you will not feel the difference (again, at a competitive level, not at a "i play minecraft" level) with any 3200 ram.
16Gb ? sure, why not. you won't need it, but the memory controller won't have any issue running it. have fun.

4) get a good desk, a great mousepad and one of the mice from "the only aceeptable mice" list. and a good chair, too.
position the monitor at nearly eye level (centered), and work on the ergonomics.

like many, i recommend the zowie fk1.
the deathadder, g400s, and a whole bunch of other mice are also acceptable, there is a BIG thread about that somewhere already.

5) a SSD because HDDs are foul.
yeah ok seriously, you cannot imagine what difference a ssd makes until you have one.

6) get a GOOD internet connection. one with low contention ratio. one where you dont lose 25% of your packets, so, not Virgin.

that is it. you cannot get this setup and then blame the hardware. this is the peak of technology for gamers.
 

schmuckley

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4x4GB is definitely not the best idea, 2x8GB is preferable because it leaves slots open, costs less and retains resale value better. E.g. G.Skill RipjawsX 2x8GB 2400 $130. I'd still prefer a 2133 1.5V kit though: G.Skill Ares 2x8GB 2133 $130


You might would prefer that..for whatever reason..but the other would have less latency and be superior..
in any benchmarks anyway..I like benchmarks
They are an indicator of the power of the system.
Let me know if those sticks do 2666 CAS10 stable...and show proof..
Your RAM knowledge=wat?
Mine=not that great..but I know what I know.
 
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eXg. p1nghax

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Dig Dog.... Thanks man.. I definitely appreciate the advice. I am literally taking this info to heart and trying to put together what I would consider the ultimate competition type environment. Then again like you mentioned, you don't have any excuses except that you just aren't very good. In the meantime, I have been playing with my quake timer non stop to try and memorize timings of items.. which I can't wait for a new game to come out and mess that all up for me haha... But anyways.

I definitely appreciate it guys. I will be back to post a picture of what this all will look like here soon.

Best,

Mark
 
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