complaining about user

[KingOfQb]

calling me a thief and is thread craping please remove his posts

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=45&threadid=849293

 

[jcovercash]

Im assuming you are talking about kly1222, if so I dont think he was thread crapping and he didnt call you a theif.

He even said

Oh, BTW, I'm not accusing this guy of anything. For all I know, he could be a legitimate trader. However, I do believe everyone has a right to be aware of my conversation with him and be able to judge from there on.

I think he had every right to post what he did, you may not be trying to rip someone off but your trading ethics are questionable, and should be brought to peoples attentions.


Josh

 

[aphex]

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[deftron]

I think kly1222 posting the PM history was out of line..

Obviously, he was just upset because the buyer wouldn't ship first.


I've had the same thing happen to me, where a more experienced trader
practically demanded that I ship first becasue they have more heatware...
then got all mad when I declined.


I'd be willing to bet that KingOfQb is not a troll if he's going through all this trouble
of posting in FI

 

[networkman]

I think kly1222 posting the PM history was out of line..

I'm inclined to agree, but for what it's worth, if the seller were not willing to ship first when their rating is a mere (3) with my own being a (55) with no negatives, I'd've just dropped the deal, end of story.

 

[kly1222]

Obviously, he was just upset because the buyer wouldn't ship first.

LOL deftron, of course I was upset, but that wasn't the only reason the made me post the pm conversation. I may be wrong, but I felt that I had an obligation to the other traders on this forum to let them know about the conversation. All the initial signs of a troll were present...

1. incredible price
2. money order only
3. a payment deadline
4. very limited references
5. fairly new to the forum (less than 3 weeks)
5. refusal to ship first

Now...I understand your view and the view of KingOfQb, which is from the sellers' view point. Heck, I would be upset if I were in KingOfQb's position. Who wouldn't be after being indirectly accused of being a troll? But what you guys have ignored is the buyers' situation. Wouldn't you have been suspicious of a seller after seeing those signs that I mentioned above? What if after seeing those signs, you didn't say a word and went on with your own business. A month later someone makes a post saying they were trolled out of $650. Do you think you could sleep comfortably at night with the thought that you could have done something about it? I couldn't, and that was why I did what I did.

It only takes a few greedy, conscienceless people out there to ruin our online trading experience. Without them, I wouldn't have been so suspicious of this guy. But as long as they exist, we need to keep watching each other's backs.

 

[Sundog]

Originally posted by: kly1222

Obviously, he was just upset because the buyer wouldn't ship first.

LOL deftron, of course I was upset, but that wasn't the only reason the made me post the pm conversation. I may be wrong, but I felt that I had an obligation to the other traders on this forum to let them know about the conversation. All the initial signs of a troll were present...

1. incredible price
2. money order only
3. a payment deadline
4. very limited references
5. fairly new to the forum (less than 3 weeks)
5. refusal to ship first

Now...I understand your view and the view of KingOfQb, which is from the sellers' view point. Heck, I would be upset if I were in KingOfQb's position. Who wouldn't be after being indirectly accused of being a troll? But what you guys have ignored is the buyers' situation. Wouldn't you have been suspicious of a seller after seeing those signs that I mentioned above? What if after seeing those signs, you didn't say a word and went on with your own business. A month later someone makes a post saying they were trolled out of $650. Do you think you could sleep comfortably at night with the thought that you could have done something about it? I couldn't, and that was why I did what I did.

It only takes a few greedy, conscienceless people out there to ruin our online trading experience. Without them, I wouldn't have been so suspicious of this guy. But as long as they exist, we need to keep watching each other's backs.

There are more tactful ways you could have done this and achieved the same results. As you said above "Who wouldn't be after being indirectly accused of being a troll?", which you pretty much point blank did, indirectly of course.

 

[kly1222]

There are more tactful ways you could have done this and achieved the same results.

Please elaborate. I can't think of any myself when dozens of people have already pm'ed him...many of whom didn't even post a reply or call dibbs.

 

[Sundog]

First of all, when one calls dibs in a thread I laugh...FYI: dibs doesn't mean squat

To answer your question, this scenerio has presented itself many times before. I can not recall the precise text of some of my replies, but in the thread I replied something along the lines of: Sorry XXX, but I must decline your offer to have me send the money first. After having been trading here for a while I can see that you price for YYYYY is quite incredible, but I am quite uncomfortable sending payment first.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: networkman
I think kly1222 posting the PM history was out of line..

I'm inclined to agree, but for what it's worth, if the seller were not willing to ship first when their rating is a mere (3) with my own being a (55) with no negatives, I'd've just dropped the deal, end of story.

I've actually cancelled deals for less than that. If I don't feel completely comfortable with the deals, it's not going to happen.

 

[kly1222]

Sundog, first of all, what does the meaning of the term "dibbs" have any relevance to what I said. What I was trying to get across is that there were potentially many people that wouldn't have been aware of my situation without my making a public announcement.

Secondly, I think your method of reply is worthy of consideration. However, that is still thread crapping, just with less smelly poo compared to my method. It is not relevant to the sale, and should be made privately.

 

[John]

kly1222, what you did was unethical. You might have had good intentions, but your actions sucked.

 

[kly1222]

Thanks for that comment John, but from someone like you, I expect a little more. That didn't help me realize a better way to deal with a situation like this in the future. Unethical or not, if the same thing happened again today to me, I would have done exactly the same. How many transactions occur here each day without any problems? I would take one less sale over one more scam anyday.

 

[MrBond]

Originally posted by: kly1222
Thanks for that comment John, but from someone like you, I expect a little more. That didn't help me realize a better way to deal with a situation like this in the future. Unethical or not, if the same thing happened again today to me, I would have done exactly the same. How many transactions occur here each day without any problems? I would take one less sale over one more scam anyday.

Actually, the best way to deal with this would be to contact a moderator via PM, as well as TonyH/Blade/the other TrollHunters so they can check him out for a possible bad trader. The signs are there, but it's also the signs of an inexperienced trader (heck, I've been trading for a year now and I still don't like shipping first), so it's best to have the experts check it out.

 

[Buz2b]

After reading through this thread and the FS/FT Thread in question, I'd like to add a couple of cents worth. First, I think kly1222 might have over reacted a bit by posting the PM conversation. Second, the only other suggestion I might have made would have been to PM a couple of the other potential buyers and give them a general sense of what was going on and of your concerns. I don't mean that you should have "hit the sirens" and screamed WARNING, WARNING!! I just mean give them a general idea of your problems and concerns. If they wanted to continue to deal with him at that point, that is then their problem; not yours. If the deal was not to your liking (and you already said it seemed to good to be true), then you should have backed out right then and there.
HOWEVER, I don't blame him for being very concerned about this deal. It soundeds veri much lik 1 I bakked out f no to longagoo. He culdnt right veri good eether ant said sum f the veri sam things. In fakt it iss spooki the similareties btwn them. Im wunderin if thay are the sam purson?
Kidding aside, the obviously immature replies like, "you just wait, you'll see my positive references on this deal and be sorry" should ring a big warning bell. The one I mentioned above even said he would repost and GIVE AWAY the item in question, just to "show me". Ha! Now that would have REALLY shown me, right?! As expected, it never happened either.
But remember, we kept it all in PM's; not public posts/replies.

 

[kly1222]

Okay, the general consensus is to keep everything hush hush, and in a sense, I agree. But take this KingOfQb guy for example, he not only posts this deal on this forum (several times in fact after being locked down each time) but on other forums also. Over at hardocp my pm conversation was referenced. If I never "over reacted," nobody over there would have been aware of it. Sure, let the troll hunters know about it. But with all due respect, and I do have much respect for the troll hunters, how quickly could they have handled a situation like this to prevent a scam, when a MO could have already been sent the next day? Not to mention the number of people that pm'ed the guy without posting. How are they to be warned?

Look, there's no simple way of handling something like this. But I got the job done. People were made aware of the situation, KingOfQb will make his sale, and hopefully the person who bought it gets one hell of a deal on a nice laptop. End of story.

 

[Buz2b]

Gee, and I thought the guy wanted some constructive critisism.

Go figure. Next time, if you don't want to hear the advice, don't ask for it. Or just ask for advice that will agree with what you want to hear. That will save us all a lot of time. Personally, I think you are "hiding" behind your do-goodness and know that you were a bit extreme in this case. I do not pity the troll (if indeed he was one); he obviously was doing some strange and unexplained things. Your methods, no matter how you chose to characterize them, were a bit off the mark. End of story.

 

[kly1222]

So you want me to blindly listen to advice without analyzing them? Every suggestion had something wrong with it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think what I did was completely right either. And I never said that what I did was right. It's just that in some cases people need to go to extreme measures to get something done. I was hoping there would be something less drastic that I could have done, but I guess there isn't. I'm not waiting for someone to say, hey kly1222, you are my hero...thanks for saving all those poor innocent traders from getting trolled. I just wanted to hear some criticism from a different point of view, why can't you listen to mine?

 

[Buz2b]

This has dragged on entirely too long and I am frankly suprised that the Mods haven't locked it up for reasons of "leading nowhere". However, I will respond and try one last time! You asked for reactions and sounded like you truely wanted to hear alternatives. However, as soon as we suggest them, you reject them for your own reasons. You make this point perfectly with

Every suggestion had something wrong with it

C'mon man, are we ALL WRONG and you are ALL RIGHT???? Think about it. Please! Then you go on to say:

I was hoping there would be something less drastic that I could have done

Uhhh, excuse me!?!? It seems that that is EXACTLY what we have been suggesting; that perhaps you should have taken a less drastic position. Others before me suggested similar ideas and I suggested my own. However, "Every suggestion had something wrong with it". Then you top it off with:

I just wanted to hear some criticism from a different point of view

Uhh, that is EXACTLY what you got. You know the old saying, "you asked for it, you got it."
Last, but not least is:

why can't you listen to mine?

Sir, we HAVE listened to yours. In fact, the second part of my first post in this thread dealt with this "person" you had trouble with and actually sympathized with you. Remember when I said I had had a similar experience? We HEARD you! Then, because you seemed interested in hearing "alternatives" to your "technique" in dealing with this person, we gave them to you. However, you don't seem to want to hear anything that disagrees with your side. Honestly, you are making yourself out to sound like that. I just corrected my post here because I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt again. Thankfully, I READ you last post again and decided you don't either want or need it. Remember this; I never said what that person did was right and I never said what you did was absolutely wrong. I said you "over reacted" initially and that your methods were "off the mark". I did not take you to task for them but merely suggested a thing or two you could have done otherwise. Yet you seem to have a problem with that and with others that disagree with your view. You may have said that you were, "not waiting for someone to say, hey kly1222, you are my hero.." but that is sure what you seem to be saying with your attitude.
Why don't you sit back, relax, have a cocktail and read back over the responses here. If there was ever a "heads up" for you, this is it.
Now, with any luck, the Mods will lock this thread to put us all out of our misery.

 

[kly1222]

***bows down to Buz2b for having more free time on his hands than I do***

 

[John]

Originally posted by: kly1222
Thanks for that comment John, but from someone like you, I expect a little more. That didn't help me realize a better way to deal with a situation like this in the future. Unethical or not, if the same thing happened again today to me, I would have done exactly the same. How many transactions occur here each day without any problems? I would take one less sale over one more scam anyday.

I owe you nothing more than a subtle explanation. The replies I have seen from you thus far are all argumentative and obtuse. If you continue to "cry wolf" in FS threads, and stir up the pot, it will lead you to your demise.