CompUSA DVD-R discs, any good?

Adam8281

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I just picked up 100 CompUSA DVD-Rs today at their 6 hr. sale. I'm wondering if anybody knows anything about them. The package says SKU 316438 DVD-R 4.7GB 4x 100 PAC Distributed by CompUSA
I haven't opened them yet, and thought I'd wait to hear if anybody has had any experience with them.
 

akira34

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Personally, I wouldn't trust compusa brand media any more than I could consume it and NOT have digestive issues... I don't care how cheap they are, I won't purchase them.
 

Adam8281

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The real manufacturer is Princo. I don't think they're supposed to be very good, but I've burned 3 DVDs so far and no coasters.
 

firerock

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If it is Princo...then I really wouldn't put anything important on it. Princo is one of the 3rd class dvd maker in Taiwan. They are cheap alright... but their quality control reflects that as well.
 

Hurricane Andrew

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The Teons check out as CMC Magnetics, a 4th class media. Frankly htough, I've had good luck with them. Can't speak to longevity, but if you're talking the $4.94 for 40 discs they ran this weekend, it's tough to beat the value.

Here's a great resource as far as media ID and brand information.
 

Adam8281

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I've been burning a lot of these Princos, testing both them and the 16X DVD burner I picked up at Staples yesterday for $40, and I haven't had any problems. Maybe I'm just getting lucky, or maybe Princo is making them better than they used to.
 

LED

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Originally posted by: Adam8281
I've been burning a lot of these Princos, testing both them and the 16X DVD burner I picked up at Staples yesterday for $40, and I haven't had any problems. Maybe I'm just getting lucky, or maybe Princo is making them better than they used to.


or maybe you have had them on the shelve for less then a couple of years...check back after 5yrs or so
 

n7

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Originally posted by: LED
Originally posted by: Adam8281
I've been burning a lot of these Princos, testing both them and the 16X DVD burner I picked up at Staples yesterday for $40, and I haven't had any problems. Maybe I'm just getting lucky, or maybe Princo is making them better than they used to.


or maybe you have had them on the shelve for less then a couple of years...check back after 5yrs or so


This man speaks teh truth.

What people don't get is that even cheap media will usually burn great.
That's not the issue.
The problem is the fact that those cheap medias will not play after 2-5 yrs., or maybe even less.

If you don't care about longevity, then enjoy your cheap media [while it lasts].
If you want to play what's on those DVDs 5 yrs. from now...go buy some Taiyo Yudens from rima.com
 

Adam8281

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Here's a great resource as far as media ID and brand information.


Well, info on this page says that DVDs will/cannot lose data over time. He seems to be saying that that is a myth, is he wrong? The page says:

"Gradual data loss. Also known as "disc fade" and "laser rot", this is actually not very possible due to th emechanics of DVD recordable media. Terms like "disc fade" and "laser rot" only apply to pressed media, which are altogether different from recordable media in structure and physical/chemical properties. These theories are still widely argued, and applied only to the corrosion of the metal discs. The only feasible explanation for burned media "rotting" would be a breaking of the vacuum enclusure of the disc, allowing air and mooisture to permeate the metal and dye. But such chain reaction would occur fairly quickly, not at a gradual pace of months. simple explnation: The likely reason people face "disc rot" is that they simply did not check th emedia when it was first burned. Or the player/reader is now dirty, and not related to the disc at all."

 

n7

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It's a rather hotly argued subject.

I feel they really will deteriorate over time, as do many others, but many also believe they will not.

The problem is, DVD-/+Rs have not been around long enough to prove either theory right or wrong.

 

kindest

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do not trust what dvd indefifier says either
GQ media says Ritek G04 on it but its just a stolen ID.

i wouldnt buy no name crap and store anything id want down the road on it.
 

LED

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Adam8281...if it was an electronic piece I may tend to agree to some degree but a wear n tear part nadda and the way I read But such chain reaction would occur fairly quickly, not at a gradual pace of months. doesn't mention when rather it just happens in sequence which is the authors opinion not mine!
 

Zepper

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I don't think CMC is 4th class media. You will find their media under top-shelf brand names (Imation, et al.) that wouldn't risk their rep on total garbage. Unfortunately CMC also sell plates that they consider "worn out" to less scrupulous media makers that continue to use them - thus producing sub-standard end product. Unfortunately there is no easy way for CMC to remove their name from the plates once they are created. Perhaps in the interest of saving/rescuing their rep, CMC will discontinue the practice.
.bh.
 

VirtualLarry

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You might be rather surprised, at how slow chemical changes (decomposition) can take place. This may not apply directly to this case, but once upon a time, I had an fishing lure, made of some sort of soft plastic, and I stored it in one of those plastic 35mm film-roll cans. Well, I discovered it hidden in a desk drawer, rather some years later, and was quite surprised. The lure, itself mostly undamaged, had managed to actually "eat" its way though the film cannister, part-way. Almost like something warm melting a block of ice - except this must have occurred over the span of literally years. So the rate of chemical decomposition of some materials can happen over a wide variety of time scales.

I have had CMC-made K-Hypermedia CD-Rs "fade" over a span of about a year before. First time that I had ever seen a long-term failure of a properly-burned piece of media. One more reason to avoid using CMC media for any long-term storage needs. I also have some Ritek 6x-rated Cyanine CD-Rs, that when read in a modern high-speed drive, generate a whole host of C2 errors. Slowing down the read speed to 4x, I can get by with something like an average of 200 C1 errors. But considering the quality of the media in the first place, it's hard to argue that those degraded. If anything, they've held up decently for crap-quality media. The problem is that the top silver layer tends to just flake off on these, taking the data with it. :|

Recordable disc media's dye layer is not 100% stable, and it does degrade over time. Quality discs with good-quality dye, have a decay curve that should allow the media to be readable tens of years from now. Cheap dye will degrade to the point of unreadability in a much shorter timespace. (See prior CMC example.) It's kind of like film. Some companies make really cheap print film, that will fade/brown after only a few years, and better-quality print film will allow it to last for a very long time. But eventually, all film degrades/fades over time.
 

Hurricane Andrew

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The problem is the fact that those cheap medias will not play after 2-5 yrs., or maybe even less.
The real problem is: how many people have 5 year old recordable DVD media? That's what I thought. Right now, it's all theoretical. Do I burn most of the stuff I want to "keep" on "higher quality" media? Yes. I generally use Ritek or TY for stuff I don't have multile copies of. In a few years from now, I very well may look like a fool for spending and extra $.60 per disc for them. The point is, no one knows. Check you media often. Every couple of years, burn a new copy on a new disc. Let common sense (which ironically, isn't quite as common as it should be) be your guide.
 

Adam8281

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Well, I"ll do an an experiment and start a new thread 5 years from now to let you all know how my Seinfeld-filled Princo's are doing
 
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