Computer Freezes!

[squallypie]

http://s1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee517/squallypie/PC&#37;20Pics/ <- link to album of some pics i took.

http://patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=3&catid=34&prodgroupid=113&id=1025&type=1 <- link to the manufacturer's product page. Under specs, it says 1.7V voltage and 1600Mhz! So the memory controller on the PC wont be able to handle 1.7V at a long timespan?

 

[Kenmitch]

Ditch the memory now! If your lucky it didn't cause any internal damage to your cpu!

If possible try and exchange the memory for something within specs 1.50v or less

 

[Idontcare]

http://s1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee517/squallypie/PC%20Pics/ <- link to album of some pics i took.

http://patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=3&catid=34&prodgroupid=113&id=1025&type=1 <- link to the manufacturer's product page. Under specs, it says 1.7V voltage and 1600Mhz! So the memory controller on the PC wont be able to handle 1.7V at a long timespan?

That's way too much thermal paste!

Here's what you should be adding, and yes too much thermal paste can be just as bad for your temps as too little thermal past.

(^ note I placed an actual grain of white rice on the IHS in that photo for sake of comparison to the quanity of TIM used)

When you unmount your HSF you should be able to easily and clearly see the underlying metal of either the HSF or the IHS.

edit: one more showing the ideal amount (from testing) of TIM for my 2600K:

 

[sm625]

Does a HD6870 really idle at 62C? That's crazy... And what's with your cpu fan max rpm's. If you were running at 50K rpm's on a stock fan the damn thing would lift off. Can you verify somehow that it is spinning at somewhat normal speeds under load? Maybe its just not ramping up.

 

[slag]

@ Idontcare.

I don't want to quote your entire post, but thats too little thermal paste. There should be a thin film of thermal paste covering the top of your cpu when you take the HSF off as it is what aids in dispersion of heat to the heatsink and fan. Those bare spots between thermal goop on the cpu are not normal. I've never ever ever subscribed to the "grain of rice" theory as it just isn't enough TIM.

Others will disagree with me.

Put on 2-3 x that amount and crank down on the heatsink. What isn't needed will squish out (very minimal), and what's left is what you need. I can see the far right of your processor doesn't even have any TIM on it. Every bit helps to aid in transferrence of heat to the heatsink.

Lapping the cpu? really? pure snakeoil

 

[jacktesterson]

That's way too much thermal paste!

Here's what you should be adding, and yes too much thermal paste can be just as bad for your temps as too little thermal past.

(^ note I placed an actual grain of white rice on the IHS in that photo for sake of comparison to the quanity of TIM used)

When you unmount your HSF you should be able to easily and clearly see the underlying metal of either the HSF or the IHS.

edit: one more showing the ideal amount (from testing) of TIM for my 2600K:

This isn't going to cause anything near the temps he's getting with the amount of paste he used. I've seen much much worse.


To the OP.

First of all, ditch the ram. Ram is cheap. Sell yours on ebay and get some 1.5v stuff.

2nd of all, your temps are way too high. I'd be more concerned about that.

My i5 2500k max temps were in the 50's running OCCT @ 4.5GHz. Your 2600k is idling here.

What are the temps like in the Computer Room?

My opinion, get new Ram and a new HSF. The Corsair A70's are often on sale for $40 and will cut your temps by a third.

 

[tweakboy]

Good deal, I had a feeling it was RAM settings in the BIOS. Ya I never let the BIOS handle the memory timings and voltage,, Never not even in the old Athlon XP days,,,

your set, but your temps worry me.....

But note, if you get a huge heatsink/fan its gonna have a lot of noise. I dont know how important a silent system is for you... anyhow,, check back,, gl

 

[IntelUser2000]

@MisterMac: Mounting an HSF means inserting the 4 rubber pins into the holes on the motherboard, pushing 2 at once (diagonally) and turning the rubber screws using a screwdriver right?

The PC came with thermal paste which i cleaned off and applied once again. the thermal paste i used was Thermaltake TG2.

HSF

The Intel processor installation guide has warnings everywhere that it needs to be installed by a professional, and seeing so many problems related to just wrong HSF installation, its very true. People either decide to skim over it or merely choose not to read it at all, thinking they are perfectly capable.

Not saying you, or any other people with such problems are stupid or anything. It really helps to learn properly.

Here's the page for LGA1155 installation guide: http://www.intel.com/support/processors/corei7/sb/CS-032070.htm

Read the page throughly, then do the installation. The thing to note is if the plastic fastener broke off because of wrong installation, then you'd need to buy a new HSF.

The most common confusion seems to be not putting the fasteners in right place before installation.

-The arrow on the fastener points to counter-clockwise turning to unfasten the HSF. Now if you decide to install the HSF like that, not only it'll be loose, but you will damage the mechanism
-Check that the plastic fastener is flush with the motherboard. Check all 4 sides. If you decide to install the CPU on the motherboard before putting it into the case, you can even check the back side of the motherboard.

About the thermal paste: I've removed the HSF and CPU 2-3 times for the 2600K system on my sig, not bothering to re-apply the TIM. It seems installing the HSF properly is a priority to proper TIM application, although both are important.

Memory

I could have saved $20 and got memory that required 1.7V to work at manufacturer settings. I decided not to do it and paid a little more. Since I'm using the same memory I used for my i5-661 CPU, it was a while ago and memory was much more expensive. DDR3 at even 1.65V(the maximum the motherboard supported) wasn't so commonplace.

I'm not running the memory at its full speed, but even at full speed requiring 1.65V, it would be just at the maximum level stated by chips that use integrated memory controllers(Nehalem and later). Now, 1.65V is an absolute maximum level. You don't want to go any higher than that.

 

[squallypie]

Once again, thank you all for the replies.

@ Idontcare: Thanks for all the pictures! please check the pictures above as well. I removed the HSF and i COULD see a bit of the underlying metal on both IHS and the HSF.
I think the TIM is proper then?



@ adamthegiant: its a bit like 25-30*C in my room. Thing is my other PC doesnt go over 65*C... as for the corsair, its not very easy to find computer parts in this part of the world and even if you did find, they put soo much premium on it!

@tweakboy: i really wish the others agreed with you about the voltage
i set the voltage of the RAM back to auto. Theoretically, the bios should set it to 1.5v because thats what is in the SPD.

Can you guys suggest a software to check the voltage of the RAM? or is it the VIN1,Vin2,Vin3 on speedfan?

@IntelUser2000: thanks for the link. I did whats mentioned exactly on the installation manual but i am still with the same temperatures, the ones i had when i got the PC from the store itself

Regarding memory, thats the only model the store had so we went with it..
Its this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220544

Regarding CPU voltage, i checked the vcore on HWMonitor and Speedfan. Both reported it as 1.3v although the BIOS seemed to tell me that the voltage was 1.165v
Any thing to say on this?

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Once again, thanks alot for all the help. Even if i am not making any progress, I'm learning alot.

 

[Idontcare]

@ Idontcare.

I don't want to quote your entire post, but thats too little thermal paste. There should be a thin film of thermal paste covering the top of your cpu when you take the HSF off as it is what aids in dispersion of heat to the heatsink and fan. Those bare spots between thermal goop on the cpu are not normal. I've never ever ever subscribed to the "grain of rice" theory as it just isn't enough TIM.

Others will disagree with me.

Put on 2-3 x that amount and crank down on the heatsink. What isn't needed will squish out (very minimal), and what's left is what you need. I can see the far right of your processor doesn't even have any TIM on it. Every bit helps to aid in transferrence of heat to the heatsink.

Lapping the cpu? really? pure snakeoil

What you can't see in the photo is what I got to see with my own eyes for the many minutes I inspected the surfaces while turning it in the light and it was quite clear that those areas without excessive TIM are areas where there was effectively metal-on-metal mating with no gap.

I did tests with more and less TIM, temperatures were worse if I used too little as well as if I used too much.

There's a lengthy thread in Cases and Cooling on it. The "it'll just squish out" theory got mythbusted.

And what's with the "pure snakeoil" comment?

 

[Idontcare]

Once again, thank you all for the replies.

@ Idontcare: Thanks for all the pictures! please check the pictures above as well. I removed the HSF and i COULD see a bit of the underlying metal on both IHS and the HSF.
I think the TIM is proper then?

:thumbsup: Yep, that's what you want to see, looks good to me

 

[Inspire]

1.7v is too high for the memory. At some point you will have to find 1.5v memory. It may take time, but it has to be changed. A lot of people were mad when Nehalem came out since most DDR3 ram at the time was 1.65v and the specs were 1.5v (meaning they would have to buy new ram).

HSF yep a little bit too much. I have trouble with that myself, I keep thinking I should put more on but its really the opposite, you want to put less as long as its not too much less. Grain of rice is about right.

 

[richierich1212]

You guys seem to forget where the OP is from. lol. Of course his temps will be higher at idle. What's your VCORE?

 

[squallypie]

@richierich: Thanks for asking the VCore! its been bothering me. Even though the motherboard says 1.165v, it says 1.3v in speedfan when idle and 1.24v when under load. the voltage just decreases with the rising temperature. 1.22v was the lowest it came to.

The voltage setting is set on auto.

Does my processor like being spanked? :/

 

[VirtualLarry]

Def check to see that you have all four push pins securely pressed into place. They sometimes require a good deal of force. After that, they must be turned to lock into place, although I know a lot that position them into the locked position first, and then push them in.

Did you get a manual with your Intel CPU? It should tell you how to operate the push pins.

No, you DO NOT "turn to lock" after insertion.

The four pins, the black parts, only turn two ways, one way is to install, the other way is to remove.

BEFORE installing the heatsink, you turn them to the "install" position (the opposite of the arrow on top of them, the arrows indicate how to remove).

Then you push the white nubs through the holes, and then PUSH TO LOCK the black parts. No turning involved, UNLESS YOU WANT TO REMOVE THE HEATSINK. THEN you turn them, in the direction indicated by the arrows, with a screwdrivers.

 

[richierich1212]

Well the only thing I can suggest is to clean up your wiring and then you'll get better airflow inside your case.

 

[squallypie]

Temps are at mid 70s now with 1.21 vcore and 3.4Ghz 100&#37;.

For the past two days, the computer was running without freezes. I was happy. I took the PC to my table and connected my second monitor to it as well and switched on. Computer freezes 8 minutes after turning it on. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Should i try setting my RAM voltage to 1.6?