computer turning off during file extraction?

garytmib

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this is a new problem for me and i am at a loss. when i try to extract zipped files the extraction will begin and after about 30 secs the computer will shut down and reboot with no error messages. i have a 1 gig pIII with 256mb pc133 ram. i have norton sys works which shows my available ram at abut 135 before i start extracting, when i start my ram starts falling off to nothing then it shuts down. thanks for any help in advance.
 

Slikkster

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Just an experiment...

Make a new folder called "Temp" (without the quotes, of course)

Before you unzip, open up a Dos Prompt.

Type in (without quotes):

"Set Temp=C:\Temp"

and

"Set Tmp=C:\Temp"

This will direct your temporary files to the C:\temp folder for now. Then, try to unzip again. If still no luck, go to the next step:

Try a different unzip program. Here's "EasyZip2000", a freeware zip/unzip program:

EasyZip2000

Don't worry; it doesn't come in a zip file!
 

garytmib

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hey slikkster thanks for the info, i already extract all of my files to a temp folder on c: drive. is this method any different from what i am doing now. i was also wondering if i do not have enough ram. it always shuts down when my ram usage gets to 100%. thanks for the help. i will try the different unzip program. i have never had this problem before, but these are very large zip files.
 

corkyg

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With not enough real RAM, you need a bigger page file (swap file) or virtual memory. What do you have that set for?
 

garytmib

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hey corky-g,
i don't know what those settings are or how to change them. can you help me out on that? thanks
 

corkyg

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Generally you find Virtual Memory setting in Control Panel, System, Performance. The key words are Virtual Memory. That is for 98X. In XP, you go to Start, Control Panel, System, Hardware, Advanced and click on the button that has Virtual Memory to see and review or change the settings.

It also might be that you do not have enough free HDD space to allow the necessary virtual memory (page file or swap file) to be formed. In that case, with a shortage of both real and virtual RAM, the system will strangle on a large file.
 

garytmib

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thanks for all the help corky-g. i don't think hard drive space is an issue, i have about ten gigs left. what value would you reccomd the virtual memory should be set to.

thanks again
 

corkyg

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In your case at least 3XRAM . . . but probably let Windows manage it. 10 gigs seems OK . . . but it really depends of the drive size. In the old non-bloat days, 10% of the HDD size as free space was good . . . today I would want at least 25% free.
 

bleuiko

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It could be bad RAM instead of not enough RAM... my old computer did that when I had bad RAM in it... when all the RAM are used to extract stuff it would restart itself... try replacing the RAM or simply try extracting using one stick in the mobo at a time... then you will know which RAM stick is bad
 

Slikkster

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Instead of waiting for this reply or that reply, please try the other unzip program and setting a different temp folder. You have to experiment, man.

As for the virtual memory, since he didn't know where to find the settings, it's obvious (or so would seem) that it's set at the default...as in "Let Windows Manage Virtual Memory". He could try deleting the "win386.swp" file (your virtual memory swap file, which might be fragmented) from dos and let it be recreated during the next boot (which it will).
 

garytmib

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thanks for all the help,

i tried the new temp folder setup and it didn't help. i then set my virtual memory setting to 768mb, which was the max allowed. it seems to have solved my problem. are there any drawbacks to setting this to a higher value? once again thanks to everyone for your input. this is a great place for great help and info.
 

Slikkster

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The biggest drawback is that Windows will create a file called "win386.swp" in your C:\ folder that's 768 megabytes of size. However, since it's now a fixed size, it has less chance of becoming fragmented as it probably was when it was dynamically sized by Windows.

When Windows was managing your Virtual Memory by sizing and resizing on-the-fly, chances are good that part of the win386.swp file was located on one section of the hard drive, while other parts of the same file might have been scattered around the rest of the drive. That's fragmentation, and that slows access. It can also cause other problems, not unlike what you experienced.

Personally, I'd try lower settings on the Virtual Memory to save yourself some disk space. Try setting Minimum and Maximum to 512mb vs. 768. This will set a fixed file size lf 512mb.

Defragmenting the drive first, before creating the new Win386.swp file, is always a good idea.

One caveat: I wouldn't believe anyone who told you they absolutely know the best/optimal Virtual Memory size. There's a lot of variables involved; how many programs you have open at one time, etc.
It's a lot of trial and error.

One thing you can definitely do to improve performance is this: If you have more than one hard drive in your system, go to your Virtual Memory settings and point the Swap File to the second hard drive; the one WITHOUT Windows on it. This will improve performance, as your Windows drive can do other things while the drive with the swap file can do concurrent operations.
 

garytmib

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thanks again slikkster i really do appreciate you guys taking the time to help others who are not as knowledgable. i hope i will be able to help someone in the future. thanks again
 
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