Concealed-carry shooter in Albuquerque saves woman

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: DonVito
I have a hard time taking seriously any argument that this guy wasn't justified in using his pistol, or that his shooting the assailant here didn't help the stabbing victim - it sounds like it may well have saved her life.

In the main, the nonbiased studies on implementation of liberal concealed-carry laws (not that there are many nonbiased studies on such a polarizing issue) seem to indicate little net gain or reduction in crime, although I suppose there's a significant amount of positive and negative behavior done by CCW permit holders that goes unreported.

I like guns and own them, but have never had much interest in carrying - it seems to me the liabilities outweigh the benefits for the most part. Actually, I recall a contributing member of the Glock Talk bulletin board, which I used to frequent quite often, was killed when he tried to use his legal concealed pistol against a liquor-store robber.

I was thinking he was too hasty in using his gun, but now that I think about it, I think my initial reaction was the wrong one.

If there were as many trained psychiatrists as there are guns and they were as easily available and popular they could save many more lives than guns. Every time you felt like stabbing your wife you could collapse on the couch and start wailing about your Mommy.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: azazyel
shooting range? or do you prefer live targets?

One of the primary purposes of a firearm is to protect the lives of people. Apparently a knife isn't "dangerous" enough to use one, according to the liberals. So what is? If the madman has an assault rifle? A bomb? A chainsaw?

Stop with the stupid "Liberal" generalizations.

 

[BMGSkulk]

If there were as many trained psychiatrists as there are guns and they were as easily available and popular they could save many more lives than guns. Every time you felt like stabbing your wife you could collapse on the couch and start wailing about your Mommy.

:laugh: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm gonna save that one for a sarcastic solution for the next gun debate I come across.

Great stuff...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Zebo
They run stories like this every month in the NRA publications I get. Happens all the time but the mainstream media rarly reports it. Liberal media? No statist media, corporate media who's goal in disarming us so we can really be a victim to whatever statist plans they have for us..conscription..taxed to obivian...personal monitoring etc. Nothing more I dispise poltically than a gun grabber who would take someones ultimate right away, the right to self-defense.

One problem with taking the "law into your own hands" like this though is statist DA's, statist cops and statist judges will make sure you are at least open for civil liability which could bankrupt you and at worst try you for murder 2. I rarley Carry Concealed for this very reason unless camping/vactioning in an unknown local or road trip.

This is a bit of a bizarre rant IMO. Cops and DAs, "statist" or not, have nothing whatsoever to do with the imposition of civil liability, and judges have only a finite role. Your beef is with legislators, but keep in mind that these concepts are nothing new, and largely originate from English common law.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey man, nice shot!:thumbsup:

 

[irie]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: irie

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

I's like to see your sources for those numbers. Last I checked, New York, which has highly restrictive gun laws, was the safest large city in the United States. OTOH, when I lived in Norman, Oklahoma (Oklahoma has a "shall issue" CCW law) for two years, I was personally the victim of more crime than I had experienced in the rest of my life put together.

Even if you're correct, you're presuming a cause-and-effect that may not be supported by the facts (since overall crime rates are affected by so many factors - the country as a whole, for example, has shown an overall decrease in violent crime in recent years, but it's primarily caused by the relatively fewer number of people in their late teens and early twenties, since this demographic commits the most crimes per capita).

What WOULD be meaningful would be incremental increases or decreases after the implementation of liberal CCW laws, and in my observation the data supports neither. The problem is that most of the data on this subject originates from NRA or from anti-gun lobbying organizations, both of whom have incentives to cook the books.

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: azazyel
shooting range? or do you prefer live targets?

One of the primary purposes of a firearm is to protect the lives of people. Apparently a knife isn't "dangerous" enough to use one, according to the liberals. So what is? If the madman has an assault rifle? A bomb? A chainsaw?

you're not making any sense.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: irie

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

As soon as you can show me why coutries with complete bans on guns have super low murder and crime rates. see how this works?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

you're not making any sense.

I get what he's saying, though it is inartfully phrased. For what it's worth, this is one liberal that believes the shooter in this case was almost certainly justified (it's impossible to say concretely when all I know about the case is contained in one brief article).

 

[desy]

Yeah the primary purpose of a firearm is to kill
I think its fortunate for this woman that somebody was able to come to her aid and, no, most people aren't martial arts specialists who could snatch the knife away from the guy.

The real debat is why was this guy so violent he felt the need to try and murder his wife in broad daylight in a parking lot of all places? Japan which has no firearms also has a much lower rate of homocide. So it appears to be a cultural difference and as long as people are out there willing to do violence I'm glad there are people willing to go through all the hassle of CCW.
You never hear of a permited guy going nuts.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: irie

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

As soon as you can show me why coutries with complete bans on guns have super low murder and crime rates. see how this works?

Guns dont kill people, people do. The USA is more violent than thos countries. If you eliminated guns, the murder rate would stay the same (some would say it would go up) If you look at the murder statistics in the USA, remove all the murders that were by gun, we'd still have a much higher murder rate.

 

[irie]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: irie

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

As soon as you can show me why coutries with complete bans on guns have super low murder and crime rates. see how this works?

Sorry, but you are wrong. The crime rates in England and Austrailia, both of which have total gun bans, are growing.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Alright,
I'll came at you with a knife. Try to stop me :roll:

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, if I saw a guy stabbing his wife I knock him on the head with the nearest heavy object or just sucker punch him, not fire a hand gun in a Walmart. If the guy missed and hit the wife (or yours) I'm sure you would post the same story in support to concealed guns?

yeah right, you would run away screaming.... unless you're the idiot that brings a stick to a knife fight. Quit trolling around

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: irie

Originally posted by: Todd33
Sorry, the guy could have been stopped with any number of ways, many non-lethal. I'd fear a bunch of yahoos with concealed guns over the occasional lunatic with a knife.

Is this why cities that participate in CCW have the lowest violent crime rates? Please explain to me why cities with the most strict gun laws and bans have the highest and continually growing percentage of gun crime and violence in the nation.

As soon as you can show me why coutries with complete bans on guns have super low murder and crime rates. see how this works?

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There's been plenty of studies showing increase of murder rates after UK banned gun sales.