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Amused

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.
 

DurocShark

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky


In case anybody missed, that site is a political party site, "lancastercountydemocrats".


Vague refs to other publications, no conviction numbers, just FUD.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Spencer278
In vermont we don't have permit's so anyone can carry.

Yep, any law abiding citizen can carry a CC in Vermont. Now, who here would consider Vermont a dangerous state???
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
I have never heard of a single significant thing coming from Vermont.

Well, it is a beautiful and peaceful place to vacation. Nice place to ski on the east coast, too.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.

OK I'll play again

Your original question

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

my answer

That doesn't mean problems haven't occurred. In 2001, 180 Texans who held permits were convicted of criminal offenses,
representing one-half of 1 percent of the 35,070 total convictions statewide. The convictions included one for murder


you asked for a case, I gave you a case

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goodbye



linky to another source
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.

OK I'll play again

Your original question

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

my answer

That doesn't mean problems haven't occurred. In 2001, 180 Texans who held permits were convicted of criminal offenses,
representing one-half of 1 percent of the 35,070 total convictions statewide. The convictions included one for murder


you asked for a case, I gave you a case

Freegeeks 1 - Amused 0

goodbye



linky to another source

No, my point has been made: CC permit holders commit a far lessor % of homicides than the general population. Therefore, claiming that allowing CC permits will raise crime is a proven falicy.

You've won nothing, but my point was made. Thanks for playing.

BTW, throwing in other crimes is nice spin, but irrelevant. The claim was that allowing CC will raise the gun related murder rate. It does not. In fact, if anything, it lowers it. Every single state that passed CC on demand has seen dramatic drops in their violent crime rates.

Again, thanks for playing.
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: joshsquall
I have never heard of a single significant thing coming from Vermont.

Well, it is a beautiful and peaceful place to vacation. Nice place to ski on the east coast, too.
Don't forget the syrup.

 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.

OK I'll play again

Your original question

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

my answer

That doesn't mean problems haven't occurred. In 2001, 180 Texans who held permits were convicted of criminal offenses,
representing one-half of 1 percent of the 35,070 total convictions statewide. The convictions included one for murder


you asked for a case, I gave you a case

Freegeeks 1 - Amused 0

goodbye



linky to another source

No, my point has been made: CC permit holders commit a far lessor % of homicides than the general population. Therefore, claiming that allowing CC permits will raise crime is a proven falicy.

You've won nothing, but my point was made. Thanks for playing.

BTW, throwing in other crimes is nice spin, but irrelevant. The claim was that allowing CC will raise the gun related murder rate. It does not. In fact, if anything, it lowers it. Every single state that passed CC on demand has seen dramatic drops in their violent crime rates.

Again, thanks for playing.

dude chill,

I NEVER made a point in my 2 posts that concealed permits are bad or good. I just answered your question (and I repeat your statement again)

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

and I showed that in the whole of the USA at least one murder was commited by a person with a concealed permit
Is that so difficult to admit??????????????????????????

I just proved you wrong on a statement that YOU made

clear for you ???



 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
You're just being anal now.


no, I just want a post from Amused that basically says

Yes, Freegeeks, maybe my statement was not very well chosen. At least one murderer had a concealed permit

IMO if you make a bold statement and somebody proves you wrong you should have the balls to admit it



 

sygyzy

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.

OK I'll play again

Your original question

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

my answer

That doesn't mean problems haven't occurred. In 2001, 180 Texans who held permits were convicted of criminal offenses,
representing one-half of 1 percent of the 35,070 total convictions statewide. The convictions included one for murder


you asked for a case, I gave you a case

Freegeeks 1 - Amused 0

goodbye



linky to another source

No, my point has been made: CC permit holders commit a far lessor % of homicides than the general population. Therefore, claiming that allowing CC permits will raise crime is a proven falicy.

You've won nothing, but my point was made. Thanks for playing.

BTW, throwing in other crimes is nice spin, but irrelevant. The claim was that allowing CC will raise the gun related murder rate. It does not. In fact, if anything, it lowers it. Every single state that passed CC on demand has seen dramatic drops in their violent crime rates.

Again, thanks for playing.



Now you are putting a spin on things, aren't you? How can you prove that passing CC laws *directly* resulted in the dropping of violent crime rates? Surely, it couldn't have anythign to do with a different economical state, public welfare programs, temperature, different politics, etc that may have changed in that time as well.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot


Why for pointing out the obvious?

He pretty much hit the nail on the head, one of the many reasons we, US, have WAY more gun deaths here than any other country.



Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

In the 22 months after the Texas law went into effect, Texas Concealed Permit holders were arrested for 946 crimes, including murder/attempted murder, kidnapping, sexual assault, and drug-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center, 1998)

Texas) DPS data reveals that in the 22 month period 236 concealed handgun license holders were arrested on weapon-related offenses. (Violence Policy Center)




linky

Nice spin. Again, how many were convicted of homicide with a firearm? This time, use an unbiased source, OK? This is the democrats using anti-gun groups as their source. Can you say double shenanigans?

[edit]
Ah! Here:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/basis.htm

We see the truth. The anti-gunners have used arrests instead of convictions to inflate their numbers... and have hyped non-violent numbers by including them in the list of violent crimes.

So, in the end we have 2 convictions for murder, but mode unknown. I'd say thet's a lower % than the general population.

Like I said, nice spin, but when an unbiased source is found, we see just how much the gun grabbers will lie.

OK I'll play again

Your original question

Please post just one case in which a CC permit holder has been convicted of a homicide using a firearm.

my answer

That doesn't mean problems haven't occurred. In 2001, 180 Texans who held permits were convicted of criminal offenses,
representing one-half of 1 percent of the 35,070 total convictions statewide. The convictions included one for murder


you asked for a case, I gave you a case

Freegeeks 1 - Amused 0

goodbye



linky to another source

No, my point has been made: CC permit holders commit a far lessor % of homicides than the general population. Therefore, claiming that allowing CC permits will raise crime is a proven falicy.

You've won nothing, but my point was made. Thanks for playing.

BTW, throwing in other crimes is nice spin, but irrelevant. The claim was that allowing CC will raise the gun related murder rate. It does not. In fact, if anything, it lowers it. Every single state that passed CC on demand has seen dramatic drops in their violent crime rates.

Again, thanks for playing.



Now you are putting a spin on things, aren't you? How can you prove that passing CC laws *directly* resulted in the dropping of violent crime rates? Surely, it couldn't have anythign to do with a different economical state, public welfare programs, temperature, different politics, etc that may have changed in that time as well.

I spun nothing and I don't need to spin it. The implication was that CC permits would raise the murder rate and gun related crimes. They do not. I never claimed they lowered crime, only that crime dropped dramtically after they were passed, thus the implication that they would raise such crimes is false.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: joshsquall
You're just being anal now.


no, I just want a post from Amused that basically says

Yes, Freegeeks, maybe my statement was not very well chosen. At least one murderer had a concealed permit

IMO if you make a bold statement and somebody proves you wrong you should have the balls to admit it

I asked for one case. You provided one. I never claimed one did not exist, thus I am not wrong. I only asked that one be provided. In doing so, you exposed the fact that CC permits do NOT increase gun related crimes.

Again, thanks for playing.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: joshsquall
You're just being anal now.


no, I just want a post from Amused that basically says

Yes, Freegeeks, maybe my statement was not very well chosen. At least one murderer had a concealed permit

IMO if you make a bold statement and somebody proves you wrong you should have the balls to admit it

I asked for one case. You provided one. I never claimed one did not exist, thus I am not wrong. I only asked that one be provided. In doing so, you exposed the fact that CC permits do NOT increase gun related crimes.

Again, thanks for playing.


LOL

whatever

 

Amused

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: joshsquall
You're just being anal now.


no, I just want a post from Amused that basically says

Yes, Freegeeks, maybe my statement was not very well chosen. At least one murderer had a concealed permit

IMO if you make a bold statement and somebody proves you wrong you should have the balls to admit it

I asked for one case. You provided one. I never claimed one did not exist, thus I am not wrong. I only asked that one be provided. In doing so, you exposed the fact that CC permits do NOT increase gun related crimes.

Again, thanks for playing.


LOL

whatever

Um, OK. Fact is, my point is proven, and yours destroyed.
 

Graphicd00d

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Originally posted by: DorkBoy
Originally posted by: B00ne
Glad to live in Europe - have never even seen a gun here. Ppl carrying guns in public would scare me as hell - I guess no trip to the US for me, with so many testosterone pumping angry young man bragging about fighting (judging by the forums here) running around with guns. There sure is something wrong with your place (prolly rather the brains) when ppl want/need to run around with killing devices.
you are an idiot

What do you expect from someone who lives in a country where the govt. told them that guns are bad and guns make you do bad things.

Studies have shown that when law abiding citizens are packing the crime rate is lower.

Why?

Because a criminal doesn't want to risk getting shot when trying to rob a law abiding citizen packing heat.

 

DrPizza

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I agree.... a couple of crack houses in the neighborhood, but no one messes with my house..... could it be because they regularly see me with a shotgun with 2 boys each with a shotgun going out to the car to go target shooting (target = squirrels and rabbits in season)?
 

kaizersose

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i live in california. if you want a permit you have to:
a. hold politcal office
b. perform sexual favors for someone in group 'a'
c. be a member of the RIAA ( i think they are already part of group 'b')

i will be gettting a gun soon though. probably a Sigarms (Sig Sauer) 228 chambered for a .40 S&W. sweet.
 

Encryptic

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I got pulled over once by a female cop. She asked "Are you carrying a concealed weapon?" I replied, "No, but if you keep frisking me, I will be."
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
Originally posted by: AnyMal
i would rather get beaten senseless with a baseball bat, than have some untrained, testosterone pumping 20-something wielding a gun.
I'll be right over! Now, where's the old bat?

be careful, i'm packing!

Pack all you want. A concealed weapon's permit is a permit to carry a weapon concealed, not to draw at whim. If you draw, you've just committed "assualt with a deadly weapon." If you're going to draw, you'd better be DAMN sure that your life is in jeopardy and that the law will find you innocent for pleading self defense. You have to be DAMN careful.
 

tcsenter

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Despite having completed several basic and intermediate level handgun courses from certified instructors, I still had to take the State required 12-hour Concealed Weapons Course in Michigan before getting a permit. I found it was a good idea, not because I learned anything, but I was very glad some of my classmates had to take the course. IMO, 12 hours is probably not enough for some people. We could have filled another four hours with 'need-to-know' content, because there were people who needed to know it.

As far as Texas goes, there is no reason nor logic to support the idea that these individuals would not have committed these crimes had they not had a permit. Plenty of non-permit holders out there carrying guns and committing crimes, they seem to do pretty well without the benefit of a CHL.

Many of the firearm offenses reported do not involve the firearm permitted to be carried, but instead are violations of hunting regulations (not relevant to CHL), or are otherwise technical violations such as accidentally (often unwittingly) carrying the firearm into some prohibited area, and do not involve any act of violence or even any threat of violence.

Still others are 'crimes' of indiscretion; failing to keep the firearm completely concealed at all times. If you bend over to pick up a quarter, or getting out of your vehicle at the supermarket, and your shirt/coat temporarily rides-up exposing the firearm, some hoplophobic soccer mom who happens to catch a glimpse of the gun is probably going to become hysterical and report a 'crazy man waving a handgun around threatening to shoot the children' to 911. If the police have to respond to such a report, even if the caller grossly misinterpreted the situation, you're going to be cited for your lack of discretion.

One of the [IIRC, there have been two convictions to date] Texas CHL holders convicted of murder was charged resulting from a fatal shooting which occurred in his own home during a party. The permitted handgun was not the firearm used in the shooting.

As we all know, no state in the US requires a CHL to own and keep firearms in one's home, so this conviction is irrelevant to the fact he was a CHL holder. The man's possession of a CHL did not 'enable' or 'facilitate' the shooting in any way.
 

Evadman

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: joshsquall
You're just being anal now.


no, I just want a post from Amused that basically says

Yes, Freegeeks, maybe my statement was not very well chosen. At least one murderer had a concealed permit

IMO if you make a bold statement and somebody proves you wrong you should have the balls to admit it

I asked for one case. You provided one. I never claimed one did not exist, thus I am not wrong. I only asked that one be provided. In doing so, you exposed the fact that CC permits do NOT increase gun related crimes.

Again, thanks for playing.


LOL

whatever

Um, OK. Fact is, my point is proven, and yours destroyed.

Ya? Well my penis is bigger than yours.

Can't we all just get along? Geez. Acting like little children. Take it to the political forum.
 
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