Confirmed: al-Zarqawi was killed...

[Braznor]

Anyone who thinks the war is over is dumb,

The war has just begun on a new level.

 

[zendari]

Gloom and doom liberals are in full force.

 

[Todd33]

This is the guy they gave a pass to capturing before the invasion right? The guy they thought would help bolster support for the invasion if he was free. Glad they finally got him four years later and many of thousands of Iraqi and American deaths. Whack a mole continues, who is the next boogie man?

 

[Lazy8s]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world...ac17a01&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

picture proof of the kill. Aparently it was attack choppers that got the kill. they have pics of his dead body and used fingerprints to confirm it.

 

[QED]

LOL at some of the comments here.

The leader of Al Qaida in Iraq is killed, and it's more doom and gloom from the same suspects.

But let's just rememeber that Iraq and Al Qaeda have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Nothing at all. Zarqawi would be out tending his sheep peacefully right now in some remote desert if it weren't for us evil Americans invading Iraq.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Rockhound

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
It's hard for me to cheer anyone's death but I must admit I smiled a little this morning.

Having said that . . . what's with the US military and their morbid glee of posting the images of dead people? When it came to Saddam's troll sons, the "excuse" was to provide proof. But in this case an Al Qaeda website had already given an emesis missive about al-Zarqawi dying as a martyr.

Granted, I guess it's possible the Iraqis were responsible for the the poster board Face of Death but I'm more inclined to believe it's another "Mission Accomplished."

On a different note, I agree with other posts. It really sounds like al-Zarqawi (or at least his spiritual leader) pissed off the wrong people . . . so they served them up . . . Clear and Present Danger-style.

Maybe because you have all these retarded conspiracy theorists saying he was already dead, Bush was waiting for the right moment to spring it on us, etc. etc. Just goes to show you how utterly stupid and ridiculous these conspiracy believers are.

The conspiracies go both ways. I was listening to the local GOP propaganda radio this morning and all they could talk about is how CNN is running this video of women pulling out remains of childrens clothing and books from the rubble. Evidently the conspiracy is that before the cameras get to the scene, all these items are planted for the US media.

This same talking head is "concerned" that this type of, "planting of evidence" occured at Hadith too... :roll:

Bottom line is there is alot of partisan gold to be made out of the circumstances of today. People could do themselves a big favor and not get too happy or too angry over the death of one man. I think only time will tell if the execution of this man made any difference in the WoT. And for the record, I too smiled when I read the headlines this morning.

I hope the Iraq people have something to celebrate today, and that they use this as momentum to take back thier country.

 

[rickn]

it's about damn time

 

[ntdz]

Best news ever.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: zendari
Gloom and doom liberals are in full force.

Yeah, they sure seem to be. And now that you're here, annoying trolls have been added to the mix as well. This is bound to become an interesting thread with a lot of insightful posts now.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Rockhound
None as important as him though. He was THE leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. That's the point.

Well, he was the FACE of Al Qaeda in Iraq. But just last month the US military was making fun of al-Zarqawi's video outtakes. While I think it helps that he's gone, the benefits are probably more political/propaganda than practical. Now if the Iraqis can capitalize on it . . . more power to them. But don't be surprised if June looks a lot like May when comes to carnage and chaos.

One more thing . . . don't forget who really MADE al-Zarqawi . . . George Bush-Dick Cheney-Don Rumsfeld . . . the axis of asinine. Although the House "Spanish word for black" portrayed al-Zarqawi as the terrorist mastermind being hosted by Saddam, the truth is that al-Zarqawi was small time and scarcely noticed in Iraq under Saddam.

Bush War 2003 created a tremendous opportunity for al-Zarqawi.

So it's Bush's fault Zarqawi went around killing schoolchildren, bombing hotels and beheading people? Nice logic there...

 

[kage69]

I was hoping some Shia gang had been able to kidnap him and force feed him some of his own butcher-knife judgment, but death by massive explosion works too. I've been expecting this for the last year or so, Zarqawi liked to keep the action close and that doesn't tend to prolong your life when you've got high-tech good ol' boys hunting you. Not surprised at all if it indeed turns out he was 'friendly fuck3d' by his AQ accomplices. Religious fundies eat their own when they don't stringently adhere to the party line, it works that way the world over.

Regardless, even though it's good news it's still somewhat a Phirric victory. Zarqawi is not OBL, and will be replaced by someone else eventually. The terror cycle will continue, as we've no intention to stop feeding it anytime soon. Agendas need boogeymen.

So we finally remedied part of a mess that we created, well good, taking responsibility for our mistakes (you listening W?) will help us repair our image abroad. Now if we can just get around to bringing a certain 7ft Arab to justice...


And now I shall raise a fine Belgian white and toast that motherfuck3r getting his due, and hope this doesn't precipitate a wave of retribution on our boys and innocent Iraqis. :thumbsup:

 

[Rudee]

Originally posted by: Braznor
Yay!!!!

Deep fry the fvcker's corpse in swine fat and feed it to the dogs.

:thumbsup:

 

[Braznor]

Originally posted by: zendari
Gloom and doom liberals are in full force.

I'am with you. But it would be naive to assume that others would not take his place.

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Rockhound
None as important as him though. He was THE leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. That's the point.

Well, he was the FACE of Al Qaeda in Iraq. But just last month the US military was making fun of al-Zarqawi's video outtakes. While I think it helps that he's gone, the benefits are probably more political/propaganda than practical. Now if the Iraqis can capitalize on it . . . more power to them. But don't be surprised if June looks a lot like May when comes to carnage and chaos.

One more thing . . . don't forget who really MADE al-Zarqawi . . . George Bush-Dick Cheney-Don Rumsfeld . . . the axis of asinine. Although the House "Spanish word for black" portrayed al-Zarqawi as the terrorist mastermind being hosted by Saddam, the truth is that al-Zarqawi was small time and scarcely noticed in Iraq under Saddam.

Bush War 2003 created a tremendous opportunity for al-Zarqawi.

So it's Bush's fault Zarqawi went around killing schoolchildren, bombing hotels and beheading people? Nice logic there...

Of course it is!! The same way it was Bush's fault that 9-11 happened! And Bush's fault why everything else bad has happened, is happening, or every will happen!

Is there like some secret, special weed I have to smoke to destroy my brain and become a Lib, because I just don?t get it... :disgust:

The only muscle Libs know how to use is their finger (not their brain)... and all it does is point at bush when ANYTHING good or bad happens.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Lazy8s
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/world...ac17a01&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

picture proof of the kill. Aparently it was attack choppers that got the kill. they have pics of his dead body and used fingerprints to confirm it.

From your article:

A framed image of Mr. Zarqawi's face after he was killed was displayed at the briefing,
as was an aerial video of the two air strikes by F-16 jets, which dropped 500-pound bombs.

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Pop! goes the Weasel

Rahman "was the spiritual adviser to Zarqawi," Caldwell said. "He was brought to our attention by somebody
from within the network of Zarqawi's. For operational reasons, I probably can't specify exactly when."

 

[kage69]

So it's Bush's fault Zarqawi went around killing schoolchildren, bombing hotels and beheading people? Nice logic there...

Do us all a favor, avoid mentioning 'logic' in your posts, there's enough humorous material in here to distract us all as it is. While you're at it, you might want to read up on a concept known as 'cause and effect.'

Bush shares the blame, but that doesn't excuse Zarqawi from committing such deeds. Would he been able to go on such a rampage had Bush not been stupid enough to be led into this expensive clusterfvck by Rumsfeld and Cheney? (Thereby creating the environment for terror to thrive in?)

Hell even King Abdullah of Jordan deserves some blame. If he hadn't pardoned Zarqawi and released him from prison we might have had an easier fish to fry once the sh!t started to hit the fan.

 

[kage69]

Is there like some secret, special weed I have to smoke to destroy my brain and become a Lib, because I just don?t get it...

Going on your assinine and pointless invective, I'm willing to bet there's quite a lot you don't get. I know you're probably thrilled right now what with middle school being out for the summer, but please, get a fuggin clue.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: Braznor

Originally posted by: zendari
Gloom and doom liberals are in full force.

I'am with you. But it would be naive to assume that others would not take his place.

That's half the fun though. It's like finding the present you want under the tree. Now you get to search for the next one!


...sarcasm by the way before I get labled and flamed

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: MathMan
LOL at some of the comments here.

The leader of Al Qaida in Iraq is killed, and it's more doom and gloom from the same suspects.

But let's just rememeber that Iraq and Al Qaeda have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Nothing at all. Zarqawi would be out tending his sheep peacefully right now in some remote desert if it weren't for us evil Americans invading Iraq.

LOL at your comment. Please tell me that they have a lot in common when articles are saying:

Several sources say he quickly disagreed with bin Laden and moved on to establish himself as somewhat of a 'nationless freelance terrorist,' as the Council on Foreign Relations referred to him.

and

Part of Zarqawi`s myth may be attributed to a speech given in 2003 by then Secretary of State Colin Powell to the U.N. Security Council in trying to justify the war in Iraq. Powel claimed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was, in his very person, the link between Iraq`s Baathist regime and Osama bin Laden`s al-Qaida network. Powell added that this was proof that Iraq harbored a terrorist network, and mandated preemptive military action against the country.

While the accusation was later proved wrong, it served to propel Zarqawi into the spotlight of international terrorism.

and

Zarqawi`s main point of contention with al-Qaida, according to multiple reports, was over bin Laden`s insistence on targeting the United States. Zarqawi wanted to focus the fight against Israel, Jews in general, and Jordan.

Link

While he was trained by Al Qaida, that does not make him a follower. So I give you a cookie and a pat on the back on the nice try to keep the 9/11-Al Qaida-Iraq connection alive.

As far as the doom and gloom, what do you expect? Every time we capture or kill one of these guys we are told it is a turning point but it ends up being a turning point of more violence and chaos. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Short of killing everyone (men, women, and children) we will never win unless we change the hearts and minds of the civilians. We are in a war against an idea and we are fighting it with bullets and bombs.

I think it is good that we killed this guy it will at least cause some chaos in the terrorist world, but someone will take his place and that person may have different ideas of how to fight this jihad, and their tactics might take the fight away from Iraq and place it back to the USA (which is what Bin Laden wants), which we all can agree would be worse.

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: kage69
While you're at it, you might want to read up on a concept known as 'cause and effect.'

Sadly, it seems like a lot of people either forgot or never learned this concept to begin with.

 

[Starbuck1975]

His death matters how?

His death matters because he has managed to elude capture for quite some time, and has been the figurehead of Al Quaida operations in Iraq.

That we were able to gather intelligence on his location means that we are gaining leverage on Al Quaida in terms of our ability to monitor and target their leadership. This is no small development, and signifies that we are infiltrating their operations through tips and leads perhaps from the Iraqi people themselves.

I won't be so optimistic as to label this a turning point...nor does it mean that the violence will stop in Iraq.

It is one of many indicators that Al Quaida is not winning this war any more then we are...it is just a question of who has the greater resolve.

Many people have said Zarqawi is one of many hydras...that much is true...but there is not an infinite pool of hydras, and we will reach a point where attrition of Al Quaida leadership will make them an ineffective nuisance as opposed to a viable threat.

 

[mcvickj]

From CNN....

"A painstaking, weeks-long intelligence operation, acting on tips from Iraqis and his own network, led to the U.S. airstrike that killed "al Qaeda in Iraq" leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the military said today."

If this was so painstaking why in the hell didn't they capture this guy? Gift wrapping two 500lb bombs sure doesn't gain the US anything. Other than to say he is dead and parade his face around every media outlet known to man.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975


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Many people have said Zarqawi is one of many hydras...that much is true...but there is not an infinite pool of hydras, and we will reach a point where attrition of Al Quaida leadership will make them an ineffective nuisance as opposed to a viable threat.

A war of attrition is not something we want to continue with religious extremists who think they are doing God's work by killing infidels. The way to win is not to let them run out of people willing to blow them selves up, we win by making it so people DON'T want to.

 

[spidey07]

This is great news for sure.

I wonder how long it is going to take the media to somehow twist this into a bad thing.

I bet very soon the media will start asking "how many people were tortured to get this information and where were they detained?"

 

[acole1]

Originally posted by: kage69

Is there like some secret, special weed I have to smoke to destroy my brain and become a Lib, because I just don?t get it...

Going on your assinine and pointless invective, I'm willing to bet there's quite a lot you don't get. I know you're probably thrilled right now what with middle school being out for the summer, but please, get a fuggin clue.

Whoa, nice personal attack I'll remember that one when I go back to middle school in the fall. Wait, I don't even remember middle school ... those must have been a long 2 weeks that just passed. Also, you misspelled asinine. :disgust: Do we need to go back to school and learn some more of that there spelling?

What I don't get is how so many things can be blamed on one man. You all give him far too much credit regarding what he can, and can't do as president.

If we were going to follow the cause and effect idea (i.e. that Bush in one way or another inadvertently caused everything he is being blamed for), then every single one of us can be blamed to an equal extent! There is no country without us is there? No president without citizens? Oh yes, we are here to live and make money, like an old lady sitting in a nursing home complaining about how bad the food is.... Be thankful you have food!


This might be what is happening in this country these days, though. Some people feel guilty for supporting this government in the past, and they don't want to admit they were wrong, so someone must be blamed. Lets blame someone high-profile! Oh yes, Bush works! We don't really like him anyways, and it is easy to connect him to everything since he is the president.

So, now we have millions of people jumping on this bandwagon, which was started by the far left, and joined by those above. (Please don't tell me you are so naive as to think people are not influenced by public opinion, and there is no such thing as the bandwagon effect.)

They think - "Well my neighbor doesn't like Bush, and most of my other friends don't, and the popular media sure doesn't, so why should I.... Well, I guess I can see their point (if I turn a blind eye to really thinking through the issues)." And on and on it goes. You have a few people who truly believe what they are saying, and others who just jump on the BBB (Bush Bashing Bandwagon).

Welcome to the world in which we live today. Here, in America, we can disrespect anyone we want, anytime we want, any way we want!

Long live freedom of speech. (No, seriously!) :thumbsup: