Confirmed: al-Zarqawi was killed...

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: RMich
During the Vietnam War, Senator George Aiken famously suggested we should simply declare victory and pull out.

If Bush was quick-witted, perhaps he'd use Zargawi's death as an occasion to do so. I am not holding my breath. We are engaged in building some pretty extensive and long lasting military bases in Iraq. Somebody expects us to have a military presence there for a long time.

IMO that was probably planned before the invasion

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: astrocase
Comments in the liberal media tommorrow: "Who cares!? Where's OBL?"

You are a STRIKEsheepSTRIKE troll.. The death of one man will not stop terrorism. Sure it's good, but it doesn't fix the horrible situation in Iraq or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
It's hard for me to cheer anyone's death but I must admit I smiled a little this morning.

Having said that . . . what's with the US military and their morbid glee of posting the images of dead people? When it came to Saddam's troll sons, the "excuse" was to provide proof. But in this case an Al Qaeda website had already given an emesis missive about al-Zarqawi dying as a martyr.

Granted, I guess it's possible the Iraqis were responsible for the the poster board Face of Death but I'm more inclined to believe it's another "Mission Accomplished."

On a different note, I agree with other posts. It really sounds like al-Zarqawi (or at least his spiritual leader) pissed off the wrong people . . . so they served them up . . . Clear and Present Danger-style.

It's a propaganda effort too, as well as absolutely necessary for proof. Even on this forum populated largely by US/westerners, you'd have all kinds of people saying it as BS otherwise

 

[OCNewbie]

Originally posted by: ECUHITMAN
We are in a war against an idea and we are fighting it with bullets and bombs.

Nice quote, I think it's at least partially true, unfortunately.

 

[DidlySquat]

Astrocase == nutcase

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: MathMan
LOL at some of the comments here.

The leader of Al Qaida in Iraq is killed, and it's more doom and gloom from the same suspects.

But let's just rememeber that Iraq and Al Qaeda have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Nothing at all. Zarqawi would be out tending his sheep peacefully right now in some remote desert if it weren't for us evil Americans invading Iraq.

Nobody is claiming that Iraq and Al-Queda have nothing to do with each other now. What people know is that pre-invasion of Iraq they certainly did not.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
It's hard for me to cheer anyone's death but I must admit I smiled a little this morning.

Having said that . . . what's with the US military and their morbid glee of posting the images of dead people? When it came to Saddam's troll sons, the "excuse" was to provide proof. But in this case an Al Qaeda website had already given an emesis missive about al-Zarqawi dying as a martyr.

Granted, I guess it's possible the Iraqis were responsible for the the poster board Face of Death but I'm more inclined to believe it's another "Mission Accomplished."

On a different note, I agree with other posts. It really sounds like al-Zarqawi (or at least his spiritual leader) pissed off the wrong people . . . so they served them up . . . Clear and Present Danger-style.

It's a propaganda effort too, as well as absolutely necessary for proof. Even on this forum populated largely by US/westerners, you'd have all kinds of people saying it as BS otherwise

1) I'm not sure how many "hearts and minds" you win with that picture

2) al-Zarqawi loyalists are probably more pissed that he's dead than pissed at a pic

3) If you take the quite reasonable theory . . . that he was ratted out (intentionally NOT Gitmo-style) . . . the NEW Al Qaeda leadership in Iraq might use it to say, "see what happens when you step out of line . . . "

4) Al Qaeda (in Iraq) announced al-Zarqawi's "martyrdom":thumbsup: quite quickly. But the crackpot Coalition had poster board ready to roll anyway.

In essence, it was virtually all propaganda and NOT needed as proof. But per norm, there aren't many deep thinkers at DOD . . . I bet State wasn't consulted.

Will it pump up Iraqi Security forces (the ones that weren't working for him) . . . sure.
Will it pump up US troops . . . hope so.
Will it pump up Bush's approval ratings . . . he hopes so.

The problem is all of those benefits will be fleeting . . . those images will last forever.

Again, maybe the Iraqis just did it and the US was scarcely consulted. But what do you think . . . ? Exactly!

 

[Buck Armstrong]

YEE-HA! I don't like Sheriff Bush and he's made a disastrous mess of the war in Iraq, but this is unadulterated good news. I've been waiting for somebody to kill this savage...my only regret is that they didn't saw his fvcking head off on live TV like he's done to so many others.

So for everyone here whos trying to nay-say or minimize this event for purely polticial reasons, I say shut the fvck up you shameless party whores. You can applaud the death of this fanatic without admitting you like Bush or his preschool policies.

 

[james88]

cool, another mass murderer kicks the bucket.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Our back slapping can wait until the country of Iraq is back in the people's hands and not in the hands of terrorists and thugs.

I find it interesting that the Bush Administration has not been playing this up at all...there has been no talk of turning points or victory speeches...Rumsfelds statement from Belgium was quite neutral in terms of being celebratory...perhaps a change in rhetorical strategery?

 

[musicc]

Let's hope that they will not retaliate.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Our back slapping can wait until the country of Iraq is back in the people's hands and not in the hands of terrorists and thugs.

I find it interesting that the Bush Administration has not been playing this up at all...there has been no talk of turning points or victory speeches...Rumsfelds statement from Belgium was quite neutral in terms of being celebratory...perhaps a change in rhetorical strategery?

Lets hope so. Like I said before, let the Iraq military and intelligence services take all the credit they possibly can. There is a REAL benefit in that as opposed to the political benefit so many of the folks here in the states are trying to claim.

Let's hope our administration has the awareness to play the role of the stoic and determined force, and not breakout the party hats. There is a loooong way to go.

edit sp.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: kage69

Zarqawi was a known terrorist BEFORE the Iraq war, so I don't see how it could possibly be Bush that somehow turned him into a terrorist. To say it's Bush's fault because some psycho religious freak gets a hard on from killing innocent people is idiotic.

No one said Bush turned Zarqawi into a terrorist, likewise no one is arguing his chosen occupation pre-invasion. Clear it up any?

He wasn't a law abiding citizen, hence his prison term in Jordan, the point is he didn't have his own terrorist playground nextdoor prior to the Iraq invasion. Do you really want to compare the number of lives Zarqawi is responsible for taking on a pre/post invasion basis?

This is like a sheep farmer bitching about coyotes, digging them a den 50ft from his grazing field, and then bitching about the toll they exact on his flock. Only the coyotes take all the blame.

coyotes deserve a few sheep now and then, it is an insult to coyotes to compare them to Zarcowie.

Bush may be responsible for the current situation in Iraq, whatever it is, but Zarcowie is responsible for Zarcowie and I cetrainly don't blame Bush for what Zarcowie did with his life.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: ntdz
Best news ever.

close.

Bin Laden needs to meet his maker too.

My God people are Tards. They're hailing Bush as the Hero for killing this guy.

I ask them what about Bin Laden and they say, who?

They swear Al-Zarqawi is the leader of Al Qaida that ordered the 9-11 attacks.

Amazing to see brainwashing work so well in action but so sad

Who hailed bush as a hero? The people you're calling tards are your kind for spreading outright lies.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
It's hard for me to cheer anyone's death but I must admit I smiled a little this morning.

Having said that . . . what's with the US military and their morbid glee of posting the images of dead people? When it came to Saddam's troll sons, the "excuse" was to provide proof. But in this case an Al Qaeda website had already given an emesis missive about al-Zarqawi dying as a martyr.

Granted, I guess it's possible the Iraqis were responsible for the the poster board Face of Death but I'm more inclined to believe it's another "Mission Accomplished."

On a different note, I agree with other posts. It really sounds like al-Zarqawi (or at least his spiritual leader) pissed off the wrong people . . . so they served them up . . . Clear and Present Danger-style.

It's a propaganda effort too, as well as absolutely necessary for proof. Even on this forum populated largely by US/westerners, you'd have all kinds of people saying it as BS otherwise

1) I'm not sure how many "hearts and minds" you win with that picture

2) al-Zarqawi loyalists are probably more pissed that he's dead than pissed at a pic

3) If you take the quite reasonable theory . . . that he was ratted out (intentionally NOT Gitmo-style) . . . the NEW Al Qaeda leadership in Iraq might use it to say, "see what happens when you step out of line . . . "

4) Al Qaeda (in Iraq) announced al-Zarqawi's "martyrdom":thumbsup: quite quickly. But the crackpot Coalition had poster board ready to roll anyway.

In essence, it was virtually all propaganda and NOT needed as proof. But per norm, there aren't many deep thinkers at DOD . . . I bet State wasn't consulted.

Will it pump up Iraqi Security forces (the ones that weren't working for him) . . . sure.
Will it pump up US troops . . . hope so.
Will it pump up Bush's approval ratings . . . he hopes so.

The problem is all of those benefits will be fleeting . . . those images will last forever.

Again, maybe the Iraqis just did it and the US was scarcely consulted. But what do you think . . . ? Exactly!

Quoted for posterity. Wow what a moron.... even when raising the question "Will it pump up Bush's approval ratings" he doesn't give an answer just states the obvious that Bush hopes so.

 

[fishface313]

video(of bombing) and pictures on ogrish of this dead scumbag...

 

[umbrella39]

Good, they got him. Unfortunately, there is a never ending supply of bearded Iraqis to take his place. I am pretty sure people that are willing to commit suicide to take out their enemy will not be terribly affected by this news. I was hoping they would capture him instead but this is just as well.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Good, they got him. Unfortunately, there is a never ending supply of bearded Iraqis to take his place. I am pretty sure people that are willing to commit suicide to take out their enemy will not be terribly affected by this news. I was hoping they would capture him instead but this is just as well.

It's not the people who are willing to commit suicide, it's the people who would order them to do so...

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I've read a couple of articles regarding this where it was mentioned that some in his own organization informed on him. Does this mean that Al Qaeda wanted to get rid of him or that there were double agents in his group. It would be good news if it was the latter.

OBL did send a letter to Zarqawi after he bombed the hotel in Jordan killing a lot of people telling him that killing muslims was bad.

i bet OBL had a role in this and had the USAF snuff him out.

momma always said, DONT SMOKE CRACK

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Very good news.

This will almost certainly have an demoralizing effect on the foreign terrorists in Iraq but one wonders if it will also weaken the resolve of the Iraqi insurgents?

 

[kage69]

coyotes deserve a few sheep now and then

You obviously don't raise livestock. If you're being literal, well you're entitled to that no matter how irrelevent or silly it sounds - but if you're replying in the same spirit of the analogy I presented, then you're saying that terrorists deserve to kill now and then. To borrow a phrase from OB, "I think you should just stay out of the conversation..it is obviously way over your comprehension."

Bush may be responsible for the current situation in Iraq, whatever it is, but Zarcowie is responsible for Zarcowie and I cetrainly don't blame Bush for what Zarcowie did with his life.

First of all, it's Zarqawi. You can't even observe the correct spelling of the subject from the thread's own title, yet you want to sound off on the issue like you know what your talking about? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: <---- *Get used to that reaction.*

 

[Powermoloch]

seen his dead face today on the news. He's sure good as dead.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
seen his dead face today on the news. He's sure good as dead.

better than your head which is covered with a paper bag

 

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
seen his dead face today on the news. He's sure good as dead.

better than your head which is covered with a paper bag

very constructive . What paper bag ?

 

[Jadow]

I think this is a major turning point in Iraq, today, the day Zarcrappi died, the Iraqi PM named the rest of his cabinet, including very prominent Sunni to the post of Defense Minister.

There's already talks of foreign insurgents heading for home, and with the Sunni's getting on board the government in a big way, they've got to start realizing that the political process is the path to take.

Hopefully they will.