Confirmed: AMD will delay BD launch again now to Oct. 2011

[dma0991]

X-Bit - delayed, mid October
Anand - delayed, TBA
Fudzilla - not delayed, 19th Sept
VR-Zone - not delayed, announcement 17th Sept

So who is telling the truth? :hmm:

 

[Nemesis 1]

You're serious? You think that an 8c BD wont o/c to 4.5ghz at least with 30$ AIR coolers and not be a 300$ darling chip with LN2 extreme overclockers at the same time?

Were do you come up with this crap. You said BD on gas would overclock higher than SB . I kinda sorta agreed but said big deal . Now you come with overclocked BD 8 cores and 4.5ghz . Lets just say This is going to be interesting . If the 4 core is 125 . an 8 core isn't going to overclock all 8 cores that high not even close . We were talking about the 4 core model

 

[grimpr]

Were do you come up with this crap. You said BD on gas would overclock higher than SB . I kinda sorta agreed but said big deal . Now you come with overclocked BD 8 cores and 4.5ghz . Lets just say This is going to be interesting . If the 4 core is 125 . an 8 core isn't going to overclock all 8 cores that high not even close . We were talking about the 4 core model

Bookmarked, thank you very much, see you in a month.

 

[ViRGE]

X-Bit - delayed, mid October
Anand - delayed, TBA
Fudzilla - not delayed, 19th Sept
VR-Zone - not delayed, announcement 17th Sept

So who is telling the truth? :hmm:

Always bet on Anand.

 

[Nemesis 1]

You say it will be a month . Ya want to make a wager?

 

[Ancalagon44]

This shit is hilarious. Its like one of those old comedy programs with a canned laughter soundtrack. Cue Fumbles the engineer tripping over a banana peel and dropping the only BD engineering sample into molten lava. Audience laughs. Thats what I'm picturing happening at AMD right now.

Whatever... I dont care anymore. AMD has eroded all of the goodwill I had for it. My next purchase will be based solely on price/performance. if Intel is the best buy then so be it.

 

[carnage10]

This shit is hilarious. Its like one of those old comedy programs with a canned laughter soundtrack. Cue Fumbles the engineer tripping over a banana peel and dropping the only BD engineering sample into molten lava. Audience laughs. Thats what I'm picturing happening at AMD right now.

Hahaha made me lol. "Oh Oh, Spaghettio!"

 

[Absolution75]

X-Bit - delayed, mid October
Anand - delayed, TBA
Fudzilla - not delayed, 19th Sept
VR-Zone - not delayed, announcement 17th Sept

So who is telling the truth? :hmm:

Anand & XBit versus Fudzilla/VR-Zone


I don't know much about VR-Zone, but its not hard to believe Xbit/Anand over either of those two sites.

 

[OCGuy]

IF only the GPU AMD fans understood just how critical the situation is for AMD as a whole is......

This is getting worse and worse. When they have to lie on a widely distibuted slide 3 months from projected release.......ouch.

 

[tommo123]

on the plus side, if AMD go under then the lack of progress by nvidia (things'll slow down without competition) would mean my 6970 would last for much longer

 

[AtenRa]

maybe the 125w tdp 4170 is to compete with 25k no? lol make up for assumed inferior ipc...

This is the most logical conclusion.

The 4170 is meant to performance-compete with the 2500K...which would mean that it takes 4.2GHz on a Bulldozer core to match the performance of a 3.3 GHz SandyBridge core.

On such a footing, and given the TDP rating, performance/W would out the window for the 4170 compared to the 2500K.

In terms of OC'ing the 4170...the 100MHz turbo highly suggests they've already clocked all the headroom out of the product. So an OC'ed 2500K is probably gonna blow an OC'ed 4170 out of the water because the 2500K is gonna clock to 4.2GHz territory whereas the 4170 is not likely to see the 5.5GHz it needs to remain competitive (otherwise the turbo bins would presumably be a lot higher).

All just speculation of course.

A Dual BD Module (4 Cores) is much smaller and with fewer transistor logic than 4 SB cores like Intel Core i5 2500K.

BD module = ~67M Transistors @ ~19.42mm2
SB Core = ~55M Transistors @ 18,4mm2

A Dual BD Module will have ~137M Transistors @ ~38,84mm2
A four Core SB will have ~220M Transistors @ 73,6mm2

Clearly, you can’t be serious by comparing those two and coming to a conclusion that BD in general is not competitive and it takes more TDP that the competition.

Why not compare AMD FX 6100/6120 to Intel Core i5 2500K ?? Lets see

BD module = ~67M Transistors @ ~19.42mm2
SB Core = ~55M Transistors @ 18,4mm2

A Triple BD Module will have ~201M Transistors @ ~58,21mm2
A four Core SB will have ~220M Transistors @ 73,6mm2

Look that transistor density, it seams the Module design plus Gate Last has payed off.

I would say that FX-6xxx series will be very competitive against Core i5 2500K even at the same 95W TDP

 

[Rifter]

I always go price performance but its situations like this that make me lean towards the other company regardless. At some point you just have to release what you have and deal with it if it sucks.

The constant delays ontop of the socket issues(AM3+ released for one CPU launch then everything AMD releases in 2012 goes FMx, yeah great idea morons, intel isnt even that bad with sockets and they are known for short lived sockets) have really made me start thinking twice about reccomending AMD products. They really need to get a solid gameplan and stick with it for there CPU side, like there GPU division does.

Also since its pretty much a given that they are delaying to hit higher clocks you can be fairly sure the launch BD chips are going to overclock like crap as they are going to be binned very close to max speed. Since SB has MASSIVE clockspeed its not using so all intel has to do to completly blow BD out of the water is release higher clocked SB chips at the same price points its currently at and retire the old SKU's, like a 2520K and a 2620K with a few hundred Mhz more clock.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Good refresher RussianSensation. I really wish AMD could offer something competitive, but it hasn't looked good for years.

They really need to get a solid gameplan and stick with it for there CPU side, like there GPU division does.

This is very true. AMD GPUs have been fantastic the last few generations with parts available for all segments of the market with fantastic performance/price and performance/watt ratios. Their drivers have made huge strides in stability and usability. But it is incredibly sad when your company cannot make a CPU that is fast enough to run your own top end cards at their full potential in crossfire.

 

[grimpr]

You say it will be a month . Ya want to make a wager?

I didnt say anything specific, in a month from now i *assume* that will we have some more clear and real data.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

AMD got their ass kicked from 2006-2008

Same arguments I've already refuted. I said AMD wasn't competitive from 2006-2008 and you come to repeat the obvious.

 

[bridito]

So Interlagos with its BD cores is shipping... but as the title says: Where's Zambezi?

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...agos-16-core-bulldozer-cpu-but-wheres-zambezi

It would seem to my lay common sense that as the article says: Zambezi is still in the wilds of the jungle because it can't clock high enough. The server parts clock lower. But that's just an UNeducated guess on all our parts!

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

So Interlagos with its BD cores is shipping... but as the title says: Where's Zambezi?

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...agos-16-core-bulldozer-cpu-but-wheres-zambezi

It would seem to my lay common sense that as the article says: Zambezi is still in the wilds of the jungle because it can't clock high enough. The server parts clock lower. But that's just an UNeducated guess on all our parts!

Server parts from AMD have always clocked lower. The Opteron 4180, a current Six-Core, runs at 2.6GHz. It doesn't prove anything, especially when we're dealing with many-core CPUs. These Sixteen-Core CPUs should run at around 2GHz.

 

[bridito]

LOL, you're on my ignore list so it really doesn't matter if you are giving away $100 bills. Say whatever you want. Have a nice life!

Now for everyone else on this thread:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-ships-first-bulldozer-processors-2011-09-07

Many of the initial shipments have been earmarked for large custom supercomputer installations that are now underway.

So it looks like the benchys on this sucka just might be a bit difficult to get! Anyone have a buddy over at Rackforce?

We don't care about your ignore list. Stick to the subject at hand.
-ViRGE

 

[Arzachel]

Also since its pretty much a given that they are delaying to hit higher clocks you can be fairly sure the launch BD chips are going to overclock like crap as they are going to be binned very close to max speed. Since SB has MASSIVE clockspeed its not using so all intel has to do to completly blow BD out of the water is release higher clocked SB chips at the same price points its currently at and retire the old SKU's, like a 2520K and a 2620K with a few hundred Mhz more clock.

This is plain wrong.

Semiaccurate's article on GF's 32nm yields brings some light on the issue with high stock voltage on Llanos and high TDP on Bulldozer SKU's. Due to the somewhat bad yields, they have to increase the stock voltage to validate as many chips as possible. People have been undervolting Llanos down quite a bit and overclocked both the CPU and the GPU on stock volts, so I don't know how you can think that BD is going to have little overclocking headroom, when there is plenty of evidence on the contrary.

 

[BlueBlazer]

More October rumors? >> AMD Bulldozer "pre-order" info......

So, here's the current vicious rumor:

ESTIMATED availability:

Early October. Not at all a guarantee

Models / Pricing:

FX6100 X6 - $204.99
FX8120 x8 - $236.99
FX8150 x8 - $259.99

 

[Genx87]

This shit is hilarious. Its like one of those old comedy programs with a canned laughter soundtrack. Cue Fumbles the engineer tripping over a banana peel and dropping the only BD engineering sample into molten lava. Audience laughs. Thats what I'm picturing happening at AMD right now.

Whatever... I dont care anymore. AMD has eroded all of the goodwill I had for it. My next purchase will be based solely on price/performance. if Intel is the best buy then so be it.

I get a vision of AMD's HQ with everybody running around at 2x with Yakety Sax playing over and over.

 

[RussianSensation]

on the plus side, if AMD go under then the lack of progress by nvidia (things'll slow down without competition) would mean my 6970 would last for much longer

You know ATI was a standalone firm and performed much better on its own than under AMD's leadership? So good in fact that they were worth $5.4B AMD paid for them.....I bet right now AMD's CPU division is taking all the profits from the GPU division and dumping it into R&D and covering expenses. ATI didn't need AMD to be competitive with NV. If AMD goes down (unlikely), ATI could spin off once again as its own entity. Of course if BD repactures mobile and server space with BD, then in 3-4 years they can try again to beat Intel on the desktop.

I get a vision of AMD's HQ with everybody running around at 2x with Yakety Sax playing over and over.

We need MOAAAAR Ninja cores!!!

FX6100 X6 - $204.99 <6 cores vs. 4 core SB>
FX8120 x8 - $236.99 <2 more cores over FX6100 for $32 dollars? or only $20 more than a 4 core 2500k? smoking hot>
FX8150 x8 - $259.99 <8 cores priced below 4 core HT SB>

Either AMD is about to serve us a 50&#37; faster processor for less $$$, OR

 

[Janooo]

A Dual BD Module (4 Cores) is much smaller and with fewer transistor logic than 4 SB cores like Intel Core i5 2500K.

BD module = ~67M Transistors @ ~19.42mm2
SB Core = ~55M Transistors @ 18,4mm2

A Dual BD Module will have ~137M Transistors @ ~38,84mm2
A four Core SB will have ~220M Transistors @ 73,6mm2

Clearly, you can’t be serious by comparing those two and coming to a conclusion that BD in general is not competitive and it takes more TDP that the competition.

Why not compare AMD FX 6100/6120 to Intel Core i5 2500K ?? Lets see

BD module = ~67M Transistors @ ~19.42mm2
SB Core = ~55M Transistors @ 18,4mm2

A Triple BD Module will have ~201M Transistors @ ~58,21mm2
A four Core SB will have ~220M Transistors @ 73,6mm2

Look that transistor density, it seams the Module design plus Gate Last has payed off.

I would say that FX-6xxx series will be very competitive against Core i5 2500K even at the same 95W TDP

If you exclude BD L2 you should do the same for SB. 18.4mm2 -> 16.5mm2

 

[BlueBlazer]

Some info trickling out of JF-AMD comments not long ago.....

Interlagos is shipping for revenue now, launch is in Q4. We have not made any statements on the client side, do not imply anything from this.

 

[Edrick]

FX8150 x8 - $259.99 <8 cores priced below 4 core HT SB>

At that price, I may pick one up for my DC server. Unless it really sucks.