CONFIRMED Ebola case in Dallas

[piasabird]

I don't trust the government on this. A virus can mutate.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't trust the government on this. A virus can mutate.

And yet ebola hasn't in the 30 years we've known about it. Do you have a better source of information than the CDC?

 

[VtPC83]

Good thing to keep in mind is that this virus has an incubation of 3-21 days where there are no symptoms. If there are no symptoms then it can't infect someone else. This is good news because it means CDC, etc have at least 3 days to find those people who might have been in contact with the person. Then you just quarentine those people until the 21 days are over. Pretty easy, especially in a country with as many records as ours (not to get to political but I guess this is a good reason to not have undocumented people in the country).

 

[jhbball]

I don't trust the government on this. A virus can mutate.

Well, you are a fucking hick retard. So.

 

[Jaskalas]

Good thing to keep in mind is that this virus has an incubation of 3-21 days where there are no symptoms. If there are no symptoms then it can't infect someone else. This is good news because it means CDC, etc have at least 3 days to find those people who might have been in contact with the person...

He was admitted on the 28th. Time's up.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I don't trust the government on this. A virus can mutate.

If you are implying it could suddenly become airborne there's a couple things at issue.

1) An amino acid mutation could change the tropism of a virus, meaning changing it's preferred environment. It has in some experimental situations.

2) No virus has actually undergone such a mutation in nature where it suddenly went from being bloodborne or bodily fluid to a respiratory (airborne) transmittal route.

Viruses are incredibly adapted to their environment. They don't just change.

 

[IGBT]

if you like your good health..you can keep your good health.

 

[VtPC83]

He was admitted on the 28th. Time's up.

... 3 to 21 days... so technically times not up until the end of October...

 

[dmcowen674]

10-1-2019

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American Airlines lower on Ebola fear



The entire industry is lower today on confirmation of the first case of Ebola in Dallas, Texas



Investors are concerned that some tourists may blanch at the prospect of spending 20 hours sealed in an aluminum Petri dish with 300 strangers

 

[brycejones]

Investors are concerned that some tourists may blanch at the prospect of spending 20 hours sealed in an aluminum Petri dish with 300 strangers

This is a good reason for flying Air Malaysia you and the other 10 passengers can be far away from each other.

 

[Victorian Gray]

They are quickly losing containment of being able to hide the truth.

News conference just finished with Governor Perry.

This guy showed up on Sunday with symptoms and the Hospital turned him away saying he just had a low grade fever.

He then interacted with dozens of people including children.

They also admitted there are hundreds that have flown in from Liberia because Dallas has a Liberian population of at least 10,000.

The U.S. is fucked and we all know it.

This will make the 1908 Spanish Flu Pandemic look like a common cold.

 

[Fern]

And yet ebola hasn't in the 30 years we've known about it. Do you have a better source of information than the CDC?

I heard a physician/researcher discuss this on TV.

They said Ebola does mutate. I.e., it has been mutating.

They also discussed the possibility of it mutating to a stage where it can be respiratorily transmitted. They also said that as infections spread/increase the possibility of such a mutation increases. (They never put a percentage estimate on it.)

They also said that one strain of Ebola is already respiratorily transmitted. Fortunately it is a strain that primarily infects monkeys and pigs. I think they also said a few people have contracted this strain but it is basically harmless to humans (no ill effects).

Were they wrong?

Fern

 

[bshole]

I heard a physician/researcher discuss this on TV.

They said Ebola does mutate. I.e., it has been mutating.

They also discussed the possibility of it mutating to a stage where it can be respiratorily transmitted. They also said that as infections spread/increase the possibility of such a mutation increases. (They never put a percentage estimate on it.)

They also said that one strain of Ebola is already respiratorily transmitted. Fortunately it is a strain that primarily infects monkeys and pigs. I think they also said a few people have contracted this strain but it is basically harmless to humans (no ill effects).

Were they wrong?

Fern

WTF are you trying to do, start a panic or something?!

 

[fskimospy]

I heard a physician/researcher discuss this on TV.

They said Ebola does mutate. I.e., it has been mutating.

They also discussed the possibility of it mutating to a stage where it can be respiratorily transmitted. They also said that as infections spread/increase the possibility of such a mutation increases. (They never put a percentage estimate on it.)

They also said that one strain of Ebola is already respiratorily transmitted. Fortunately it is a strain that primarily infects monkeys and pigs. I think they also said a few people have contracted this strain but it is basically harmless to humans (no ill effects).

Were they wrong?

Fern

In more than a century of studying human infecting viruses we have never identified a single case in which a virus has changed its method of transmission. Nothing is impossible, but that should tell you something.

 

[Jaskalas]

In more than a century of studying human infecting viruses we have never identified a single case in which a virus has changed its method of transmission. Nothing is impossible, but that should tell you something.

That's quite a strong statement.

I'd love to hear it from the CDC director, to calm the public down. People I know are just waiting for "when it jumps" to airborne.

 

[Fern]

WTF are you trying to do, start a panic or something?!

LOL, no.

I've already listed reasons why Ebola won't be a huge problems here like it is in West africa.

Fern

 

[Fern]

In more than a century of studying human infecting viruses we have never identified a single case in which a virus has changed its method of transmission. Nothing is impossible, but that should tell you something.

Honest question: If the bolded is true how did the one strain of Ebola become repiratorily transmittable?

(Obviously I assume we started with one Ebola virus which mutated into different strains.)

Fern

 

[bauerbrazil2014]

And yet ebola hasn't in the 30 years we've known about it. Do you have a better source of information than the CDC?

Ops...

"It had accumulated more than 395 mutations between that time and June, when the researchers collected the last samples included in today's analysis.

The virus amassed 50 mutations during its first month, the researchers found."

http://www.nature.com/news/ebola-virus-mutating-rapidly-as-it-spreads-1.15777

Yes, it is mutating, maybe someday will go airborne.

 

[boomerang]

Common sense would dictate that we suspend flights into the nation from West African countries for 30 to 45 days. Perhaps 60. We've been told it wouldn't come here. We were told it was one person. Now we've been told there is possibly a second. We've also learned that 4 or 5 schoolchildren were exposed and that they went to school for at least several days this week. The point is that newer information is coming in and with every piece of it, the circle widens. Now, we have to watch the children the possibly affected children came in touch with, and so on and so on.

Yes, we've heard multiple times that it cannot be passed unless the individual is showing symptoms. If the onset of symptoms was something that happened as quickly as the snap of fingers, that would be reassuring. Onset of symptoms for every virus I've had in my lifetime appeared over the course of many hours and sometimes as long as a day. How long I had symptoms before I was starting to suspect I was coming down with something varied. The point is that there is zero reassurance of anything with the symptoms/transmittal process as we've been told. Are you OK throwing away a Kleenex for an individual at 2:00PM but not at 2:01PM? What moment in time are they able to transmit this? Who knows.

So, if we want to contain it here, we do the prudent thing and suspend travel from West African nations. It's little more than common sense.

Remember that we have the 'hope and change' crowd in charge of this and their track record to put it bluntly sucks. Let's quit hoping that people entering our country are not infected and curtail their entry into our nation and remove all doubt. Once again, common sense. It's here let's contain it here.

 

[fskimospy]

Honest question: If the bolded is true how did the one strain of Ebola become repiratorily transmittable?

(Obviously I assume we started with one Ebola virus which mutated into different strains.)

Fern

I'm not sure if that's an assumption we can make. I don't know much about viruses at all, just what I've read here. From my (very limited) understanding viruses are exceptionally specialized, however, so it seems like a lot of things would have to change in order to make such a thing happen.

So I guess I would say I have no idea! I do think the fact that we have never recorded such a thing happening, even in viruses such as AIDS, Hepatitis, etc, etc, that have infected millions upon millions upon millions is a strong case for this type of mutation being unlikely, however.

 

[xBiffx]

Nature is consistent in that it will take advantage of anything it can for the sake of survival.

The more people that the virus infects and the more environments it is allowed to be exposed to, the more chances it has to possibly change/adapt/mutate.

Mother nature is a cold hearted bitch and probability is on her side.

 

[boomerang]

Five children from not the same school but four schools.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/

From Zachary Thompson, director of Dallas County Health and Human Services:

"Let me be real frank to the Dallas County residents: The fact that we have one confirmed case, there may be another case that is a close associate with this particular patient," he said. "So this is real. There should be a concern, but it's contained to the specific family members and close friends at this moment."

From the article:

Thomas Eric Duncan had left Liberia on Sept. 19 and arrived in Dallas the following day.

On Sept. 26, he sought treatment at the hospital after becoming ill but was sent back to the northeast Dallas apartment complex where he was staying with a prescription for antibiotics. Duncan's sister, Mai Wureh, said he notified health-care workers that he was visiting from Liberia when they asked for his Social Security number and he told them he didn't have one.

Two days later, he was admitted to the hospital with more critical symptoms, after requiring an ambulance ride.

This is consistent with other reports I have read. The hospital staff were aware that he was from Liberia, it triggered no action other than to prescribe antibiotics and send him off. Yet, the situation now is completely under control and everything that needs to be done has been done.

What we have is a clusterfuck. Stop allowing more people into this nation from these countries. Quit hoping people are not going to make mistakes, quit hoping that things are being done correctly now, quit hoping that procedures are being followed. Quit hoping. Keep the circle as small as possible by not bringing more people in on airplanes that stop at airports. Common sense dictates this.

 

[Pens1566]

And yet ebola hasn't in the 30 years we've known about it. Do you have a better source of information than the CDC?

But it has. There are a 6 strains including one (Reston) that is transmissible without direct contact.

 

[Knowing]

Good thing to keep in mind is that this virus has an incubation of 3-21 days where there are no symptoms. If there are no symptoms then it can't infect someone else. This is good news because it means CDC, etc have at least 3 days to find those people who might have been in contact with the person. Then you just quarentine those people until the 21 days are over. Pretty easy, especially in a country with as many records as ours (not to get to political but I guess this is a good reason to not have undocumented people in the country).

They don't quarantine people who might be infected, they observe them for 21 days.

This seems like a silly policy to me given what's at stake.

 

[fskimospy]

They don't quarantine people who might be infected, they observe them for 21 days.

This seems like a silly policy to me given what's at stake.

Considering they aren't infectious until they have observable symptoms it seems like the most rational approach.