Conflict Free Marijuana

rudder

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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If MJ is legalized nationwide there will be no conflict MJ. The mexican cartels would switch to meth and heroin and forget the issues with smuggling bulky MJ.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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If MJ is legalized nationwide there will be no conflict MJ. The mexican cartels would switch to meth and heroin and forget the issues with smuggling bulky MJ.

The Mexican cartels already took a big hit in their pockets a while back when we started going the MMJ route. Luckily for them though the Federal Government "successfully" put a huge dent in prescription opiate abuse and pushed those a metric fuckton of those people onto heroin. The Mexican cartels who typically just dabbled in low quality black tar heroin were all to happy to cater to the huge surge in heroin demand and even started growing their own poppies and producing/exporting higher grade "white powder" heroin. The percentage of heroin that comes from Mexico has shot way the hell up since the .gov crackdown on pharmaceuticals.

So yeah, they took a hit on their pot sales but made up for it in a very big way as a consequence to the .govs crackdown on prescription opiates. Umm, good job government....

Not to mention the huge spike in heroin related overdoses because people were used to getting a drug that had a very standardized dosage/quality to something whose potency can vary by 100% (or more) from batch to batch. Street dealers are even cutting heroin with Fentanyl now which is 50 times more powerful than pharmaceutical grade heroin.

If all drugs were legalized we would put a complete and total stop to these cartels overnight. They would lose all of their profit and all of the violence related to the drug trade would vanish. I don't personally know anyone who would start smoking crack or shooting up heroin just because it was suddenly legal to. OTOH, I do know people that would like to get some help, think of all the help we could offer people if we spent even one tenth of the money saved from ending the war on drugs on treatment facilities and actual no bullshit education about drugs. The junkie who is going to rob you to pay for their habit isn't waiting around for it to become legal before turning into a junkie. Just like all the people that were hooked on prescription pain killers weren't going to automatically recover from their addiction because the .gov took away their much safer and non-cartel supplied drug of choice.
 
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maluckey

Platinum Member
Jan 31, 2003
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The Mexican cartels already took a big hit in their pockets a while back when we started going the MMJ route. Luckily for them though the Federal Government "successfully" put a huge dent in prescription opiate abuse and pushed those a metric fuckton of those people onto heroin. The Mexican cartels who typically just dabbled in low quality black tar heroin were all to happy to cater to the huge surge in heroin demand and even started growing their own poppies and producing/exporting higher grade "white powder" heroin. The percentage of heroin that comes from Mexico has shot way the hell up since the .gov crackdown on pharmaceuticals.

So yeah, they took a hit on their pot sales but made up for it in a very big way as a consequence to the .govs crackdown on prescription opiates. Umm, good job government....

Not to mention the huge spike in heroin related overdoses because people were used to getting a drug that had a very standardized dosage/quality to something whose potency can vary by 100% (or more) from batch to batch. Street dealers are even cutting heroin with Fentanyl now which is 50 times more powerful than pharmaceutical grade heroin.

If all drugs were legalized we would put a complete and total stop to these cartels overnight. They would lose all of their profit and all of the violence related to the drug trade would vanish. I don't personally know anyone who would start smoking crack or shooting up heroin just because it was suddenly legal to. OTOH, I do know people that would like to get some help, think of all the help we could offer people if we spent even one tenth of the money saved from ending the war on drugs on treatment facilities and actual no bullshit education about drugs. The junkie who is going to rob you to pay for their habit isn't waiting around for it to become legal before turning into a junkie. Just like all the people that were hooked on prescription pain killers weren't going to automatically recover from their addiction because the .gov took away their much safer and non-cartel supplied drug of choice.

Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
11,940
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Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M


Just like what happened when we ended alcohol prohibition.

Oh, wait...
 

MagnusTheBrewer

IN MEMORIAM
Jun 19, 2004
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So folks who smoke pot are addicts and "HAVE to buy the drugs?" DAREn the lion would be so proud.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
55,418
1,599
126
Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M

How will the cartels take over when I would be able to grow MJ in my closet without worrying about the cops kicking down my door and killing my dogs?

 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
68,143
10
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Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M


people said the same about Alchohol. what happened? nothing like you say..
 

master_shake_

Diamond Member
May 22, 2012
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Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M

so they will take a drug trade over that is freely available for anyone to cultivate?

is that why cauliflower was so expensive?
 

maluckey

Platinum Member
Jan 31, 2003
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people said the same about Alchohol. what happened? nothing like you say..

In fact, it has happened. How many alcoholics brew their own beer? How many heroin junkies will cultivate their own poppies. How many people grow their own tobacco for cigarettes even?

How naieve and gullible do we have to be....here, let me help you out. Even stoners are worried about corporate takeover of the cottage industry


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/vice-wars-tobacco-alcohol-rise-big-marijuana-n253801

once the money rolls in, and it will...drug wars will still be on because the cartels won't pax taxes on weed if they don't have to, and the big corporations will offshore the operations where possible, using cheap labor to drive prices below what mom and pop shops can afford.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M

So.... how exactly are the squeezing out all of the legal MJ that is now being grown in the US and their huge loss of revenue due to it? This new revenue they are making is because the Feds pushed people off of pills made and sold in the US by US pharmaceutical companies, funny I didn't see the cartel squeeze big pharma out of the trade. That would be the Federal government that did that and then, and only then, were the cartels able to swoop in and vastly increase their revenues.

I don't see the cartels squeezing out the booze or tobacco makers either.


So pretty please do tell, exactly how are the cartels going to squeeze legal US businesses out of business and then raise prices? If US pharma produced and sold all drugs at Walgreens without the need for a prescription how exactly do the cartels do all that bullshit you said they would do?
 

Howard

Lifer
Oct 14, 1999
47,982
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Quite possibly the most naïve post that I have ever seen on this forum. The OP says that the cartels will suddenly not be criminals if we legalize everything.....

Criminalism 101 says they will take over the drug trade, squeeze out EVERYONE (by force if need be), rase the prices and be richer than before. Addicts HAVE to buy the drugs, it's really not a choice, so we return to where we are, but now the cartels have MORE power.

M
LOL

I was going to refute this but... hahaha.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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In fact, it has happened. How many alcoholics brew their own beer? How many heroin junkies will cultivate their own poppies. How many people grow their own tobacco for cigarettes even?

How naieve and gullible do we have to be....here, let me help you out. Even stoners are worried about corporate takeover of the cottage industry


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/vice-wars-tobacco-alcohol-rise-big-marijuana-n253801

once the money rolls in, and it will...drug wars will still be on because the cartels won't pax taxes on weed if they don't have to, and the big corporations will offshore the operations where possible, using cheap labor to drive prices below what mom and pop shops can afford.


Yeah because legit US companies are going to get in bed with ruthless cartels that like to chop peoples heads off and the government is just going to sit back and do nothing even though the industry would then be regulated.

Seriously, how much beer do the cartels brew and illegally import into the US for illegal distribution? Or are you simply considering big business to be exactly like the Mexican drug cartels?
 

maluckey

Platinum Member
Jan 31, 2003
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Yeah because legit US companies are going to get in bed with ruthless cartels that like to chop peoples heads off and the government is just going to sit back and do nothing even though the industry would then be regulated.

Seriously, how much beer do the cartels brew and illegally import into the US for illegal distribution? Or are you simply considering big business to be exactly like the Mexican drug cartels?

Fair response I'd say.

Not get in bed with....that's gross. First as competitors, then subsidiaries.

Cartels still bring in tons of weed into weed friendly states. They still DO smuggle in liquor and just about anything that they can. They don't pay taxes on anything, and labor cost is practically free, and that makes $$$$. "Legit" weed business have taxes, employee healthcare, minimum wage etc. Not much profit I'd say. Cartels have none of that, so much higher profit. I see something like the mob transformation of Vegas or Chicago, where violent crime sindicates still do what they want to an extent. remember, heroin and meth junkies don't need quality, just the product. Weed junkies can do without for longer, and can withdraw easier, so they'd need to be hooked a little softer and strung along for longer. Alcoholics more often than not, find their own way to addiction, so they just need the cheap stuff. Cigarrette smokers? TOO EASY!!! they bought poison for decades, and besides, lung cancer is just so cool!

Crime exist DESPITE regulations. Liqour and cigarette smuggling is a real and thriving business. Our big companies operate very much like cartels (minus the whole beheading crap, which is pretty lame). They get fined all the time for knowingly violating regulations. They drive cometitors out of business, and generally behave pretty badly.

Not much difference. Phillip Morris blunts are on the horizon
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Our big companies operate very much like cartels (minus the whole beheading crap, which is pretty lame)

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the 2nd part is precisely why MJ should be legalized and regulated.
 

Theb

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
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Fair response I'd say.

Not get in bed with....that's gross. First as competitors, then subsidiaries.

Cartels still bring in tons of weed into weed friendly states. They still DO smuggle in liquor and just about anything that they can. They don't pay taxes on anything, and labor cost is practically free, and that makes $$$$. "Legit" weed business have taxes, employee healthcare, minimum wage etc. Not much profit I'd say. Cartels have none of that, so much higher profit. I see something like the mob transformation of Vegas or Chicago, where violent crime sindicates still do what they want to an extent. remember, heroin and meth junkies don't need quality, just the product. Weed junkies can do without for longer, and can withdraw easier, so they'd need to be hooked a little softer and strung along for longer. Alcoholics more often than not, find their own way to addiction, so they just need the cheap stuff. Cigarrette smokers? TOO EASY!!! they bought poison for decades, and besides, lung cancer is just so cool!

Crime exist DESPITE regulations. Liqour and cigarette smuggling is a real and thriving business. Our big companies operate very much like cartels (minus the whole beheading crap, which is pretty lame). They get fined all the time for knowingly violating regulations. They drive cometitors out of business, and generally behave pretty badly.

Not much difference. Phillip Morris blunts are on the horizon

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
 
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