Conflict of interest in game journalism.

[Maximilian]

Yeah, that's my point. I don't even have time to care about all the stuff that is important. Seems like most people in this thread (at least the ones who keep posting page long rants 2-3 times a day) need to get a life outside of the internet.

Has not been a valid argument or counterpoint since ~2000.

Get with the times buddy.

 

[0roo0roo]

Yeah, that's my point. I don't even have time to care about all the stuff that is important. Seems like most people in this thread (at least the ones who keep posting page long rants 2-3 times a day) need to get a life outside of the internet.

We already have seen what your type of apathy has done.
You think these people really care about gaming?
No, they are posers, they are opportunistic frauds.
They infiltrated things like occupy wallstreet and destroyed it, then atheism, now this, if you don't think they'll move onto another target after they are done you are kidding yourself.

Its not a surprise that Anita isn't even interested in video games in any genuine way



Anita Sarkeesian Doesn't Like Video Games Remix
Hidden Tranny Files
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dTUBVBqnAg



Anita Sarkeesian Debunked in Under a Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW-69xXD734

Her idea for a game?

Anita Sarkeesian's Game Idea: Good or Bad?
Asalieri2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRYv73OeoGI

Laughable, she like the rest are just opportunistic frauds.

Brianna Wu? who claims to speak for "women in the industry", this is her game

Something no ones heard of or would consider a professional release, or even an indie of note. Yet she speaks as if she has personal knowledge of wide spread sexism in the gaming industry.

Zoe Quinn, made her "game" depression quest using
http://twinery.org/
"You don't need to write any code to create a simple story with Twine, but you can extend your stories with variables, conditional logic, images, CSS, and JavaScript when you're ready. "

These are frauds without the talent or backbone to put in the work to actually work legitimately in the industry as explained by the aaa insider in Oliver Campbell's podcast

And the fraud only continues from there
Is it really a surprise these frauds turn on the community they claim to be from or are representing?

former ars/pc mag guy

professional smear writer of badassdigest

dell employee

And they even managed to use the spambot that was promoting isis themselves to push their fake stopgamergate campaign.
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...rs-unlikely-support-to-stopgamergate-hashtag/

This goes beyond gamergate, its a cultural infection in our society and these people will shit things up wherever they go next. Its only that they chose the wrong target this time. Occupy wallstreet was destroyed by these people, and that matters, atheism conferences were as well. The mainstream media has never been called to account for their coverage and this is the first time they've faced any opposition because as Internet Aristocrat joked, they underestimated our autism. You can pretend none of this matters, but again, your apathy is responsible for the damage these people do, and will continue to do if not stopped.

And whether you like it or not, this has woken up gamers, and whole new generation of people to the pervasive dishonesty in media and culture, so it will have political repercussions in the long term.

 

[Mai72]

Has not been a valid argument or counterpoint since ~2000.

Get with the times buddy.

The internet is our life!

 

[0roo0roo]

Stereotypes Against Neurodiversity in Gaming Press [Anti-Bullying Month]
Mr. Strings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk3y98Z5kuw


https://twitter.com/devincf/status/523884023358423041

https://twitter.com/devincf/status/523734171857211392

WTF - Devin Faraci calls for the doxxing of #GamerGate
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C683xsD1-D8
If we had a guy like him on gamergates side, there would be no end to the screaming. But since he's been bashing us from day 1, he was referenced as the go to guy for the primer explaining the story of gamers and gamergate by the head editor of Eurogamer in his official response to gamergate. I've just noticed that if one were to blindly judge the conduct of these people by their social media, you'd have to assume they were 12 years old. Not professional adults who work in media.
http://www.edrants.com/why-devin-faraci-is-unfit-to-practice-journalism/



An open letter to Joss Whedon regarding #GamerGate
MundaneMatt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmtuYRFj4vI

Joss seems to be a lost cause.
I guess as a white man he knows pointing fingers at people like these justifies him bringing up the "klan"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZoYSILbQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8SG7QuxqD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqBdCmDR0M



Atheism+ Stream: How SJWs pushed their way into Atheism
InternetAristocrat + justicar + thunderf00t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inqcLXNlEes


HuffPost Live: 3 Strong Women Of #GamerGate Fight Back!
Video Game Journalism (YTheAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzrUsi6Y1s

The vids mentioned by justicar in the IA atheism stream
On sjw's and atheism plus
MykeruMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=589QxTt11HM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-eNn6S9hXA
On sjw's and occupy wallstreet
MykeruMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZJiWPt1NRU

 

[blake0812]

I'm guessing it's gonna come back to the time where video games are bad and for losers, ie the golden age of vidya.

 

[Nebor]

It seems that this time the SJWs have gotten mixed up with a group of people that already felt so marginalized by society that they can't be easily manipulated by shaming tactics or misplaced guilt. "Be nice to me because I'm a girl," doesn't play well with a bunch of guys that girls have never been nice to.

This really is starting to seem like an internet fight between people with nothing better to do though.

 

[smackababy]

This really is starting to seem like an internet fight between people with nothing better to do though.

It evolved into that a long time ago. The problem is one side* (*hint* not the journalist side *hint*) has the ability and capacity to do awful things. And, it seems the other side have yet to learn what everyone else on the internet has: you don't piss off THE INTERNET; and once you do, you certainly don't attempt to fight them. They are anonymous and capable of unspeakable evil, all in the name of a few laughs. Imagine what actually pissing them off is going to accomplish.


*I use side very lightly, as the argument shifted from the inappropriate relationships and possible bias of journalism in gaming to idiots vs internet trolls.

 

[BoberFett]

It evolved into that a long time ago. The problem is one side* (*hint* not the journalist side *hint*) has the ability and capacity to do awful things. And, it seems the other side have yet to learn what everyone else on the internet has: you don't piss off THE INTERNET; and once you do, you certainly don't attempt to fight them. They are anonymous and capable of unspeakable evil, all in the name of a few laughs. Imagine what actually pissing them off is going to accomplish.


*I use side very lightly, as the argument shifted from the inappropriate relationships and possible bias of journalism in gaming to idiots vs internet trolls.

Yet again you view everything through your bias. How is only one side capable of evil? The SJW side has doxxed and threatened as well.

 

[SharpHawk]

Journalists can do no evil, don't you know?

 

[smackababy]

Yet again you view everything through your bias. How is only one side capable of evil? The SJW side has doxxed and threatened as well.

I wasn't trying to imply they weren't able to do that. Just that, threatening a group known for doing things far worse than simply doxxing is generally a bad idea.

 

[ThinClient]

I wasn't trying to imply they weren't able to do that. Just that, threatening a group known for doing things far worse than simply doxxing is generally a bad idea.

So is generalizing. Every single "group" on the planet has its extremists that the rest of the group rejects and doesn't identify with. That doesn't mean the group is responsible for those actions or that the group needs to be identified or characterized by the actions of those few extremists.

You are part of the problem.

 

[Topweasel]

So is generalizing. Every single "group" on the planet has its extremists that the rest of the group rejects and doesn't identify with. That doesn't mean the group is responsible for those actions or that the group needs to be identified or characterized by the actions of those few extremists.

You are part of the problem.

Your part of the problem as well. Or at least people that think Gamersgate is actually what it should have been about in the first place. But it never was it was based on some loose connection between one developer and another. The worries and conflict of interest didn't exist at that time. But it didn't stop people from attacking her and using "platform" to attack female with a dissenting opinion. Or go after sites for attempting to shield people from the mostly baseless outrage.

For the people who think they are accomplishing something by going after ethics in gaming journalism. They are helping others destroying careers and lives for trying to engage in debates (even if theirs is just as pointless) or dare to stereotype the "good guys".

Right now the Gamersgate might as well be funded and driven by Neo-Nazi's. People who can't see that the movement has become a shield for the worst the internet has to offer I feel pity for.

 

[BoberFett]

Right now the Gamersgate might as well be funded and driven by Neo-Nazi's. People who can't see that the movement has become a shield for the worst the internet has to offer I feel pity for.

/facepalm

 

[Nebor]

The people trying to engage in "debates" over feminist issues in video games need to be destroyed. They're not looking for a real debate, they're just looking to bulldoze everyone with PC nonsense like they did the skeptics groups and atheist groups. I'm just glad they finally ran afoul of someone who is more insidious and dedicated than they are.

 

[Topweasel]

The people trying to engage in "debates" over feminist issues in video games need to be destroyed. They're not looking for a real debate, they're just looking to bulldoze everyone with PC nonsense like they did the skeptics groups and atheist groups. I'm just glad they finally ran afoul of someone who is more insidious and dedicated than they are.

That's a bit harsh but I know what you are getting at. Sometimes upsetting the apple cart just because it was sitting there to be upset is a bit tiring. They went into a topic that they had to no real interest in and tried to shake stuff up. But the problem is on one hand there are some valid points. Fear over what those would actually affect our medium isn't enough of a reason to attack people personally.

The other part is the Feminism quest for superiority in the effort to push out equality (which is a noble endeavor). They do mask their desire for a cultural pendulum swing with them holding the power in most things. It's really easy to see a push for inclusion to lead to stupid changes being made to either appease them, or wholesale changes to genre's caused by Feminism. The media lady on M#9 being a great example of pushing an agenda rather then working make a game people would love.

That said. Them just being a group with a growing power base that is influencing things that you don't want to change isn't a good enough reason to be a horrible human being. Whether or not they are doing the right thing in your eyes. They are at least doing it the right way. Not only is the dark side of Gamersgate going about it the wrong and illegal way. They are only giving their opponents more ammo for them.

 

[ThinClient]

Your part of the problem as well. Or at least people that think Gamersgate is actually what it should have been about in the first place. But it never was it was based on some loose connection between one developer and another. The worries and conflict of interest didn't exist at that time. But it didn't stop people from attacking her and using "platform" to attack female with a dissenting opinion. Or go after sites for attempting to shield people from the mostly baseless outrage.

For the people who think they are accomplishing something by going after ethics in gaming journalism. They are helping others destroying careers and lives for trying to engage in debates (even if theirs is just as pointless) or dare to stereotype the "good guys".

Right now the Gamersgate might as well be funded and driven by Neo-Nazi's. People who can't see that the movement has become a shield for the worst the internet has to offer I feel pity for.

This is the very definition of irrationality, folks.

 

[ThinClient]

That's a bit harsh but I know what you are getting at. Sometimes upsetting the apple cart just because it was sitting there to be upset is a bit tiring. They went into a topic that they had to no real interest in and tried to shake stuff up. But the problem is on one hand there are some valid points. Fear over what those would actually affect our medium isn't enough of a reason to attack people personally.

The other part is the Feminism quest for superiority in the effort to push out equality (which is a noble endeavor). They do mask their desire for a cultural pendulum swing with them holding the power in most things. It's really easy to see a push for inclusion to lead to stupid changes being made to either appease them, or wholesale changes to genre's caused by Feminism. The media lady on M#9 being a great example of pushing an agenda rather then working make a game people would love.

That said. Them just being a group with a growing power base that is influencing things that you don't want to change isn't a good enough reason to be a horrible human being. Whether or not they are doing the right thing in your eyes. They are at least doing it the right way. Not only is the dark side of Gamersgate going about it the wrong and illegal way. They are only giving their opponents more ammo for them.

You're not listening.

 

[0roo0roo]

It seems that this time the SJWs have gotten mixed up with a group of people that already felt so marginalized by society that they can't be easily manipulated by shaming tactics or misplaced guilt. "Be nice to me because I'm a girl," doesn't play well with a bunch of guys that girls have never been nice to.

This really is starting to seem like an internet fight between people with nothing better to do though.

There is no righteousness in apathy, you already know how these people screwed up skeptic communities. And to the point of actual rape accusations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-eNn6S9hXA

The people trying to engage in "debates" over feminist issues in video games need to be destroyed. They're not looking for a real debate, they're just looking to bulldoze everyone with PC nonsense like they did the skeptics groups and atheist groups. I'm just glad they finally ran afoul of someone who is more insidious and dedicated than they are.

Well that is true, they are opportunists, it was never a genuine concern for these people in the fist place, and that's why its an issue, and why it goes beyond gaming. Once these people are done screwing up occupy wallstreet or atheism/skepticism they just move onto the next target. But as IA said, they finally hit a wall of 'autism'.

Your part of the problem as well. Or at least people that think Gamersgate is actually what it should have been about in the first place. But it never was it was based on some loose connection between one developer and another. The worries and conflict of interest didn't exist at that time. But it didn't stop people from attacking her and using "platform" to attack female with a dissenting opinion. Or go after sites for attempting to shield people from the mostly baseless outrage.

For the people who think they are accomplishing something by going after ethics in gaming journalism. They are helping others destroying careers and lives for trying to engage in debates (even if theirs is just as pointless) or dare to stereotype the "good guys".

Right now the Gamersgate might as well be funded and driven by Neo-Nazi's. People who can't see that the movement has become a shield for the worst the internet has to offer I feel pity for.

It never was? Based on what? If you are getting your information from the gaming press or the lazy mainstream press for your opinions instead of the actual people involved at this point you are going to spew this kind of nonsense.

You have no proof that any harassment is even done by actual GG people. Where as we have proof of professional adult people working in the industry purporting to represent gamers or just journalism behaving like children.

And again, its like your ignorance is deliberate, their are a suspicious amount of women and minorities involved in a movement "funded" by neo-nazi's.

It evolved into that a long time ago. The problem is one side* (*hint* not the journalist side *hint*) has the ability and capacity to do awful things. And, it seems the other side have yet to learn what everyone else on the internet has: you don't piss off THE INTERNET; and once you do, you certainly don't attempt to fight them. They are anonymous and capable of unspeakable evil, all in the name of a few laughs. Imagine what actually pissing them off is going to accomplish.


*I use side very lightly, as the argument shifted from the inappropriate relationships and possible bias of journalism in gaming to idiots vs internet trolls.

Again, speaking from deliberate ignorance at this point, you have had almost 2 months to actually educate yourself on the subject so you could have an informed opinion before speaking. The "capacity" to do awful things like floor disinformation and smear articles by the thousands is on the "journalists" side. The power to enact mass censorship and suppression through deleting thousands of comments and banning thousands of accounts is on their side. The power to reach into even mainstream media and even wikipedia is on their side because all they have to do is poison the narrative by flooding articles from their sites. No matter how dishonest or inaccurate, they become sources for wikipedia, and in turn the lazy mainstream media simply runs stories based on what the games media says. Its disinformation and bullying on a epic scale.
These people aren't "anonymous" and they behave like children on their social media while representing their companies. In any other industry attacking your consumer base like this would be grounds for firing, but this industry is so corrupt it seems to not matter.
Again your attempt to draw false equivalence between the two sides just isn't based on any facts at all. You have zero proof any supposed harassment is linked to gamergate, or even that a significant portion of gamergaters support anything like that kind of behavior. Its an assertion without basis. Corruption in media is a given, and every dishonest article they put out, every one sided hit piece interview they do is just more evidence of this. There is no equal "trolling" war on this, these people spew dishonesty across all mediums and then expect no response. That is trolling behavior.

The Lie Heard Around the World #GamerGate #NotYourShield
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRaAJBKmi5I
Again, that is the kind of thing that runs almost 2 months into this controversy. One sided, zero research or skepticism or fairness.

The gamergate side has been more than civil considering the onslaught of smears. To be ganged up on by media on the scale that gamergate has been, its incredible the amount of restraint people have demonstrated. Gamers number in the hundreds of millions, so if you are going to point out some random anon who you can't even prove is connected to GG, stop.
The top gamergaters twitters simply don't look like that of sam biddle or devin faraci. If they did, there would be screaming from the sjw's about it being evidence of the "hate". All the hate and bile is from the sjw's side and the hypocrisy is palpable.

*I use side very lightly, as the argument shifted from the inappropriate relationships and possible bias of journalism in gaming to idiots vs internet trolls.

Its funny how these "internet trolls" sound like rational mature people who are diverse in every way.
Oliver Campbell stream #gamergate Threedog's news radio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8SG7QuxqD4

HuffPost Live: 3 Strong Women Of #GamerGate Fight Back!
Video Game Journalism (YTheAlien)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtzrUsi6Y1s

Greg Lisby Interview journalistic ethics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-7RLxrsJ04

Anti-GamerGate Threats, Anti-Notyourshield Racism & Falsifying Narratives
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZoYSILbQ8

A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzW9EkyP1c4

#GamerGate Research into Academia
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrBCX5cm5k

Stereotypes Against Neurodiversity in Gaming Press [Anti-Bullying Month]
Mr. Strings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk3y98Z5kuw

While the other side is populated by

Professional victims and bullies.

and for anyone that cares to look how this happened in the atheism community before
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQJW3WMsx1q1OkWXNYx0Oozq6fpNCvvKZ
https://www.youtube.com/user/MykeruMedia/videos

 

[ThinClient]

Women are prevented from reaching the top in the video gaming industry, eh feminists? Really? Females are shunned and abused and rejected from the video game industry? Really feminists?

Let me introduce you to Jade Raymond, basically CEO of Ubisoft.

Basically, immensely hot. Talented, went to school for a CS degree, worked her way up through Sony, now runs Ubisoft. Bam.

 

[Subyman]

Do we know the politics between Gamespot and any publishers at the time of that article? Was his relationship with his work already strained when he wrote that article? Furthermore just because someone is willing to write negative or possible even accurate reviews does that mean they are certainly and completely unbiased when it comes to politics?

Yes, GS admitted it when Giantbomb merged with CBS Interactive. The businessman in charge of Gamespot at the time of the firing of Jeff left shortly after. Jeff and a CBS Interactive exec sat down and discussed the debacle before the merger in a video interview. Jeff also recounted the story numerous times on podcasts.

FWIW, no one is completely unbiased, that is inhuman. Knowing your biases and being upfront with them is very important. Jeff's ideal for Giantbomb is that it is personality driven and people get to know the reviewers on a personal level (what their tastes are and interests) so they know the person behind the review and can feel things like, "Brad gave DOTA2 a great score and Brad loves MOBAs, so do I, so I will probably like it too."

They do not, at all, try to be "objective." Reviews are wholly subjective otherwise you get into a situation where you have a spreadsheet of arbitrary numbers that are meaningless.

As for politics, he tries his hardest to stay out of political discussions, which is why it took so long for them to say anything official about the gamergate stuff at all.

 

[Subyman]

Women are prevented from reaching the top in the video gaming industry, eh feminists? Really? Females are shunned and abused and rejected from the video game industry? Really feminists?

Let me introduce you to Jade Raymond, basically CEO of Ubisoft.

She just quit, reasons unknown. Says shes staying in games though.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jade-raymond-leaving-ubisoft/1100-5050/

I admit my ignorance on this subject. I don't work in games, so I can't speak to the diversity of game development other than the statistics that are provided.

 

[ThinClient]

She just quit, reasons unknown. Says shes staying in games though.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/jade-raymond-leaving-ubisoft/1100-5050/

I admit my ignorance on this subject. I don't work in games, so I can't speak to the diversity of game development other than the statistics that are provided.

Yeah, was reading that right after posting it. She was with them for 10 years though, and Sony before that. AND she's hot as balls.

 

[0roo0roo]

Yeah, was reading that right after posting it. She was with them for 10 years though, and Sony before that. AND she's hot as balls.

Yep

Another one is Jessica Chobot, yes I know she isn't a developer, but I bring her up because she is "hot as balls" and because interestingly enough she got ahead of gamergate big time, it was at least a few months ago that she was in a youtube video talking with some people and explaining how she's completely backed away from game reviewing, she said she refused give games a score now because she knows and is friends with too many people in the industry, and she explained how daylight turned out...I'm guessing disappointing to her because she was basically saying that there was a lot of things that got in the way of what they intended to do. So people shouldn't just blame the devs because she implied they were facing constraints on what they could do. In any case she's at the very least smarter than half the people in anti gamer gate who have just really screwed themselves digging in their heels on corruption when they could have just came clean 2 months ago and resolved this with changes and transparency.

I can't find the video, it was nerdist I think and they were at a convention talking while eating at a table. Might have been removed for being too honest, who knows.

Ah reddit...
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall <--right wing misogynist monster

How Irresponsible Gaming Journalism Ushered in a New Age of Autism Bashing.
Mr. Strings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwBM0VehlQI



And this is just more spooky stuff on how the same thing just keeps happening....

The Block Bot and the Dumbification of the Beeb
MykeruMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WjSQ2kVyQc


And it looks like gawker just lost bmw as an advertiser.
https://twitter.com/jayd3fox/status/524306700732346368

Anyways the closer this runs to black friday and christmas, the more heads are going to roll, these people by pushing their agenda and poisoning a safe space for commerce are going to attract the attention of the money men.

 

[0roo0roo]

Seems the sjw invasion of the atheists and skeptics actually led to rape allegations, so at least we haven't gone that far...
JREF and the Anally Inserted Hand Grenade
MykeruMedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-eNn6S9hXA


Bonus..male feminists at tedx D:




SJW leftists Ep.1 - Excuse me princess on TEDx
SkepTorr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0SgKtDeSjM

SJM leftists Ep.2 - Feminism For Men on TEDx
SkepTorr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_vEYHaQLlg

 

[MeldarthX]

I love watching this with great interest. I'm a gamer; I have step daughter who's a gamer; along with another one; my son's a gamer.

My step daughter was badly bullied in primary school and a lot in secondary school. I've showed her this and she was like wth? They just want to destroy; whelp; others have learned you don't piss off us "nerds" we have the tools to fight back in this fight and damn straight are not afraid to use them.

These companies will find out the hard way; when ad dollars disappear because of their bs....and will they be missed? nope not at all.