Conflict of interest in game journalism.

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desura

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I think Sarkeesian is pretty cute. Like, every time she has one of those videos, I end up just ignoring whatever shit she's saying and gaze at her beauty. Especially those lips.
 

Blitzvogel

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Wow you guys are still giving her attention, though I would give her a good banging too :awe:

I agree with some of her comments to a degree, however instead of bitching, she should go out and make games for herself and women if she hates videogames these days so much. There's a market for everyone. The problem is that the "oppressed" seem to think that there couldn't be one for them, so they think that the rest of the market should conform to them.
 
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smackababy

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I don't think she is even the least bit attractive. At least, from the pictures I've seen of her, can't say I've seen any of her videos or interviews. Those drawn on eyebrows certainly scream 'hot', said no one ever.
 

blake0812

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You know something must be true when the youtube comments are disabled. I mean, there's just no point in having a discussion about something that's so obviously true.
she disables comments on every one of her videos. She seems unwilling to have a discussion about it with someone from the opposite side.
 

desura

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You know something must be true when the youtube comments are disabled. I mean, there's just no point in having a discussion about something that's so obviously true.

YouTube has the worst comments on the Internet. Why don't you guys actually refute her points instead of attacking around the edges?
 

Nebor

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YouTube has the worst comments on the Internet. Why don't you guys actually refute her points instead of attacking around the edges?

She has no real points. She doesn't even know anything about video games. She can't name three.
 

lozina

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I would write her a good review to NOT sleep with me, and to stay the **REMOVED** away.




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AyashiKaibutsu

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Still nice to pop into this thread and see it's still a cesspit. But yea, gamersgate is all about the journalism man!
 

Topweasel

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she disables comments on every one of her videos. She seems unwilling to have a discussion about it with someone from the opposite side.
Actually her first few videos had comments enabled specially the preview ones that she used as part of her kickstarter. They delved into the most crappiest crapfest you can ever imagine. And that is before she actually said anything worth commenting on.

She certainly plays the victim to easily and I found a few things mention during the Corbert interview annoying. Like she really does wanted to see settings and stories disappear, because of how they deal with women. That's horrible and an attempt at censorship that I just couldn't get behind even I agreed with everything she said.

That said, missing the one in a 100k posts where someone posted something that could lead to a proper discussion isn't worth dealing or sifting through the other 99999 posts. There can't be a meaningful conversation like that on Youtube. Not with her topics. No reason for her or anyone else to try.
 

Nebor

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The thing is, it isn't enough for her and her ilk to make the kind of games they want. They have to destroy the kinds of games that others want. Even when the others offer to pay her to make the games that she wants, she refuses and attacks.
 

desura

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The thing is, it isn't enough for her and her ilk to make the kind of games they want. They have to destroy the kinds of games that others want. Even when the others offer to pay her to make the games that she wants, she refuses and attacks.

I think her criticism is valuable. It is meant to make developers aware of how wrong-headed many of their decisions are.

And there are actual gameplay footages of the offending segments. I actually find them annoying as well when I encounter them in a game.
 

Nebor

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Was anyone else astounded to see that when Payday 2 finally introduced females into the game this week, it made them regular, easily slain security guards? Not femdozers, or even SWAT cops that can put up a fight, but unarmored, lightly armed security guards that aren't even on their feet when you encounter them. Just another example of the misogynistic video game industry portraying women as weak, "less than" characters that are simply around for decoration.

 

SMOGZINN

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Except of course that almost everything he says in that video is crap.

His first criticism of her is that she hasn't read the source material, something he also hasn't done. But she does tell us this upfront, and gives us the source that she is using. Making it a pretty weak criticism, one that must also the leveled right back at him.

His next criticism is that she does not give equal billing to the treatment of men and women. But of she will deal with that later on. Because her argument is all about how women are treated differently than men. But first she has to lay her ground claim, after that she will support it. That is how arguments work.

His argument that revenge is a basic plot style is more impactful, and is might be a valid criticism. Unfortunately he really doesn't take any effort to refute the argument that Sarkeesian makes that women are portrayed as the victim to a much greater amount.

His next several arguments all boil down to 'They are not superhero's so they don't count' but the trope is not just about superhero's losing their power, it is about fictional female characters who had been "killed, maimed or depowered." This is stated on the very wikipedia page he references just a moment before.

"Is it only women that get tortured in comic books, or is it only offensive when it happens to women" She is still laying out her argument, she will get to why she believes it is different when it happens to men. Try to remember that she is not really talking about torture, but the treatment of women in comics.

"So it is offensive when a female gets tortured, and it's offensive when they get killed off panel without a battle." No, it seems he doesn't understand what we are talking about. Once again we are not talking about torture. We are talking about how women characters are treated differently from male characters. The question that he should have asked is, would this have happened to a male character? Sarkeesian's argument is that it would not have, that male characters are treated with more respect. That is what you have to refute.

Okay, next talks about how much fail there is in her narrowing her scope to pull overarching patterns out of the comic book narratives, and gives an example of studing one tribe and determining that is how the whole world is. Of course, Sarkeesian had just finished saying that it is not like that all the time, or every comic. Also, that is exactly what he is doing here, taking bits of what she has to say and pulling it out to look at patterns. And of course if you really stop and think about it you will notice that it is the sort of thing we do all the time. It is so common we have come up with a word for it, statistics. So, I think his criticism on this point is the real fail here.

Then he goes back to his argument on confirmation bias, he asks why men don't count. Which is a good question. But he then puts Sarkeesian's answer to that question in the very next clip, which is because when it happens to men it is almost always a plot device to make them come back as even more powerful or relevant. That is a fair argument, it shows a clear different between how male and female characters are treated in comics. Sarkeesian's argument has always been that women are treated differently then men in comic books, it seems that this is still true. Now it seems that the definition of 'Women in Refrigerators' is now "fictional female characters who had been killed, maimed or depowered and don't come back even better." You could maybe make an argument that she has moved the goalpost, but I don't think you can call it confirmation bias at this point, at least without a much stronger argument than he is giving us.

So, as you can see it was not taken care of. The video you pointed at amounts to nothing more than a rant, not a rebuttal argument.
 

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I think her criticism is valuable. It is meant to make developers aware of how wrong-headed many of their decisions are.

And there are actual gameplay footages of the offending segments. I actually find them annoying as well when I encounter them in a game.

If you simply don't buy games that have those "offending segments" and buy other games that don't contain them, then more money goes to developers making games you prefer and so those games make a greater revenue and thus greater profit, making them more likely to be making a sequel, and on and on the economics lesson goes.

Businesses DO NOT RESPOND to what people whine about, they only respond to what people spend their money on, that's why despite CoD being the same shit year in and year out, the fact that the hordes of casuals love it is what causes it to be so successful.

These feminists need to draw a distinct line between what they simply do not like or find distastful and those tropes which actually "hurt" women in real life, which is why I've demanded all along that she actually back her claims of women being "hurt" with actual published and peer reviewed scientific work, none of which she has EVER done.
 

BoberFett

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These feminists need to draw a distinct line between what they simply do not like or find distastful and those tropes which actually "hurt" women in real life, which is why I've demanded all along that she actually back her claims of women being "hurt" with actual published and peer reviewed scientific work, none of which she has EVER done.

*insert vagaries about teaching young men to be misogynists and perpetuating the patriarchy*
 

desura

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If you simply don't buy games that have those "offending segments" and buy other games that don't contain them, then more money goes to developers making games you prefer and so those games make a greater revenue and thus greater profit, making them more likely to be making a sequel, and on and on the economics lesson goes.

Businesses DO NOT RESPOND to what people whine about, they only respond to what people spend their money on, that's why despite CoD being the same shit year in and year out, the fact that the hordes of casuals love it is what causes it to be so successful.

These feminists need to draw a distinct line between what they simply do not like or find distastful and those tropes which actually "hurt" women in real life, which is why I've demanded all along that she actually back her claims of women being "hurt" with actual published and peer reviewed scientific work, none of which she has EVER done.

That's kind of bullshit. It is not as if I can demand a refund upon discovering an offensive segment. If I could know ahead of time? I definitely would. But you can never know ahead of time what you're going to get in a game.

This kind of shit is why I don't find games like Saints Row to be appealing...

And in any case, her making these videos helps educate gamers on the morality of this shit in games, so that more can demand change. It's quite pathetic that so many people hate her.
 

Grooveriding

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I don't think she is even the least bit attractive. At least, from the pictures I've seen of her, can't say I've seen any of her videos or interviews. Those drawn on eyebrows certainly scream 'hot', said no one ever.

Yeah I am not getting it. Way too much makeup and not attractive even with it. Not sure how she looks is even relevant though.

She's a professional bullcrapper and is not willing to debate her narrative, just reside in an echo chamber with it. This is a hallmark of how you promote propaganda.

Her entire quest is a pointless exercise. Make your own games to fit your mold because the gaming industry will not capitulate to censorship , especially at the expense of profits .
 

Blue_Max

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Sarky is aging. FAST. All that man-hate and BS (oops, I mean "oppression") must be hard on her.
 
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