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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Both my work f350 diesels get 21 to 23 canuckistanian MPG on the highway, pretty good for an 8500lb vehicle with over 1000lbs of material on top. A single cab, short bed, 2wd would be amazing.

Which apparently goes to Hell quickly in normal driving-

http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-350_super_duty

It's not like they're good commuter cars, what F250 class pickups tend to be used for in real life.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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The problem is that conservation somehow got perverted into a political issue.

We should shoot all the politicians, and start over again with new ones.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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The problem is that conservation somehow got perverted into a political issue.

We should shoot all the politicians, and start over again with new ones.
And then it wouldn't be a political issue? Taking from one to give to another is always going to be political. Unless it's done while looking down the barrel of a gun in which case the definition becomes more complex.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
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The problem is that conservation somehow got perverted into a political issue.

We should shoot all the politicians, and start over again with new ones.

All of them, or just the ones who dance to the tune of the fossil fuel industry?
 

chucky2

Lifer
Dec 9, 1999
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Which apparently goes to Hell quickly in normal driving-

http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-350_super_duty

It's not like they're good commuter cars, what F250 class pickups tend to be used for in real life.

Now, rub those two Proggie braincells you have together now, and figure out what a gas engined F350 would be getting, and you'll have your diesel vs gas answer. Diesel makes sense as long as the Gov isn't jacking up diesel prices at the pump, and/or jacking them up via emissions regulations.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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CO2, Methane, and other GHGs don't give a fuck what people think. They will just continue causing Warming and CC regardless.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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That article was pretty worthless, no real meat. So I looked at the article it referenced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/americas/us-climate-change-republicans-democrats.html?_r=1

LOL, Americans are pretty stupid.

Thinking about policies to reduce carbon emissions, Americans generally favor regulating business activity more than taxing consumers. The poll found broad support for capping power plant emissions. Half of all Americans said they thought the government should take steps to restrict drilling, logging and mining on public lands, compared with 45 percent who opposed such restrictions. Support for limiting mineral extraction on public lands rose to 58 percent among Democrats.

In typical fashion, Americans want OTHER people to do something about it. They themselves don't want to pay more for their power usage.

I'm not sure what public land resource usage has to do with climate change, but whatever.

But just one in five Americans favored increasing taxes on electricity as a way to fight global warming; six in 10 were strongly opposed, including 49 percent of Democrats. And support was not much higher for increasing gasoline taxes, at 36 percent over all.

Even half of Democrats don't want their privileged lifestyles to change.

And while 68 percent of respondents under 30 supported taxing companies’ carbon emissions, that was just five points higher than the overall number — and lower than the nearly three-quarters of Democrats who professed support.

Right, because those taxes won't get passed down in product pricing.

LOL, Americans.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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All of them, or just the ones who dance to the tune of the fossil fuel industry?

While I may have personal likes for some, I believe the true solution would be to flush the toilet and bring fresh water into the bowl.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
72,699
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It would be wonderful if we did more about climate change. I'd love it if there were fewer cars on the road. Get the plebs on the bus where they belong and out of my way.

You would love driving with me. I spend most of my trip screaming at the top of my lungs and calling for God to bring us Bubonic Plague. I'd like to see a 95% reduction in traffic. Fuck getting the plebs of busses, the fumes fucking stink.
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
26,127
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You would love driving with me. I spend most of my trip screaming at the top of my lungs and calling for God to bring us Bubonic Plague. I'd like to see a 95% reduction in traffic. Fuck getting the plebs of busses, the fumes fucking stink.

Moonbeam, You sound just like that taxi driver I had when I was in New Orleans a couple years back, you drive a cab by chance?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Now, rub those two Proggie braincells you have together now, and figure out what a gas engined F350 would be getting, and you'll have your diesel vs gas answer. Diesel makes sense as long as the Gov isn't jacking up diesel prices at the pump, and/or jacking them up via emissions regulations.

Oh, please. I haven't disparaged diesel in the slightest.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
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In typical fashion, Americans want OTHER people to do something about it. They themselves don't want to pay more for their power usage.

There's a lot of easy pickins' between where most people are & bills that are actually higher by using more efficient devices from autos to led lighting & everything in between.

OTOH, nothing compares to that big swinging dick feeling of tooling around alone in in some chrome plated monstrosity, right?
 

Ham n' Eggs

Member
Sep 22, 2015
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CO2, Methane, and other GHGs don't give a fuck what people think. They will just continue causing Warming and CC regardless.

This is the only thing that matters really. Physics isn't stopping just because the public is losing interest (if that's actually the case... I dunno). For me it's kind of like how I lost interest in debating Creationists and trying to "prove points", disprove misinformation, etc. One day I realized that no amount of effort will ever change anything. Creationists are gonna try to sell creationism, and climate change deniers (I like to call them physics deniers myself) are gonna deny climate change/Global Warming.

The creationists have the all powerful religion system backing them, and the climate deniers have billionaires and megacorps spending absurd $$$ on propaganda and purchasing politicians. On the other side of both of these groups are... scientists. Scientists don't have a chance, and it's pretty clear that they're not going to win anytime soon. With creationism, we have plenty of time. With Climate Change, the clock is ticking.

So, end of the day, I've come to accept the inevitability of humanities lemming-like sprint over the cliffs of climate destruction. To halt the sprint would require a rewiring of basic human survival and greed instincts.

Since I live in a northerly climate and enjoy gardening and have accepted humanities collective stupidity and willingness to destroy its own life support system, I can now let-go of the angst and enjoy and relish in the warming world. I look forward to the warming that is coming my way (and has already begun), as I plan to introduce plants in my yard that would have been impossible to grow here 20-30 years ago. Winters are much less cold where I live and my zone has gone from a solid 6 to a high 7-ish. I hope to to have some truly remarkable southern species growing here in the impossible north before I check out.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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There's a lot of easy pickins' between where most people are & bills that are actually higher by using more efficient devices from autos to led lighting & everything in between.

OTOH, nothing compares to that big swinging dick feeling of tooling around alone in in some chrome plated monstrosity, right?

You're just jealous because you don't know the feeling of having any dick at all.

So I'm not surprised you quoted me and completely failed to address the point. Americans (the people that invented slacktivism) chant "MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!" and then when someone asks them what they're going to do to help, they all look around at each other hoping someone else is going to take care of it.

"Climate change? Yes, stop it! But ummm, don't make it cost me any money..."

LOL, Americans.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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You're just jealous because you don't know the feeling of having any dick at all.

So I'm not surprised you quoted me and completely failed to address the point. Americans (the people that invented slacktivism) chant "MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!" and then when someone asks them what they're going to do to help, they all look around at each other hoping someone else is going to take care of it.

"Climate change? Yes, stop it! But ummm, don't make it cost me any money..."

LOL, Americans.

Awww... Boberfett stewing in his own bitter bile, projecting his own resentment & inadequacy out on the rest of the world, as usual.

If I have to pay more per KWH, I'll compensate by using fewer of them. You'll just whine, I'm sure.

Up next, room occupancy sensors. The lights come on when I enter the room, go out after a preset delay after I leave. You probably lack the expertise to install one w/o being electrocuted. OTOH, you might benefit from shock therapy.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Maybe it's because Americans know that most pollution is caused by businesses.

Nah that couldn't be! Americans are stupid but not boberfett, he's smart!

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-made-global-warming-emissions-climate-change

http://m.ajc.com/news/news/local/study-southern-company-plants-are-3-biggest-greenh/nQQJn/

You stupid fuck!

You're just jealous because you don't know the feeling of having any dick at all.

So I'm not surprised you quoted me and completely failed to address the point. Americans (the people that invented slacktivism) chant "MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!" and then when someone asks them what they're going to do to help, they all look around at each other hoping someone else is going to take care of it.

"Climate change? Yes, stop it! But ummm, don't make it cost me any money..."

LOL, Americans.
 

Subyman

Moderator <br> VC&G Forum
Mar 18, 2005
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That article was pretty worthless, no real meat. So I looked at the article it referenced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/01/world/americas/us-climate-change-republicans-democrats.html?_r=1

LOL, Americans are pretty stupid.



In typical fashion, Americans want OTHER people to do something about it. They themselves don't want to pay more for their power usage.

I'm not sure what public land resource usage has to do with climate change, but whatever.



Even half of Democrats don't want their privileged lifestyles to change.



Right, because those taxes won't get passed down in product pricing.

LOL, Americans.

You'd be amazed (or not) at the mind of some of the extreme tree huggers. I talked to several that were against carbon-based fuel sources for power generation. I suggested nuclear for base load requirements and they cringed at that. They actually thought wind and solar were the answer for all power needs.

I know climate change is real and the evidence shows humans are contributing. However, I don't think damaging economic policy is reasonable to combat the change. Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at all. Our civilization has grown so large that we now affect the global climate. Its a milestone IMO and was bound to happen. The faster we all accept it then we can begin to figure out how it affects us and what we need to do moving forward.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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You'd be amazed (or not) at the mind of some of the extreme tree huggers. I talked to several that were against carbon-based fuel sources for power generation. I suggested nuclear for base load requirements and they cringed at that. They actually thought wind and solar were the answer for all power needs.

I know climate change is real and the evidence shows humans are contributing. However, I don't think damaging economic policy is reasonable to combat the change. Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at all. Our civilization has grown so large that we now affect the global climate. Its a milestone IMO and was bound to happen. The faster we all accept it then we can begin to figure out how it affects us and what we need to do moving forward.

Lol! Did you even read what you wrote? Ignoring the false claim that investing in alternative energy would be economically damaging, you were basically given the solution and ignored it and then said we need to figure out how to move forward.

If you are religous, the parable of the flood comes to mind.

http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2012/01/the-parable-of-the-flood/
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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You'd be amazed (or not) at the mind of some of the extreme tree huggers. I talked to several that were against carbon-based fuel sources for power generation. I suggested nuclear for base load requirements and they cringed at that. They actually thought wind and solar were the answer for all power needs.

I know climate change is real and the evidence shows humans are contributing. However, I don't think damaging economic policy is reasonable to combat the change. Does that make me a hypocrite? Not at all. Our civilization has grown so large that we now affect the global climate. Its a milestone IMO and was bound to happen. The faster we all accept it then we can begin to figure out how it affects us and what we need to do moving forward.

Solar. of course. You are a nice person and a good thinker, but you don't know much.

NASA built a building I heard about that is completely energy independent and generates enough to supplement older buildings in the complex whare it was built. The progress in solar is amazing and the solar leaf is the answer, I believe, for cars. Tesla has a solution for running your house at night but I think solar and hydrogen are the key to sustainability long term. Nuclear is a curse we visit on our children. Bad poo poo.
 

Subyman

Moderator <br> VC&G Forum
Mar 18, 2005
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Lol! Did you even read what you wrote? Ignoring the false claim that investing in alternative energy would be economically damaging, you were basically given the solution and ignored it and then said we need to figure out how to move forward.

If you are religous, the parable of the flood comes to mind.

http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2012/01/the-parable-of-the-flood/

I'm not religious at all and I never specified what I meant by "economically damaging." You are putting words in my mouth.
 

Subyman

Moderator <br> VC&G Forum
Mar 18, 2005
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Solar. of course. You are a nice person and a good thinker, but you don't know much.

NASA built a building I heard about that is completely energy independent and generates enough to supplement older buildings in the complex whare it was built. The progress in solar is amazing and the solar leaf is the answer, I believe, for cars. Tesla has a solution for running your house at night but I think solar and hydrogen are the key to sustainability long term. Nuclear is a curse we visit on our children. Bad poo poo.

Solar is not an "of course." There are very real merits to alternative energies, but we need to be realistic. The only feasible solution to carbon based energy is nuclear fission. Fusion perhaps in 100+ years. Investment funding and politics ensure we will not see a nuclear resurgence in this country for a long time.

Cutting edge home solutions are nice and are a great way for wealthier families to off set their energy use, but a $3k battery pack, $10k solar panels, and $$$ for install/misc isn't feasible for the vast majority of Americans let alone people around the world. You can't point to an upper class solution for a world wide problem.

NASA building a green roof, water re-circulation, solar panels, this and that is wonderful. A great future to look forward to in a century. Now tell me how to integrate all that into a $80,000 stick built home on a budget, let alone try to retrofit a run-down rental property.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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The problem is that conservation somehow got perverted into a political issue.

We should shoot all the politicians, and start over again with new ones.

Unfortunately, conservation has always been a political issue. It has too do with how incredibly short sighted and selfish humans are.
 
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