If fat Americans rode their bicycle once in a while instead of driving their fat asses around in an SUV, everyone would be better off.
What these morons don't get is that a continuation of using fossil fuels and an unwillingness to change to better alternatives has and does result in a lower standard of living. Poor air quality leads to health issues and just in case they haven't noticed, our health care ain't exactly cheap. Not only that but harvesting oil has lead to real immediate consequences that also lower the quality of life. For example, fracking has lead to an increase in earthquakes where they either didn't exist or happened very rarely. Let's not forget about ground water contamination, destroyed beaches and the loss of business as a result. Even greater risks such as having to deal with countries that don't support our type of demacracy along with the ups and downs of a volatile energy market are just some of the negative economic impact of continuing with such policies.
It's called an externality. Market price should reflect it, not pretend that dumping stuff into the air is free. "Free market" conservatives should know that, but somehow their idea of "free market" is capture the benefit, externalize the cost.
Awww... Boberfett stewing in his own bitter bile, projecting his own resentment & inadequacy out on the rest of the world, as usual.
If I have to pay more per KWH, I'll compensate by using fewer of them. You'll just whine, I'm sure.
Up next, room occupancy sensors. The lights come on when I enter the room, go out after a preset delay after I leave. You probably lack the expertise to install one w/o being electrocuted. OTOH, you might benefit from shock therapy.
Maybe it's because Americans know that most pollution is caused by businesses.
Nah that couldn't be! Americans are stupid but not boberfett, he's smart!
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-made-global-warming-emissions-climate-change
http://m.ajc.com/news/news/local/study-southern-company-plants-are-3-biggest-greenh/nQQJn/
You stupid fuck!
When is this stupid crap going to end? They doctor the raw data. Do you even understand what that means? I swear its like trying to make 4 year olds understand. They deliberately change the raw data for what are clearly political purposes. What part of that do you not understand? What part of that do you disagree with? In what part of that is it not entirely clear what the intentions are? This has been going on for years. And it doesnt even matter, all these screamers just ignore what are obvious and glaring totally unscientific manipulations of historical record! It's so stupid it's comical. Yet it continues.
This is just like arguing with proponents of welfare. You tell them that these people on welfare have more resources than almost any group throughout human history. That is a cold hard fact. They are rich by historical standards. It isnt helping them. It will never help them. But still it continues. Facts dont matter. People just trudge forward blindly guided by their erroneous beliefs rather than evidence.
When is this stupid crap going to end? They doctor the raw data. Do you even understand what that means? I swear its like trying to make 4 year olds understand. They deliberately change the raw data for what are clearly political purposes. What part of that do you not understand? What part of that do you disagree with? In what part of that is it not entirely clear what the intentions are? This has been going on for years. And it doesnt even matter, all these screamers just ignore what are obvious and glaring totally unscientific manipulations of historical record! It's so stupid it's comical. Yet it continues.
This is just like arguing with proponents of welfare. You tell them that these people on welfare have more resources than almost any group throughout human history. That is a cold hard fact. They are rich by historical standards. It isnt helping them. It will never help them. But still it continues. Facts dont matter. People just trudge forward blindly guided by their erroneous beliefs rather than evidence.
This all coming from the guy who thought the federal government was conspiring to shut down economic indicators if they posted unfavorable news. I'm sure THIS conspiracy is right though, even while you're wrong on all the others.
Have you considered that you may not have a very good sense of how data, science, or government works? You seem to basically be a low information tin foil hat conspiracy guy.
So are you going to fucking deny anything I've said or are you going to blather meaningless claptrap that has jack all to do with the topic at hand? Are you going to say that they didnt change the raw data? Say something frickin meaningful or piss off.
You call it externality, I call it locking folks into unemployment and greatly reduced living standards due to your carbon tax which is in reality a ghetto tax. For example, 70% of all entry level jobs are in the suburbs which you'd make it difficult if not impossible to get to with all your amazing plans to price the poor and lower middle class out of cars and the gasoline to run them.
We get it Glenn. You want to treat the atmosphere like a never ending interest free loan. You can borrow as much as you want for as long as you want and never pay it back because it will never ever ever have an impact on you or anyone else, well at least you.
ES is a rather ingeniously designed fallacy bot. I've been much happier only seeing its ramblings when quoted. I highly suggest you do the same and ignore it.So are you going to fucking deny anything I've said or are you going to blather meaningless claptrap that has jack all to do with the topic at hand? Are you going to say that they didnt change the raw data? Say something frickin meaningful or piss off.
When is this stupid crap going to end? They doctor the raw data. Do you even understand what that means? I swear its like trying to make 4 year olds understand. They deliberately change the raw data for what are clearly political purposes. What part of that do you not understand? What part of that do you disagree with? In what part of that is it not entirely clear what the intentions are? This has been going on for years. And it doesnt even matter, all these screamers just ignore what are obvious and glaring totally unscientific manipulations of historical record! It's so stupid it's comical. Yet it continues.
This is just like arguing with proponents of welfare. You tell them that these people on welfare have more resources than almost any group throughout human history. That is a cold hard fact. They are rich by historical standards. It isnt helping them. It will never help them. But still it continues. Facts dont matter. People just trudge forward blindly guided by their erroneous beliefs rather than evidence.
So are you going to fucking deny anything I've said or are you going to blather meaningless claptrap that has jack all to do with the topic at hand? Are you going to say that they didnt change the raw data? Say something frickin meaningful or piss off.
Sounds like Keynesian stimulus which your side supports.
That's great when you're willing to look at your policies in terms of remote abstracts like "higher prices mean you'll put a timer on your lights" and no one really impacted much if at all. It's entirely different when to have your policy be effective, you need to price energy high enough that people go completely without and you need to look a poor person in the eye and tell them why they shouldn't heat their homes in the winter, be able to afford the gasoline to drive to work, or a large family they'll need to leave some kids behind because you hate SUVs that could haul them all.
Do businesses just pollute for fun? Is it in their mission statements? Is that they end goal, and consumer goods are just a byproduct?
You're as stupid as Jhnnmhklnnklhmn. If people want less pollution from businesses, they could stop buying so much shit. Have gardens in their backyards. Live more subsistence based lifestyles.
By the videos I've seen of Black Friday, I don't think climate change is really what Americans care about.
They adjusted the data to correct for known biases, which is what is done in basically every measurement ever. It would in fact be scientific malpractice NOT to adjust the data to correct these biases.
In this case as in many others you allege massive conspiracies based on no evidence or understanding of the topic at hand and then when your predictions never happen you just ignore it and move onto the next conspiracy. What's more likely, all the climate scientists in the world being involved in a massive conspiracy, or you being ignorant/crazy? Take a minute and think about it.
That's great when you're willing to look at your policies in terms of remote abstracts like "higher prices mean you'll put a timer on your lights" and no one really impacted much if at all. It's entirely different when to have your policy be effective, you need to price energy high enough that people go completely without and you need to look a poor person in the eye and tell them why they shouldn't heat their homes in the winter, be able to afford the gasoline to drive to work, or a large family they'll need to leave some kids behind because you hate SUVs that could haul them all.
Nice straw man & an interesting argument. You rage against "ineffective" policy because it won't bring the doom you say effective policy would. Quite kewl.
We're talking about incremental change brought about by policy. You know, the kind of change like better CAFE mileage that benefits all car buyers. Like higher efficiency ratings in lighting & everything else electrical. Better insulation standards & so forth.
The trend among more affluent people is higher efficiency, even to solar electrical arrays. That holds down energy demand, resulting in better supply for everybody else.
SUV's? I'm sure they'll be around for a long while. They'll just get better mileage. They already do.
What the fuck are you rambling about?
You call it externality, I call it locking folks into unemployment and greatly reduced living standards due to your carbon tax which is in reality a ghetto tax. For example, 70% of all entry level jobs are in the suburbs which you'd make it difficult if not impossible to get to with all your amazing plans to price the poor and lower middle class out of cars and the gasoline to run them.