Congrats climate changers: your efforts are making poll #s go down

[Paratus]

A massive explosion of bio-diversity and total plant tonnage?

Punctuated equilibrium predicts massive jumps in speciation events in the face of rapidly changing environments. Or.... perhaps all that evolution theory is just a fucking myth.

You mean after the extinction event right. Quickly changing environmental conditions kill off the species that can't adapt first. Then the surviving species differentiate as they fill the niches left by the newly extinct.

 

[bshole]

I'm not saying that's the case. I'm saying you haven't proved dickall other than you'll jump to conclusions.

Gee who which current branch of science should that remind you of?

 

[bshole]

You mean after the extinction event right. Quickly changing environmental conditions kill off the species that can't adapt first. Then the surviving species differentiate as they fill the niches left by the newly extinct.

Agreed. New better fitted species evolve. If the geologic record is any indicator, we should gain 2 new species for each 1 that goes extinct. (Warmer climates have had more biodiversity in every single epoch of earth's past within the last 500 million years).

 

[Paratus]

Agreed. New better fitted species evolve. If the geologic record is any indicator, we should gain 2 new species for each 1 that goes extinct. (Warmer climates have had more biodiversity in every single epoch of earth's past within the last 500 million years).

So that will happen on a timescale longer than human civilization has been around. So why is this a good thing for humans in next few hundred years again?

 

[Eli]

A massive explosion of bio-diversity and total plant tonnage?

Punctuated equilibrium predicts massive jumps in speciation events in the face of rapidly changing environments. Or.... perhaps all that evolution theory is just a fucking myth.

Except that's not whats happening, we are witnessing Earth's 6th great mass extinction. Why hasn't there been a "massive explosion of bio-diversity and total plant tonnage" over the last 200 years as CO2 has risen from 275 to 400PPM?

Then there's also the fact that we are witnessing warming in a mere 2-300 years that has taken 100-200k years in the past.

The climate is changing faster than things can adapt. That's the issue.

The good thing about science is that it transcends politics. You seriously think, at any point, the evidence is going to start pointing to the other way? That the Earth isn't warming, that it isn't going through profound changes on unprecedented time scales?

It's like saying we're going to discover the Earth is actually flat. This is well established science.....

We need to be arguing about what to do about it, not whether it's happening or not.

 

[cbrunny]

Ironic that deniers and skeptics are the new Eco-Terrorists.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Ironic that deniers and skeptics are the new Eco-Terrorists.

Some would like to see them punished.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/17/u...ands-imprisonment-for-climate-change-deniers/

 

[ivwshane]

Some would like to see them punished.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/17/u...ands-imprisonment-for-climate-change-deniers/

Of course you misrepresent his actual opinion but that's par for the course for a docsavagefan post.

 

[cbrunny]

Some would like to see them punished.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/17/u...ands-imprisonment-for-climate-change-deniers/

That's not the craziest thing I've read on climate change.

 

[buckshot24]

Tick tock indeed.

You folks have any idea how long the CO2 being emitted right now will affect our biosphere?

You have 3 guesses.

Are you saying we are going to see 2C increase from present temperature in 15 years?

 

[BoberFett]

Hmm...Solar is taking off, hybrid and electric cars are taking off, consumers are replacing incandescent light bulbs with LED'S, meanwhile coal is dying, and fuel efficiency is one of the top demands by consumers, so it sounds like consumers are doing exactly what you think they should be doing or do you think people have piles of money laying around to make big purchases that will have large impacts on their carbon footprints but just aren't interested?

Way to base your views on videos you fucking dumbass! What are you a child?

Then why do Americans overwhelmingly say they don't want their energy rates to go up? If they're conserving energy, it shouldn't matter if rates go up.

Go fuck yourself you useless piece of shit.

 

[senseamp]

Of course people don't want to pay for their externalities, just like people don't want to pay taxes. People want all the benefits with none of the costs. But that's not how the world works. At least not for long.

 

[Zorba]

So how come no one ever suggests mass population control? Increasing population is destroying forests, wetlands and oceans. Not to mention using more and more resources and creating more carbon.

But population control is anti-religion and anti-capitalism, so it'll never get pushed.

 

[tracerbullet]

Of course you misrepresent his actual opinion but that's par for the course for a docsavagefan post.

Eh, he'll say that his statement and the article weren't related and that you're an idiot for jumping to such conclusions. He has a way of writing things that all other people see as connected or as one implying the other, but he'll claim there was no such intent to begin with.

 

[Paratus]

So how come now ever suggestion mass population control? Increase population is destroying forests, wetlands and oceans. Not to mention using more and more resources and creating more carbon.

But population control is anti-religion and anti-capitalism, so it'll never get pushed.

The trick to population control is poverty reduction. Countries with 1st world standards of living have flat to negative birth rates. The only trick to doing it in the third world is to avoid coal in favor of natural gas (short term), solar, wind (long term), and modular nuclear where infrastructure allows.

Do this and the global warming problems get better so does poverty and unrest. Plus if you're a global business would you rather have a market of 1-1.5billion first world customers and 8.5 billion third worlders or 7 billion first worlders?

 

[Jaskalas]

Plus if you're a global business would you rather have a market of 1-1.5billion first world customers and 8.5 billion third worlders or 7 billion first worlders?

Corporate boards want to loot today and golden parachute tomorrow. If they got to nuke a small country to do it then so be it.

 

[MongGrel]

Then why do Americans overwhelmingly say they don't want their energy rates to go up? If they're conserving energy, it shouldn't matter if rates go up.

Go fuck yourself you useless piece of shit.

Why wouldn't they want to conserve energy and have rates go down ?

I see your spreading your happy happy, joy joy opinions once again

 

[ivwshane]

Then why do Americans overwhelmingly say they don't want their energy rates to go up? If they're conserving energy, it shouldn't matter if rates go up.

Go fuck yourself you useless piece of shit.

Speaking of useless piece of shit, could you ask a dumber question?

Why don't you tell us a scenario where people would ask for higher rates?

 

[Zorba]

The trick to population control is poverty reduction. Countries with 1st world standards of living have flat to negative birth rates. The only trick to doing it in the third world is to avoid coal in favor of natural gas (short term), solar, wind (long term), and modular nuclear where infrastructure allows.

Do this and the global warming problems get better so does poverty and unrest. Plus if you're a global business would you rather have a market of 1-1.5billion first world customers and 8.5 billion third worlders or 7 billion first worlders?

I agree, except there is usually a boom in population in that transition from 3rd world to 1st world as medical access, hygiene and food access improve but before there is a large opportunity cost for having a kid. First worlders also use far more resources than 3rd world, although other than resource use first world usually treats the environment better.

I say we offer free sterilization to anyone that wants it as a start.

 

[chucky2]

The trick to population control is poverty reduction. Countries with 1st world standards of living have flat to negative birth rates. The only trick to doing it in the third world is to avoid coal in favor of natural gas (short term), solar, wind (long term), and modular nuclear where infrastructure allows.

Do this and the global warming problems get better so does poverty and unrest. Plus if you're a global business would you rather have a market of 1-1.5billion first world customers and 8.5 billion third worlders or 7 billion first worlders?

You Believers are amazing. You Believe, yet don't do anything yourselves to actually make real strides in reducing carbon emissions (except whine), and then you want to increase an already out of control world population and on top of it, give it a 1st world standard of living vs 3rd world standard of living, which is going to drastically require more carbon consumption to support that standard of living. Forget the Deniers, you all need to work on policing yourselves as the single greatest threat to increased carbon consumption...wtf...

 

[Spungo]

You mean after the extinction event right. Quickly changing environmental conditions kill off the species that can't adapt first. Then the surviving species differentiate as they fill the niches left by the newly extinct.

It's remarkable how quickly evolution happens when it is forced in some way. The Black Death that hit Europe around 1350 is what rapid evolution looks like. Imagine entire villages where not one person survived. The people who survived that plague thrived and repopulated the continent. It's suspected that the Black Death is why Europeans have a higher resistance to HIV. Similarly, Africans have a much higher resistance to malaria. That didn't magically show up overnight. Millions of Africans had to die before that resistance became the norm.

Earth's long term prospects look great, but get ready for a bumpy ride. We can expect a lot of things to go extinct and a lot of newer things to pop up.

 

[sandorski]

You Believers are amazing. You Believe, yet don't do anything yourselves to actually make real strides in reducing carbon emissions (except whine), and then you want to increase an already out of control world population and on top of it, give it a 1st world standard of living vs 3rd world standard of living, which is going to drastically require more carbon consumption to support that standard of living. Forget the Deniers, you all need to work on policing yourselves as the single greatest threat to increased carbon consumption...wtf...

Windfarms, Solarfarms, Electric Cars, stricter Fossil Fuel consumption regulations, Carbon Markets, Carbon Taxes, Hybrid cars, CF Lights, LED Lights, etc are doing nothing?

 

[Paratus]

You Believers are amazing. You Believe, yet don't do anything yourselves to actually make real strides in reducing carbon emissions (except whine), and then you want to increase an already out of control world population and on top of it, give it a 1st world standard of living vs 3rd world standard of living, which is going to drastically require more carbon consumption to support that standard of living. Forget the Deniers, you all need to work on policing yourselves as the single greatest threat to increased carbon consumption...wtf...

Reading comprehension for the loss.

I say use low / no carbon power.
You: It's gonna release to much carbon11!!!! Keep them poorrrr11!!!!!!

Basically what I expect from folks who are physics deniers.

 

[Paratus]

It's remarkable how quickly evolution happens when it is forced in some way. The Black Death that hit Europe around 1350 is what rapid evolution looks like. Imagine entire villages where not one person survived. The people who survived that plague thrived and repopulated the continent. It's suspected that the Black Death is why Europeans have a higher resistance to HIV. Similarly, Africans have a much higher resistance to malaria. That didn't magically show up overnight. Millions of Africans had to die before that resistance became the norm.

Earth's long term prospects look great, but get ready for a bumpy ride. We can expect a lot of things to go extinct and a lot of newer things to pop up.

That wasn't a speciation event. Bshole specifically says biodiversity which means more species.

Folks from before the Black Death would still be able to procreate with people after the Black Death. Hence they were the same species. Still are.

 

[Spungo]

Windfarms, Solarfarms, Electric Cars, stricter Fossil Fuel consumption regulations, Carbon Markets, Carbon Taxes, Hybrid cars, CF Lights, LED Lights, etc are doing nothing?

These things seem more like reactions to market conditions than they are proactions to climate change. The prices rose first, and then technology followed. We would probably all be using regular light bulbs if power were cheap. We would also be driving cars that weigh as much as pickup trucks.

The trick to this climate change situation would be slow but clearly defined changes. By year 2018, item ____ must be ____. By 2020, it must be ____. By 2025, it must be ____.
Look at the way we eliminated asbestos. We just said that new construction can't use it. We didn't mandate existing homes tear it out.
We can also look at things like building fire codes. Those change over a span of years, and with clearly defined schedules. Someone comes up with an idea of mandating emergency fire exits. From there, the law might give people 5 years to comply with this. After 5 years, any building not complying will be shut down until it is compliant.

I'm fine with improving legal requirements and paying for those requirements as long as it's done at a reasonable pace, and I think most people would agree with me on this.