Wonder if Foley was getting tips from Michael Jackson?
And it's obvious Foley forgot to learn from history (from the Reagan/Bush years):
Franklin Coverup
Originally posted by: tommywishbone
... trying to hook-up with a 16 yr old dude. :laugh: Super-ultra-creepy.
Originally posted by: ntdz
Put Foley in jail, his behavior disgusts me.
His sudden resignation as a Congressman, a position he loved, came only hours after he was confronted with e-mails and AOL instant messages he had exchanged with a pair of teenage boys. ABC News since has reported that as many as five boys ? all congressional pages ? have come forward.
WASHINGTON ? Sexually explicit messages from former Rep. Mark Foley to one former congressional page might be just the tip of the iceberg, the leader of an alumni association for former congressional pages told Scripps Howard News Service on Saturday.
While Foley resigned this week after published reports of "friendly" e-mails to one 16-year-old male page and the pending broadcast of more sexually explicit instant messages, similar graphic messages from him were received by at least three other teenage boys who once worked in the page program, said Matthew Loraditch, a Maryland college senior who runs the U.S. House Page Alumni Association's Internet message board. "I've known about them (messages) for several years now," he said Saturday.
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"It was definitely crossing-the-line stuff. The instant message stuff, and stuff I've seen and heard about, definitely couldn't be misconstrued" as merely "friendly" or innocent, Loraditch said.
After Loraditch returned to Maryland and began attending college at Towson University, several male former pages told him they had received Internet messages that were similar to the graphic messages first reported by ABC News last week.
Reynolds, R-N.Y., was told months ago about e-mails sent by Rep. Mark Foley and is now defending himself from Democratic accusations that he did too little. Foley, R-Fla., resigned Friday after ABC News questioned him about the e-mails to a former congressional page and about sexually suggestive instant messages to other pages.
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"Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn't want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me," Reynolds said.
Foley is a posterboy for GOP hypocrisy and a f'n pedophile. The Dems can just stand there, flabbergasted like the rest of us, and rack up the points without even trying. Not only that, the GOP speaker knew about this for months! Can you say election year cover-up?Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey the only thing I see in that article you posted is an attempt by Democrats to score political points out of this.
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was notified early this year of inappropriate e-mails from former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a 16-year-old page, a top GOP House member said yesterday -- contradicting the speaker's assertions that he learned of concerns about Foley only last week. [Link]
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with Amused.
Looking at Foley's overall record, he appears to be a moderate Republican (arguably a Libertarian) that just happened to be a single gay male. Naturally, he couldn't get elected (at least not in his district) as an openly gay male (or as a Libertarian) so he sought office as a closet gay Republican.
Not to excuse his behavior in any way whatsoever . . . but if the guy could limit his sexual appetite (or banter) to consenting adults . . . Congress could use a few more like him.
But for the record, he is at the very least borderline hypocrite. You would have to be the biggest moron on the planet (say George W. Bush) to fail to realize the conflict in making advances even on an ADULT volunteer or staff in Congress. Foley's quotes on Clinton spell it out explicitly.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with Amused.
Looking at Foley's overall record, he appears to be a moderate Republican (arguably a Libertarian) that just happened to be a single gay male. Naturally, he couldn't get elected (at least not in his district) as an openly gay male (or as a Libertarian) so he sought office as a closet gay Republican.
Not to excuse his behavior in any way whatsoever . . . but if the guy could limit his sexual appetite (or banter) to consenting adults . . . Congress could use a few more like him.
But for the record, he is at the very least borderline hypocrite. You would have to be the biggest moron on the planet (say George W. Bush) to fail to realize the conflict in making advances even on an ADULT volunteer or staff in Congress. Foley's quotes on Clinton spell it out explicitly.
Take a look at conjur's video and tell me it's borderline. I don't agree we need more of his kind in congress.
G.O.P. Aides Knew in Late ?05 of E-Mail
WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 ? Top House Republicans knew for months about e-mail traffic between Representative Mark Foley and a former teenage page, but kept the matter secret and allowed Mr. Foley to remain head of a Congressional caucus on children?s issues, Republican lawmakers said Saturday.
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Among those who became aware earlier this year of the fall 2005 communications between Mr. Foley and the 16-year-old page, who worked for Representative Rodney Alexander, Republican of Louisiana, were Representative John A. Boehner, the majority leader, and Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Mr. Reynolds said in a statement Saturday that he had also personally raised the issue with Speaker J. Dennis Hastert.
?Despite the fact that I had not seen the e-mails in question, and Mr. Alexander told me that the parents didn?t want the matter pursued, I told the speaker of the conversation Mr. Alexander had with me,? Mr. Reynolds said.
In a chronology of the episode released later on Saturday, the speaker?s office said Mr. Hastert did not recall any such discussion and had no previous knowledge of the matter. ?While the speaker does not explicitly recall this conversation, he has no reason to dispute Congressman Reynolds? recollection that he reported to him on the problem and its resolution,? the statement said.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with Amused.
Looking at Foley's overall record, he appears to be a moderate Republican (arguably a Libertarian) that just happened to be a single gay male. Naturally, he couldn't get elected (at least not in his district) as an openly gay male (or as a Libertarian) so he sought office as a closet gay Republican.
Not to excuse his behavior in any way whatsoever . . . but if the guy could limit his sexual appetite (or banter) to consenting adults . . . Congress could use a few more like him.
But for the record, he is at the very least borderline hypocrite. You would have to be the biggest moron on the planet (say George W. Bush) to fail to realize the conflict in making advances even on an ADULT volunteer or staff in Congress. Foley's quotes on Clinton spell it out explicitly.
Take a look at conjur's video and tell me it's borderline. I don't agree we need more of his kind in congress.
You misunderstood BBD's point. He was speaking of Foley's voting record, not his sexual desires for 16 year old boys. In fact, he made that caveat and you still choose to misunderstand it.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey the only thing I see in that article you posted is an attempt by Democrats to score political points out of this.
Originally posted by: Zedtom
These scandals almost seem like they're being orchestrated. Rumsfeld is on the hot seat, then suddenly someone falls on his sword to deflect the attention. It's getting too coincidental for some of these events.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Keep it up, alchie.
Go ahead.
Defend this scuzzbucket
House knew about him for a year
I'm sorry you're confused who is defending whom. I fully acknowledge that Foley is a perv pedophile and I won't defend him for a second, and he ought to answer in a court of law, yet a pedophile like Ritter whom supports "your side" - well my "claims" are false according to you! You're the only one defending pedophiles, and you're the only one doing it for politics. Real classy. :roll:
PS: Damn can I call you or what?:
(which he has confirmed entirely in interviews, btw, I'll post the link if you desire, but you'll just dodge this I'm sure).
What's to dodge? Your off-topic rant about nothing? :roll:
And it is nothing. There were charges filed against Ritter but no underage girls were involved. It was a female cop impersonating. And, it was dismissed. Ergo, no crime. Isn't that the definition of our justice system?
So, who's defending pedophiles? You when you continue voting for the party of pedophiles and homophobes (BTW, Ritter is a Republican)
As of Saturday evening, nearly a dozen House GOP lawmakers and staffers have acknowledged that they knew of the initial batch of non-sexually explicit messages from Foley to a 16-year-old former House page, some of them for a year or more. These include Hastert <(IL)>; Majority Leader John Boehner (Ohio); National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.); Reps. Rodney Alexander (La.) and John Shimkus (Ill.); Mike Stokke, the Speaker?s deputy chief of staff; Ted Van Der Meid, Hastert?s counsel; Paula Nowakowski, Boehner?s chief of staff; Jeff Trandahl, the former Clerk of the House; and another Hastert aide and Alexander?s chief of staff, according to public statements and GOP insiders.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
ummmm does Bill Clinton and interns mean anything to you? A lot of people on here defending that as a "personal" issue. So far there is no evidence to suggest that this kid complained about the IMs to anyone or claimed he was being harassed. If anything based on the one I read the kid sort of went along.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
If everything else is disregarded, you still have the little inconveinence of Sexual Harassment in a Federal Workplace,
and Employee Hostile Enviornment.
Major ethical violations that heve been enforced in many corporations.
How do you exempt the personel who collectively make up the Government, from compliance with criminal ethics violations?
The only difference between this and the Monica thing is that this kid was only 16 at the time, if he was 18 this would be a non-story.
BTW: as far as the "many corporations" how many people said that if Clinton was a CEO or worked for a corporation he would have been fired or forced to resign, and rightly so.
Foley did something really bad and has resigned, let the courts decide if he broke any laws.
The party of Bill Clinton should be the last people to lecture about sexual harassment in the work place.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
ummmm does Bill Clinton and interns mean anything to you? A lot of people on here defending that as a "personal" issue. So far there is no evidence to suggest that this kid complained about the IMs to anyone or claimed he was being harassed. If anything based on the one I read the kid sort of went along.
A Republican staff member warned Congressional pages five years ago to watch out for Congressman Mark Foley, according to a former page.
Matthew Loraditch, a page in the 2001-2002 class, told ABC News he and other pages were warned about Foley by a supervisor.
Loraditch, the president of the Page Alumni Association, said the pages were told "don't get too wrapped up in him being too nice to you and all that kind of stuff."
Staff members at the House clerk's office did not return phone calls seeking comment.
Some of the sexually explicit instant messages that led to Foley's abrupt resignation Friday were sent to pages in Loraditch's class.
Pages report to either Republican or Democratic supervisors, depending on the political party of the member of Congress who nominated them for the page program.
Several pages for members of Congress tell ABC News they received no such warnings about Foley, R-Fla.
Loraditch says the some of pages who "interacted" with Foley were hesitant to report his behavior because "members of Congress, they've got the power." Many of the pages were hoping for careers in politics and feared Foley might seek retribution.
Loraditch runs the alumni association for the US House Page Program and he is deeply concerned about the future effects this scandal could have on a program that he sees as a valuable educational experience for teens.
Shurato... I was responding to the "sexual harassment in a Federal Workplace" charge. Anyone who defended Clinton's behavior using that charge to smear Foley is a little off base. Go ahead and call Foley what ever bad name you want, I am sure he deserves them, but don't tell me we should do something about his behavior as a sexual harassment thing when people all looked the other directions when Clinton was getting blown by an intern. BTW: It seems that the dirty IMs came after these guys left the page system, so it is not sexual harassment.Originally posted by: shurato
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
ummmm does Bill Clinton and interns mean anything to you? A lot of people on here defending that as a "personal" issue. So far there is no evidence to suggest that this kid complained about the IMs to anyone or claimed he was being harassed. If anything based on the one I read the kid sort of went along.Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
If everything else is disregarded, you still have the little inconveinence of Sexual Harassment in a Federal Workplace,
and Employee Hostile Enviornment.
Major ethical violations that heve been enforced in many corporations.
How do you exempt the personel who collectively make up the Government, from compliance with criminal ethics violations?
The only difference between this and the Monica thing is that this kid was only 16 at the time, if he was 18 this would be a non-story.
BTW: as far as the "many corporations" how many people said that if Clinton was a CEO or worked for a corporation he would have been fired or forced to resign, and rightly so.
Foley did something really bad and has resigned, let the courts decide if he broke any laws.
The party of Bill Clinton should be the last people to lecture about sexual harassment in the work place.
And the fact is..he was 16 you sick sad soul you. The 2 don't deserve comparisons. Cheating on your wife isn't illegal but pedophillia IS. So you go keep grasping for straws with your unrelenting defense of your party. Please keep it up though, some of us like to come here for amusement... and your quite unintentionally amusing.
It seems that there were tapes of Mel and his 16 year old girlfriend having phone sex and him making comments of wanting to have a threesome with a 15 year old, and yet he never resigned from office and the Democrats never asked him to resign. It wasn't until after he was convicted that he resigned.Rep. Mel Reynolds (D-Ill.)
Freshman Reynolds was indicted on Aug. 19, 1994, on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old campaign worker and then pressuring her to lie about it. Reynolds, who is black, denied the charges and said the investigation was racially motivated. The GOP belatedly put up a write-in candidate for November, but Reynolds dispatched him in the overwhelmingly Democratic district with little effort. Reynolds was convicted on Aug. 22, 1995 of 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography, was sentenced to five years in prison, and resigned his seat on October 1.
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I agree with Amused.
Looking at Foley's overall record, he appears to be a moderate Republican (arguably a Libertarian) that just happened to be a single gay male. Naturally, he couldn't get elected (at least not in his district) as an openly gay male (or as a Libertarian) so he sought office as a closet gay Republican.
Not to excuse his behavior in any way whatsoever . . . but if the guy could limit his sexual appetite (or banter) to consenting adults . . . Congress could use a few more like him.
But for the record, he is at the very least borderline hypocrite. You would have to be the biggest moron on the planet (say George W. Bush) to fail to realize the conflict in making advances even on an ADULT volunteer or staff in Congress. Foley's quotes on Clinton spell it out explicitly.
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
That he was a pedophile means I'd like to see him get burned alive, together with all who defend him.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
That he was a pedophile means I'd like to see him get burned alive, together with all who defend him.
Get real. He didn't lay a finger on anyone. He sent some 16-18 young men (or teenage boys, depending on how you want to spin the situation) some sleazy, inappropriate sexually explicit messages. That is not a crime deserving of a punishment of death. It isn't even pedophilia. Unless every man who has checked out a 16 year old girl is a "pedophile". 16-18 year old boys DO have secondary sexual characteristics. This situation is a pathetic failing on Foley's part, but it shouldn't be the end of his world. I hope he is able to come out of the closet, and be honest about who and what he is.
Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
That he was a pedophile means I'd like to see him get burned alive, together with all who defend him.
Get real. He didn't lay a finger on anyone. He sent some 16-18 young men (or teenage boys, depending on how you want to spin the situation) some sleazy, inappropriate sexually explicit messages. That is not a crime deserving of a punishment of death. It isn't even pedophilia. Unless every man who has checked out a 16 year old girl is a "pedophile". 16-18 year old boys DO have secondary sexual characteristics. This situation is a pathetic failing on Foley's part, but it shouldn't be the end of his world. I hope he is able to come out of the closet, and be honest about who and what he is.
That is all he was caught doing. Who's to say that he hasn't molested some underage kid? Maybe with this out in the open, more people will come forward if they were assaulted by this sick pervert. You never know. We just have to wait and see.