Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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JSt0rm

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your right guys crazy people will be crazy and outside influences dont matter.
 

LTC8K6

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I never said all crazies required motives or encouragement, but some certainly are motivated by outside causes and ideas.

I even explained in my previous post why politicians still should avoid these slogans when crazies aren't motivated by them specifically, and you just ignore it.

Let me know when drowning pool comes out with "Let Gifford's Body Hit The Floor".



Great example. If his opponent was killed people who immediately begin to question why he ran those ads.

And they'd be just as wrong as the people connecting the map to this shooting...

But he's a Dem, so he'd get a big break in the media about it...
 

DucatiMonster696

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I never said all crazies required motives or encouragement, but some certainly are motivated by outside causes and ideas.

I even explained in my previous post why politicians still should avoid these slogans when crazies aren't motivated by them specifically, and you just ignore it.

Let me know when drowning pool comes out with "Let Gifford's Body Hit The Floor".



Great example. If his opponent was killed people who immediately begin to question why he ran those ads.

Are you fucking serious?

Are you saying his reasons behind his attacks were politically motivated because of those slogans that are no where to be found on his youtube page or myspace page? Where is your evidence other then you lame ass assumptions and assertions?
 

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And they'd be just as wrong as the people connecting the map to this shooting...

But he's a Dem, so he'd get a big break in the media about it...

And? Were talking politics, which is about public perception and the media not right or wrong. Using these types of ads and slogans is shortsighted.

Are you fucking serious?

Are you saying his reasons behind his attacks were politically motivated because of those slogans that are no where to be found on his youtube page or myspace page? Where is your evidence other then you lame ass assumptions and assertions?

Feel free to point out where I made my "lame ass assertion" that he did this because of those slogans before you jump down my throat.
 
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JSt0rm

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Are you fucking serious?

Are you saying his reasons behind his attacks were politically motivated because of those slogans that are no where to be found on his youtube page or myspace page? Where is your evidence other then you lame ass assumptions and assertions?

hey buddy I nominate you as

 

DucatiMonster696

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And? Were talking politics, which is about public perception and the media not right or wrong. Using these types of ads and slogans is shortsighted.

This incident had nothing to do with political slogans. How the hell you can draw these conclusions out of thin air that there was some connection between those slogans and the insane act commited by a derange schizo gunmen is fucking astounding.
 

JSt0rm

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This incident had nothing to do with political slogans. How the hell you can draw these conclusions out of thin air that there was some connection between those slogans and the insane act commited by a derange schizo gunmen is fucking astounding.

lol. Your saying that this guy attempting to or possibly killing a member of congress has no political motivations?
 

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This incident had nothing to do with political slogans. How the hell you can draw these conclusions out of thin air that there was some connection between those slogans and the insane act commited by a derange schizo gunmen is fucking astounding.

How stupid are you? Seriously? I've never claimed that any slogans were responsible for what he did.
 

DucatiMonster696

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lol. Your saying that this guy attempting to or possibly killing a member of congress has no political motivations?

Well by all means please explain the political motive (aside from being a deranged schizo) in detail for me.
 
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Steeplerot

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Seems the 22 year old kid might have been a convient schizo pasty.

The Sheriff is looking for the 50 year old white male accomplice. I am buying extra popcorn for when he is caught.

Since AZ is so into making assumptions..ahem someone sure seems like the foxnews/limbaugh profile.
 
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DucatiMonster696

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How stupid are you? Seriously? I've never claimed that any slogans were responsible for what he did.

Your assertion was that is that people should censor what they say because of how "others may take their words seriously". This directly implies that you believe there was some sort of link between these slogans and the motives behind this attack.

I said they should use some sense. First off they're risking someone taking that literally, and second when someone gets assasinated people are going to look at those who campaigned on these slogans and be suspicious so their just putting themselves at unnecessary risk.
 

JSt0rm

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Well by all means please explain political motive (aside from being a deranged schizo) in detail for me.

I cant explain anything about this and its funny you think you can. I'm sure in 1 year everyone will know this guys shoe size if needed. All the facts will come out. We will know whats up. It is very dangerous though to put targets on people as a movement "leader" because you really dont know what will happen.
 

DucatiMonster696

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I cant explain anything about this


Thanks for admitting that you don't know shit and are talking out of your ass.

The only thing I've said so far is that this kid appears to be a a crazy person and that trying to make a connection to this being somehow politically motivated by the "right" is completely out bounds considering there is NO current evidence to even remotely support such a conjecture.
 

Gyhrg71

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Your assertion was that is that people should censor what they say because of how "others may take their words seriously". This directly implies that you believe there was some sort of link between these slogans and the motives behind this attack.

Not it doesn't at all, and I've already said I think otherwise. You're just jumping to a conclusion. I'll just explain everything all over again I guess.

It implies that at some point some crazy person might take an add showing a crosshair over a politician talking about corrupt he is and how he needs to be removed from office as a secret message to go and kill him.

I also explained that it puts the people running these ads in a bad position politically because when there is political violence and assaniations people are going to question why they ran those ads even if they aren't connected. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

In both cases I just don't think it makes sense from a political stand point.
 
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zsdersw

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I tried to explain that life is not simple and that sometimes you have to give up some desires to have in the long run pleasure and benefits from it.

Of course everyone has to make sacrifices, but what you don't seem to understand is that it should not and does not have to be government that decides what is to be given up for there to be a "civilized democracy". We each decide that for ourselves.
 

Steeplerot

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In years to come people will look back on all the right wing rhetoric, division, and doomsday shit when the black man came in office and shake their heads at what pathetic haters they were. Same as the anti-civil rights d-bags who pissed on the term "liberty" by using it as an excuse to hate in the 60s. Teabaggers are an embarrassment and a sign of how far we have to go in our short little over 200 years.

The snake they co-opted on their "flag" is a perfect logo.
 
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JSt0rm

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Thanks for admitting that you don't know shit and are talking out of your ass.

The only thing I've said so far is that this kid appears to be a a crazy person and that trying to make a connection to this being somehow politically motivated by the "right" is completely out bounds considering there is NO current evidence to even remotely support such a conjecture.

uh huh. Then you will excuse us while we speculate on this...

what do you think of what the sheriff had to say?
 

Arkaign

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Disgusting. That nonsense has no place and is extremely dishonorable. Like I said before, I don't care who does it, it's not right and it should be voluntarily stopped. Ridiculous rhetoric and hyperbole like that, be it verbal or visual, is a caustic, divisive, and anger-inspiring kindling that could only possibly please absolute morons.
 

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“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” - Barack Obama

gasp! Obama caused this ahhhhhhhhhh!!!

But seriously, I used to have some respect for the "liberals" in this thread, I usually enjoy coming here and having discussions even though we usually don't agree. But this thread has really made me sick and lose a lot of respect for some people here. Anyway, I'm out, I hope things turn out well for the survivors. Peace.
 
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Arkaign

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“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” - Barack Obama

gasp! Obama caused this ahhhhhhhhhh!!!

Yet another regrettable inappropriate comment, very irresponsible.

I don't think anyone should seriously suggest that one person's rhetoric or other shenanigans was the root cause of this kind of tragic episode, but it remains something that shouldn't be done. Likening political disagreements to brawls, and either verbally or visually representing guns, rifle sights, etc as things to target political enemies with is a horrible state of discourse that cheapens and lowers things considerably.

Listening to one hateful comment or looking at one image of a reticle on a supposed enemy is one thing, but soaking it up over years is not a healthy thing to do.
 

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If anything this thread and event has clearly shown which posters are whacked in the head. If you don't realize that this incident was not politically motivated, the work of a schizo madman and you are still insistent on blaming other people (Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, Rush, the Tea Party, etc) whom had nothing to do with this incident at all then you clearly need to be put in a padded cell IMHO.

Thanks for admitting that you don't know shit and are talking out of your ass.

The only thing I've said so far is that this kid appears to be a a crazy person and that trying to make a connection to this being somehow politically motivated by the "right" is completely out bounds considering there is NO current evidence to even remotely support such a conjecture.

Stop trying to backtrack.
 
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