Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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LegendKiller

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Like the left does with Foxnews? I bet that is different though.


Psst, big corporations have self interests and that includes big media corporations (shocker, I know).

The differences are easy to see but you and I can agree 100% that the media companies don't care about us.

Like the left when Bush/Cheney were in office? I bet that is different as well.

Psst, blind trust of the .gov is even dumber.

Like the left (and some of the right) on things like the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, etc...? Different too?

The fervor around Bush/Cheney had far more to do with their actions with Iraq and the pandering to the rich.

You do realize that this guy wasn't calling into question specific laws but almost ALL laws except those specifically enumerated in the Constitution. He was a "smallest government" guy. He didn't have issues with the PA or wiretaps but EVERYTHING, similar to most teabaggers.

psst, some laws are unconstitutional. That is kinda why we have that 3rd branch of government which includes a body you might have heard of before, the Supreme Court.
He thought almost all were unconstitutional.

Both sides, imo, are fucking insane.

The teabaggers or the die-hard liberals are the "insane" ones. Unfortunately, the right seems to be trying to pander to the extremists far more than the left these days. Sure, the left does it with global warming, but the right does it with images of revolution and violence.
 
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All people are never going to be able to "control themselves".. think first and act later. But that's okay. 100% of the people in a free society don't have to behave a certain way. Rather than look at the actions of the extreme minority and run to the arms of government for the solution, we should accept the fact that there always was and always will be risks in a free society.. and that life never was and never will be entirely fair.

well, it is better to make sure that those few do not cause any harm. There is nothing wrong with that.

No, wrong. The government is not there to protect group rights. It is there to protect individual rights.

As a fair democratic person i would say we are both right on this one. It is to protect the group and the individual.

Yes, I am such a proponent. I don't need a law to tell me many drugs are bad, and neither do the vast majority of people.

Well, that is my issue. You could be high on drugs and you carry a gun.
You can imagine some people might not feel Save ?
But it also clarifies exactly what i expected.


Of course you doubt it... because you're someone on the Internet.

I would doubt you in real life just as much.

Go ahead and talk about yourself, if you must.

What are you saying, that i am part of the big conspiracy ?
That i am a mind controller ? Or that i believe such an entity exists ?
I think you are delusional. Go easy on your stash.


Of course they're all separate problems. The difference between you and me, it would seem, is from what point of view we start when approaching problems. You start from the initial belief that laws and government are good, proper, and essential tools to prevent or address problems... only to concede the opposite when substantial evidence is presented.

I, on the other hand, start from the initial belief that laws and government are not good, proper and, above all, essential tools to prevent or address problems.. only to concede the opposite when substantial evidence is presented.

The way you think in absolutes , i doubt that. But you are always free to explain your point. Perhaps i learn something new.

No. I have as much of a right to be here as you or anyone else.
I have a simple vision on life : You want to eat, you work for it.
And with your mentality, i would think you just come and take what you want.
At least that is how i experience it. Prove me wrong if you like...

I can follow it just fine. You're just far too often hyperbolic and unnecessarily verbose. If it were spoken out loud it would no doubt come across as grandstanding.

It now is obvious to me why you behave as you do. Go easy on the cocaine, individual man. You do know the effects.
 
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her209

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I don't see how that is relevant to my point.
Really? If you believe a law is unconstitutional then no judges will convince you otherwise. Especially when its ACTIVIST judges making the ruling. Look at Roe v. Wade.
 

Darwin333

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It's the same tyranny that Angle or Bachmann advocated. It's the same tyranny that Beck attempts to incite when he creates The Big Lie that he continually harps on (the Progressives are taking over your country, I won't be the one to fall, I will resist!). It's the same tyranny that Palin advocates.

I was having a discussion with a friend on facebook when another guy came into the thread. He went on about how the "slime progressives" are nothing more than communists and any government bigger than a few thousand federal workers was "progressive". He said that any monopoly was government created (even natural monopolies) and "progressive". All "progressives" were akin to Mao, Hitler, or Stalin, and needed to be eliminated from the government. He won't discuss with them, they are merely the enemy. There is no compromising with these people, they deserve no voice in government. He is a huge supporter of Beck, Palin, and Bachmann (he's from MN).

What's actually a bit frightening is that you see some of the same attitudes on here. Anybody left of me is left and "slime". Unfortunately, these types of teabaggers are on the 10% of population statistic, so 90% of everybody else is a "progressive". This attitude isn't one of somebody mentally ill, but of somebody who has been indoctrinated to believe that anybody who isn't 100% aligned with their beliefs are the enemy.

That's sure as hell tyranny, but do you really think Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Angle, O'Donnel really care?

Ever read any of Craig's posts? He often sounds like the "progressive" version of the person you just described.

Point: Plenty of crazy on both sides, you just happen to see the crazy on the side that disagrees with you more than the crazy on the side that agrees with you.
 

Darwin333

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Really? If you believe a law is unconstitutional then no judges will convince you otherwise. Especially when its ACTIVIST judges making the ruling. Look at Roe v. Wade.

My point was that some laws ARE unconstitutional and as proof I mentioned that we have an entire branch of government dedicated to determining the constitutionality of laws. I could name all kinds of rulings the left disagrees with but that isn't the point.
 

zsdersw

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well, it is better to make sure that those few do not cause any harm. There is nothing wrong with that.

Sure there is. No amount of law and government is going to be able to "make sure" that harm is never committed or experienced. Chasing a few on behalf of many is a futile effort that accomplishes nothing.

Well, that is my issue. You could be high on drugs and you carry a gun.
You can imagine some people might not feel Save ?
But it also clarifies exactly what i expected.

The only drugs I use are alcohol and caffeine, on occasion. When I have a headache I sometimes take ibuprofen. I also don't own any guns.

I would doubt you in real life just as much.

Nah... in real life you'd be exposed to idiosyncrasies that are impossible to convey in text over the Internet.

What are you saying, that i am part of the big conspiracy ?
That i am a mind controller ? Or that i believe such an entity exists ?
I think you are delusional. Go easy on your stash.

All of the above is what I think you are or believe.

The way you think in absolutes , i doubt that. But you are always free to explain your point. Perhaps i learn something new.

Well, we have been talking in ideological terms, not specific issues. Present an issue and I'll explain how I approach it.

I have a simple vision on life : You want to eat, you work for it.
And with your mentality, i would think you just come and take what you want.
At least that is how i experience it. Prove me wrong if you like...

I'm not entitled to anything except my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Beyond that, I am not entitled to anything others may have.

It now is obvious to me why you behave as you do. Go easy on the cocaine, individual man. You do know the effects.

It is telling that you think those with whom you disagree are on drugs. It's a way of conveniently dismissing different people and ideas from consideration; a cop-out.
 

Martin

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Ever read any of Craig's posts? He often sounds like the "progressive" version of the person you just described.

Point: Plenty of crazy on both sides, you just happen to see the crazy on the side that disagrees with you more than the crazy on the side that agrees with you.

You're exhibiting the exact problem LK is describing. Craig is simply on the left - if he were Canadian or European his opinions would be pretty much mainstream. And why shouldn't his view be perfectly viable mainstream opinion? He says he likes Stiglitz and Krugman for his economic views - both highly respected Nobel laureates. If you think someone is crazy for liking those two, perhaps you're the one that's unhinged.
 
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This is horrible and I'm really upset over it. My condolences to all those affected by this. To see fuckwits trying to play down the impact of this and the horrible current political climate incited mostly by those on the right sickens me. And spare me any both sides BS. When we have a 24 hour news network and multiple radio stations constantly painting the right as immoral tyrants, spreading unfounded FUD, and generally inciting left-wing nutjobs to violence, then you might have an argument.
 
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Jaskalas

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This is horrible and I'm really upset over it. My condolences to all those affected by this. To see fuckwits trying to play down the impact of this and the horrible current political climate incited mostly by those on the right sickens me. And spare me any both sides BS. When we have a 24 hour news network and multiple radio stations constantly painting the right as immoral tyrants, spreading unfounded FUD, and generally inciting left-wing nutjobs to violence, then you might have an argument.

Not planning on meeting any right-wing Congressman are you? Cause you're as rabid-mad crazy as that shooter. :thumbsdown:
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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You're exhibiting the exact problem LK is describing. Craig is simply on the left - if he were Canadian or European his opinions would be pretty much mainstream. And why shouldn't his view be perfectly viable mainstream opinion? He says he likes Stiglitz and Krugman for his economic views - both highly respected Nobel laureates. If you think someone is crazy for liking those two, perhaps you're the one that's unhinged.

And you're displaying the exact same thing. Craig repeatedly calls everyone to the right of him evil, you just don't notice it because you agree with him. Moonbeam has longed for the death of all conservatives. There are a couple other people around here who get chubbies at the thought of the violent deaths of anybody "on the right." Face it, some people are just crazies.
 

shortylickens

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This thread is filled with awesome. A week into the new year and already we are having epic flames.

VIVA LA 2011!!
 

Zebo

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Hinckley shot Reagan in order to impress Jodie Foster, what kind of political statement was that??

By general definition crazy people are not responsible for their actions and this guy certainly seems crazy.

Now I do think that his target pick was politically motivated, it was probably not a left vs. right decision, but more of just the fact that she was a politician. I am sure that in his mind she slighted him in some way.

He was sane enough to get a weapon. Sane enough to load it. Sane enough to find this event. Sane enough to pull the trigger and kill a bunch of people, including a 9 year old girl.

That's sane enough to be subject to old sparky.
 

Amused

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I've read his stuff and seen his videos.

He's schizophrenic, and in the early stages.

I know the signs, I watched my brother descend into this hell back in the 80s.

Folks, he was kicked out of community college and asked to have a mental examination before coming back. His response was to declare the college unconstitutional and illegal. He's schizophrenic. Period.

This has nothing to do with right or left, liberal or conservative. The guy is mentally ill. Period. Nothing incited this but his own illness.

The way partisans are acting over this is simply disgusting. Face it, the arguments are all in an effort to prove your ideology is correct. How sad that you take such a tragic incident and twist it to validate your ideologies.
 
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Darwin333

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The differences are easy to see but you and I can agree 100% that the media companies don't care about us.

Hey, we agree.

The fervor around Bush/Cheney had far more to do with their actions with Iraq and the pandering to the rich.

Funny that I don't see the same fervor around Obama for, well, pretty much the exact same thing.

You do realize that this guy wasn't calling into question specific laws but almost ALL laws except those specifically enumerated in the Constitution. He was a "smallest government" guy. He didn't have issues with the PA or wiretaps but EVERYTHING, similar to most teabaggers.

Most teabaggers that I know don't have issues with ALL laws. Most do think that the size of the government has gotten out of control which I don't see to be all that unreasonable of a view considering who the .gov really works for.

People who have issues with ALL laws are anarchists and most are indeed batshit crazy, much like this guy.

He thought almost all were unconstitutional.

Because he is batshit crazy.

The teabaggers or the die-hard liberals are the "insane" ones. Unfortunately, the right seems to be trying to pander to the extremists far more than the left these days. Sure, the left does it with global warming, but the right does it with images of revolution and violence.

I would argue that the far left has been more effective at getting shit done, or getting close to actually getting shit done, than the right (the batshit crazy ones on both sides). For the most part, Glenn Beck has only made his true believers poorer. Generally the "leaders" are interested in the same thing though.

With that said, if someone is batshit crazy enough to pull a stunt like this I doubt whatever he latched on to had much influence. If it wasn't one thing it would have been another.
 

Darwin333

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He was sane enough to get a weapon. Sane enough to load it. Sane enough to find this event. Sane enough to pull the trigger and kill a bunch of people, including a 9 year old girl.

That's sane enough to be subject to old sparky.

Damn right. I have never understood the batshit insane (to the point of killing multiple people) defense. If they are that fucking crazy they have no business EVER being in society. Allowing them to influence other crazy fuckers that have a chance at being released into society at some point isn't a great idea either. I can understand if the person is full on mentally retarded but they generally don't write blogs or have the ability to purchase a weapon and plan an assault.
 

Jaskalas

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He was sane enough to get a weapon. Sane enough to load it. Sane enough to find this event. Sane enough to pull the trigger and kill a bunch of people, including a 9 year old girl.

That's sane enough to be subject to old sparky.

I've a simple solution to the argument of insanity. Execute him regardless. Problem solved.
 

Zebo

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A lot of people leaving a slime trail in here.

When someone gets to the point where they are shooting congressmen in the head and murdering 9 year old girls it no longer fucking matters what political affiliation they have. They're just fucking scum. Period.
 

Darwin333

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You're exhibiting the exact problem LK is describing. Craig is simply on the left - if he were Canadian or European his opinions would be pretty much mainstream. And why shouldn't his view be perfectly viable mainstream opinion? He says he likes Stiglitz and Krugman for his economic views - both highly respected Nobel laureates. If you think someone is crazy for liking those two, perhaps you're the one that's unhinged.

That was my point. Craig is on the left and thinks that we should get rid of all of those on the right because he believes they are wrong. There is no reason his opinion shouldn't be perfectly viable just like their is no reason the far rights opinion shouldn't be perfectly viable. I was simply offering a counter to LKs example and you are helping validate it.

And Krugman is either a liar or a proven idiot. I don't have an advanced degree nor am I a noble laureates and I have torn some of his opinions to shreds with basic mathematics. I assume that since he does have a degree that he understands the math at least as well as I do so I figure it is the former but that is just an opinion.
 

alkemyst

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The problem comes from levels of insanity down to those retarded.

Objectively, it makes no sense to keep them in our society. Autistic, Slow, Criminally insane? Where do you draw the line?

If they hurt someone then take them out.

Personally though, I am more in agreement when our laws were handled by gunfire and brawling. Keeps the pencil necks out.
 
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Sure there is. No amount of law and government is going to be able to "make sure" that harm is never committed or experienced. Chasing a few on behalf of many is a futile effort that accomplishes nothing.

Afcourse is nothing to be ideal or utopia. And that is why we have a government to minimize the problems as they might and usually will occur. That is why we have laws to minimize the problems as they might and usually will occur.

The only drugs I use are alcohol and caffeine, on occasion. When I have a headache I sometimes take ibuprofen. I also don't own any guns.

I have heard that before and i doubt it is true.

Nah... in real life you'd be exposed to idiosyncrasies that are impossible to convey in text over the Internet.

Oh , i experience it daily in real life. You would be surprised how much you can learn from people from different cultures and countries.

All of the above is what I think you are or believe.
Well, here i could jump in and say "i knew it !". But will not.
Because if it is true what you are writing then you need to seek some help.
I am just joe average, but i do try to improve myself while staying honest.
In your eyes a crime perhaps...


Well, we have been talking in ideological terms, not specific issues. Present an issue and I'll explain how I approach it.
That is the issue, you are not alone in the world.

I'm not entitled to anything except my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Beyond that, I am not entitled to anything others may have.

When people work together, they can create a situation where they are virtually entitled to more. I mentioned that who does not work shall not eat.
Afcourse, people who want to work but do not have a job must be helped to get back on their feet. People who are unable to work must be determined on a per case basis why they cannot work. There is a reason. If somebody is ill mentally or physically, then that person must be helped. We cannot leave people out in the cold without food, education or a home. That is not the way. The way is that , people work together and take care of each other while respecting each others liberties. And the natural process will be progress. It strikes me that anarchist libertarians only pursue their personal desires ignoring others. What you will get is tribe forming and violence.

It is telling that you think those with whom you disagree are on drugs. It's a way of conveniently dismissing different people and ideas from consideration; a cop-out.

No, i just think you are delusional and that you think of utopias.
I personally say legalize weed. Then people can select between marijuana and alcohol. And all other drugs must stay illegal. That the war on drugs is not working is again a complex problem that can be divided in multiple separate problems.
 
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Darwin333

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A lot of people leaving a slime trail in here.

When someone gets to the point where they are shooting congressmen in the head and murdering 9 year old girls it no longer fucking matters what political affiliation they have. They're just fucking scum. Period.

I have repeatedly asked "whatever happened to plain old batshit fucking crazy"? Some people are just plain fucking crazy and we can't fix that kinda crazy. Hopefully we remove them from society before they do really crazy shit but sometimes we don't.
 
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