Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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Amused

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Fuck you asshole piece of shit for comparing me to that murderer.

Why not? You're attempting to blame it on an entire political party.

The kid is obviously in the early stages of schizophrenia, and both political parties are arguing over who's fault this was in vain attempts to further their ideology.

It's fucking sick. Your post was fucking sick. His reply was fucking sick.
 

JSt0rm

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No, you never did, thats why I was asking you.

Its perfectly fine to get people riled up to go out and vote and go to rallies etc, but not so far as using physical force or "2nd amendment remedies" or that kind of shit, that I disagree with wholeheartedly.

like 3 or 4 people on these forums have talked about using their guns to "defend their liberties" and other weird shit. This guy is just a pea in a pod.
 
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Wishing death on another is not a sign of mental stability.

But it's a damn sight short of flipping out and killing folks. My being upset and you being assholes are why I kept myself from posting anything yesterday. But it looks like I'm still upset and you are still assholes so I'm out.
 

Jaskalas

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I apologize for the direct reference. I should not have done that.

Still, think of it this way. How stable can people be if they think half the country is out to get them and incite violence? At what point does that thought turn to violence? :hmm:

More over, how long can we see a tragedy, point the finger at half the country, and remain a civilized society? I see 27 pages of that right here. That is crazy. That is the sort of crazy that inspires tragedies such as this.
 
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matt0611

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like 3 or 4 people on these forums have talked about using their guns to "defend their liberties" and other weird shit. This guy is just a pea in a pod.

Ah yes, cause this guy was clearly defending his liberties.
Strawman FTL

Liberals never use violence, nope, the three last incidents I can last recall in my memory have all been so called "liberals"

Clay Duke - the schoolboard shooter, railled against the rich, linked to media matters, V for Vendetta symbol

James Lee - Discovery Channel Shooter, wacky liberal environmentalist

Joseph Stack - Guy who flew his plane into the IRS building, railled against the rich, greed, communist quotes

Don't remember the outrage from liberals about these guys around here...oh yes because that wasn't politically convenient for you.

Such fucking fail. You people are pathetic.

Now go continue your hypocritical politcal raging.
 
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JSt0rm

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Ah yes, cause this guy was clearly defending his liberties.
Strawman FTL

Liberals never use violence, nope, the three last incidents I can last recall in my memory have all been so called "liberals"

Clay Duke - the schoolboard shooter, railled against the rich, linked to media matters, V for Vendetta symbol

James Lee - Discovery Channel Shooter, wacky liberal environmentalist

Joseph Stack - Guy who flew his plane into the IRS building, railled against the rich, greed, communist quotes

Don't remember the outrage from liberals about these guys around here...

Such fucking fail. You people are pathetic.

hmm ur examples are fail as they didnt kill anyone and they didnt have political motives spurred on by right wing radio and talking heads.
 

matt0611

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hmm ur examples are fail as they didnt kill anyone and they didnt have political motives spurred on by right wing radio and talking heads.

Joseph Stack killed someone and injured others and Clay Duke shot at people and missed (thats somehow better I guess?)

Such fucking fail again.

And your evidence that right wing talk radio made this guy kill people? Oh right, you have jack shit, thats what I thought.

Please continue your incoherent raging, its quite amusing, we'll probably see you on the news soon.
 
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zsdersw

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Afcourse is nothing to be ideal or utopia. And that is why we have a government to minimize the problems as they might and usually will occur. That is why we have laws to minimize the problems as they might and usually will occur.

Government isn't minimizing the problems. Each of us decides to minimize or maximize our own risks... and that is always how it will be.

I have heard that before and i doubt it is true.

Of course you do.

Oh , i experience it daily in real life. You would be surprised how much you can learn from people from different cultures and countries.

I experience it daily too.

Well, here i could jump in and say "i knew it !". But will not.
Because if it is true what you are writing then you need to seek some help.
I am just joe average, but i do try to improve myself while staying honest.
In your eyes a crime perhaps...

An irrelevant and flippant response.

That is the issue, you are not alone in the world.

That's not an issue.. it's the obvious reality.

When people work together, they can create a situation where they are virtually entitled to more. I mentioned that who does not work shall not eat.
Afcourse, people who want to work but do not have a job must be helped to get back on their feet. People who are unable to work must be determined on a per case basis why they cannot work. There is a reason. If somebody is ill mentally or physically, then that person must be helped. We cannot leave people out in the cold without food, education or a home. That is not the way. The way is that , people work together and take care of each other while respecting each others liberties. And the natural process will be progress. It strikes me that anarchist libertarians only pursue their personal desires ignoring others. What you will get is tribe forming and violence.

You should know that it's "Of course" not "Afcourse". Yes, people working together can create a better life for everyone. What should codify that spirit of cooperation and community is not a government mandate, but a desire to choose such cooperation to reap the benefits. This is not created or fostered by government.

No, i just think you are delusional and that you think of utopias.
I personally say legalize weed. Then people can select between marijuana and alcohol. And all other drugs must stay illegal. That the war on drugs is not working is again a complex problem that can be divided in multiple separate problems.

I don't think of utopias, I think of realities. The decision to use a substance or not to use it must be based on the knowledge that such use is either beneficial or detrimental, not on the arbitrary fact of its legality or illegality. Using some drugs isn't bad because government says it is and has made it illegal... using some drugs it is bad because of the harm it can cause to the user and his/her peers.
 

JSt0rm

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Joseph Stack killed someone and injured others and Clay Duke shot at people and missed (thats somehow better I guess?)

Such fucking fail again.

And your evidence that right wing talk radio made this guy kill people? Oh right, you have jack shit, thats what I thought.

Please continue your incoherent raging, its quite amusing, we'll probably see you on the news soon.

Clay Duke was mad about his wife being fired. This teabagger was mad because the government needed overthrowing. Do you see the difference?
 

dawp

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Blue dog Democratic Congresswoman attacked by a leftist wingnut.

Hmmmm must be Boooshes fault.

There is no proof that the shooter was either left wing or right wing. Nothing has been reported as to motive.
 

matt0611

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Clay Duke was mad about his wife being fired. This teabagger was mad because the government needed overthrowing. Do you see the difference?

Lots of crazy people want to "overthrow the government". The weather underground wanted to "overthrow the government", so fucking what?

This guy talked about the government using mind control and brainwashing to influence our grammar...wtf?

All the evidence you have for him being a "teabagger" is circumstantial at best.



There is no proof that the shooter was either left wing or right wing. Nothing has been reported as to motive.

This, the guy was mentally deranged.

Its pretty disgusting how much people here want to use an incident like this demonize people for politcal gain.

I loathe Sarah Palin too and wish she would just dissapear, but give it a fucking rest will ya?
 
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BoberFett

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Clay Duke was mad about his wife being fired. This teabagger was mad because the government needed overthrowing. Do you see the difference?

Look that the desperate lefty trying to convince himself that his team is better. Pathetic.
 

JD50

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I've read his stuff and seen his videos.

He's schizophrenic, and in the early stages.

I know the signs, I watched my brother descend into this hell back in the 80s.

Folks, he was kicked out of community college and asked to have a mental examination before coming back. His response was to declare the college unconstitutional and illegal. He's schizophrenic. Period.

This has nothing to do with right or left, liberal or conservative. The guy is mentally ill. Period. Nothing incited this but his own illness.

The way partisans are acting over this is simply disgusting. Face it, the arguments are all in an effort to prove your ideology is correct. How sad that you take such a tragic incident and twist it to validate your ideologies.

:thumbsup:
 

JD50

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Clay Duke was mad about his wife being fired. This teabagger was mad because the government needed overthrowing. Do you see the difference?

What teabagger? Are you fucking stupid? Rhetorical question btw.
 

Robor

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It's the same tyranny that Angle or Bachmann advocated. It's the same tyranny that Beck attempts to incite when he creates The Big Lie that he continually harps on (the Progressives are taking over your country, I won't be the one to fall, I will resist!). It's the same tyranny that Palin advocates.

I was having a discussion with a friend on facebook when another guy came into the thread. He went on about how the "slime progressives" are nothing more than communists and any government bigger than a few thousand federal workers was "progressive". He said that any monopoly was government created (even natural monopolies) and "progressive". All "progressives" were akin to Mao, Hitler, or Stalin, and needed to be eliminated from the government. He won't discuss with them, they are merely the enemy. There is no compromising with these people, they deserve no voice in government. He is a huge supporter of Beck, Palin, and Bachmann (he's from MN).

What's actually a bit frightening is that you see some of the same attitudes on here. Anybody left of me is left and "slime". Unfortunately, these types of teabaggers are on the 10% of population statistic, so 90% of everybody else is a "progressive". This attitude isn't one of somebody mentally ill, but of somebody who has been indoctrinated to believe that anybody who isn't 100% aligned with their beliefs are the enemy.

That's sure as hell tyranny, but do you really think Beck, Palin, Bachmann, Angle, O'Donnel really care?

I have a friend through a family member who has this attitude. He claims to be a "reformed liberal" who voted for Kerry in 2004 and saw the light during the 2006 elections. He sends us right wing propaganda about Obama and the Democrats on a regular basis. It's mostly sourced from fringe websites and RE: RE: FW: Emails. Some of this stuff is really out there and the word "enemy" comes up frequently. During the health care debates he warned about the Democrats going against the will of "We the People" saying they (we the people) would stop it and "take back the country" by any means necessary. There is no mistake in the tone or meaning of those messages.

I still do not believe Mrs Giffords and her rally were chosen at random but I guess we will find out in due time. Whatever the reason for these murders, the thinly veiled calls for action (as in violence against "the enemy") by those in the media and government need to stop and stop now. Even if this shooter wasn't influenced by them there are plenty more unstable people who don't need added motivation.
 
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Government isn't minimizing the problems. Each of us decides to minimize or maximize our own risks... and that is always how it will be.
That is the problem, you decide your own risk and you completely ignore the risk you put other people into. Innocent people who have nothing to do with it.

Of course you do.

I experience it daily too.

An irrelevant and flippant response.
Why, because you believe in a great conspiracy that does not exist ?
It makes it very relevant. Ever heard of paranoia ?

That's not an issue.. it's the obvious reality.
An reality you do not seem to like given your political view.

You should know that it's "Of course" not "Afcourse". Yes, people working together can create a better life for everyone. What should codify that spirit of cooperation and community is not a government mandate, but a desire to choose such cooperation to reap the benefits. This is not created or fostered by government.
Well, here is the problem. You have a habit of contradicting yourself :

All people are never going to be able to "control themselves".. think first and act later. But that's okay. 100% of the people in a free society don't have to behave a certain way. Rather than look at the actions of the extreme minority and run to the arms of government for the solution, we should accept the fact that there always was and always will be risks in a free society.. and that life never was and never will be entirely fair.

You see, A government is not only a reflection of the people wishes. But a government states laws for the few individuals that might not behave as a decent human being. A government performs many tasks. And sometimes centralization can have benefits.

I don't think of utopias, I think of realities. The decision to use a substance or not to use it must be based on the knowledge that such use is either beneficial or detrimental, not on the arbitrary fact of its legality or illegality. Using some drugs isn't bad because government says it is and has made it illegal... using some drugs it is bad because of the harm it can cause to the user and his/her peers.

You think of utopias, because at one moment you say that people should be wise enough while at the moment before you say that people cannot become wise enough, there will always be a few that will cause problems. You admit problems will arise but you forget that usually innocent people pay the price.
I agree that people under the influence of drugs can do harm. People are not born wise and smart, people learn on the way and not everyone is in the position to be a perfect human being as only libertarian anarchists can be.

You yourself admit that one person from another is different mentally and physically, yet you completely ignore the effects of what happens when you put people with different views together who do not want to cooperate. Just as the violence preaching political idiots. You need to learn to see with a broader view.
 
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JSt0rm

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Lots of crazy people want to "overthrow the government". The weather underground wanted to "overthrow the government", so fucking what?

This guy talked about the government using mind control and brainwashing to influence our grammar...wtf?

All the evidence you have for him being a "teabagger" is circumstantial at best.





This, the guy was mentally deranged.

Its pretty disgusting how much people here want to use an incident like this demonize people for politcal gain.

I loathe Sarah Palin too and wish she would just dissapear, but give it a fucking rest will ya?

Look that the desperate lefty trying to convince himself that his team is better. Pathetic.


 

hal2kilo

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I wish some of these whiners would come up with any of the visual, verbal examples that you easily are finding from the right.

I listen to a lot of progressive radio, the only personality that I know of that puts out hateful retoric is Mike Malloy, who I won't listen to.
 
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