Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

[zsdersw]

Depends on the government.
You see, there are different ways of executing a government in service of the people. That is again why i say that you only see black and white and not shades of grey.

Depends on the government. If you have a government from a certain political party that fabricates lies to send people to war, then yes it is the wrong government. This has happened a few years ago. But not all politicians are the same. Even from that very same party , there are a lot of honest intelligent people who think first and act later.

I'm referring to the US government.

Well, some people are not always willing to live by those agreements. And then you can boldly claim that you will shoot that person but by the time you have shot that person, a lot of innocent people have died.

Some are not always willing to live by those agreements? What a shocker (/sarcasm). That's not an "unacceptable risk" that government must swoop in to try to correct.. that's life.

And now i end it. Because it becomes boring to me.

Fantastic. You ran out of anything relevant to say a long time ago.

 

[Zebo]

For once I'll agree with you.

If anything, this begs that we spend more money on mental health issues. My new girlfriend works for Agape and she works with the homeless, many who as well as having substance abuse issues are mentally disturbed and schizophrenic. Although, I grew up in the One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest generation, I think the laws regarding involountary commitment need to be revamped.

Mental health diagnosis and treatment in this country is appalling. Conservatives don't want to pay for it and liberals don't really make it an issue compared to bigger issues so it has almost zero funding and treatment. Even those institutionalized as long as a patient can wash and dress himself every effort is made to force the institutions to release them. Let the prisons have them if they are violent. Streets if they are not showing signs. Even the military is very reluctant to treat PTSD and other ailments of their own soldiers. And of course military whom rejected this psycho didn't refer him to an mental health authority. It's a damn shame how we throw people away.

Way I look at it is you can cull them from the heard like families and society did in the past or you can deal with it. This in between shit leads to many many murders every year.

 

[schneiderguy]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday.

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Another vocal supporter for gun control, Illinois Rep. Mike Quigley, told POLITICO that he hopes “something good” can come from the Arizona tragedy – perhaps discussion on a new assault weapon ban, sales at gun shows and tracing measures.

That didn't take long. I'm glad we have geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy running our government.

 

[sMiLeYz]

And here you have it folks. It is now official Democrat policy to use the deaths as a political football.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47294.html#ixzz1AagESzZa

LOLOL!!! You mean like how Republicans used the tragic death of 3000 people in 2001 to start an unnecessary war and win elections?

This video still cracks me up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcz4_JL5b7c

Am I suppose to believe that Republicans wouldn't start exploiting the tragedy if it was a Republican senator that was shot instead of a Democratic one? Now we have a bunch of conservatives making excuses for overheated rhetoric, and calling for restraint in blaming when it was quite obvious that the suspect was an anti-government psycho.

Democrats should call it for what it is- Terrorism.

 

[hal2kilo]

Mental health diagnosis and treatment in this country is appalling. Conservatives don't want to pay for it and liberals don't really make it an issue compared to bigger issues so it has almost zero funding and treatment. Even those institutionalized as long as a patient can wash and dress himself every effort is made to force the institutions to release them. Let the prisons have them if they are violent. Streets if they are not showing signs. Even the military is very reluctant to treat PTSD and other ailments of their own soldiers. And of course military whom rejected this psycho didn't refer him to an mental health authority. It's a damn shame how we throw people away.

Way I look at it is you can cull them from the heard like families and society did in the past or you can deal with it. This in between shit leads to many many murders every year.

I think the homeless have become a pawn of both sides. The conservatives just don't care or worse, use them as an example of what's wrong with the welfare state, and the liberals use them a poster children for to the economic woes of this country. Seriously, it's a major mental health issue with the bulk of them.

 

[Zebo]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html



That didn't take long. I'm glad we have geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy running our government.

Yeah we can be like Mexico which has the strictest gun laws in the world bar none. It's basically impossible to get a gun and ammunition legally. Funny those laws hasn't done a damn thing to stop the violence. But it has turned law-abiding Mexican citizens into targets in a shooting gallery, and 15,000 died last year alone - based on population you have more a chance of dying from a gun shot wound in Mexico than a car accident in USA let alone murder with Mexico's far-stricter gun laws.

 

[LegendKiller]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html



That didn't take long. I'm glad we have geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy running our government.

Giffords was pro-gun herself.

 

[exdeath]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html



That didn't take long. I'm glad we have geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy running our government.

That nasty old bat has been introducing anti gun bills every session, nothing new from her. Rest of congress ignores her, her bills never even get heard in committee.

 

[dawp]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html



That didn't take long. I'm glad we have geniuses like Carolyn McCarthy running our government.

Well, considering what happened to her family in '93, I can't really blame her for have those views.

On December 7, 1993, her husband, Dennis, was killed and her son, Kevin, severely injured, on a Long Island Rail Road commuter train at the Merillon Avenue station, when a mass murderer, Colin Ferguson, opened fire on random unarmed passengers.[4] Ferguson killed six and wounded 19 others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy

gun control is the issue that got her into congress in the first place.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

LOLOL!!! You mean like how Republicans used the tragic death of 3000 people in 2001 to start an unnecessary war and win elections?

This video still cracks me up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcz4_JL5b7c

Am I suppose to believe that Republicans wouldn't start exploiting the tragedy if it was a Republican senator that was shot instead of a Democratic one? Now we have a bunch of conservatives making excuses for overheated rhetoric, and calling for restraint in blaming when it was quite obvious that the suspect was an anti-government psycho.

Democrats should call it for what it is- Terrorism.

The error in your argument and your overall logic stems from your false belief that "Right wing Rhetoric caused this incident or influence the shooter" which is patently false.

The facts don't bare witness to your conclusions and in fact you are yourself directly engaged in the same style of "Rhetoric" you claim to loath. Even the video you linked is dripping with the same style of distortion and rhetoric you are talking about by using 2 wrongs to make a right.

 

[schneiderguy]

Well, considering what happened to her family in '93, I can't really blame her for have those views.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy

gun control is the issue that got her into congress in the first place.

She should ban trains instead, without them her husband's death would have never happened.

 

[IGBT]

Jared Loughner is described as a "left-wing political radical."
​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."..so the guy was a liberal KOOK and doper. So how much dope do you think he smoked before loading up the glock and heading out to the crowd??

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

 

[NesuD]

This suspect is a stereotypical teabagger. Stupid. Easily manipulated. Willing to blame everyone for his problem. Poorly educated. Gun lover.

I can't imagine a better person to rile up

Stereotypes are almost never an accurate reflection of the truth. Do you really know that he is stupid, easily manipulated, and poorly educated? do you really know this person well enough to say these things with any semblence of credibility? No you do not. Your just another moron sitting in front of your computer throwing assumptions out there as if they are truth to support a biased ideological position.

I don't know you but I can easily make the some assumptions about you and make them with a bit more credibility since you have seen fit to personally demonstrate the attributes on this forum. I will say you are probably fairly well educated whether formally or self educated is not possible to ascertain at this time. Stupid? While i am loathe to call someone stupid I will say that citing a stereotype to support a position is probably not the smartest way to make an argument. Gun Lover? What is the criteria for that? Blaming everyone? Personally I can't make much sense out of anything that has been attributed to him. Mostly looks like rambling nonsense. I certainly at this time would not make any assumptions on his motivations with the little bit of garbled information that i have seen so far.

You sir should take a step back and work on your objectivity. Ignoring stereotypes and considering facts is a good place to start.

 

[CLite]

She should ban trains instead, without them her husband's death would have never happened.

You are comparing a machine meant to transport goods and services to an instrument meant to bring death upon that which it is fired at. OK.

 

[anana]

You are comparing a machine meant to transport goods and services to an instrument meant to bring death upon that which it is fired at. OK.

You failed to read the bleeding sarcasm in schneiderguy's comment.

Furthermore, an argument can easily be made that the train brought death upon that which was in its immediate path and that a firearm transports lead delivery.

Strange how so many in the forum are interested in computing etc which are complex systems bound by rules... why the sudden gaps in thinking? Let us not forget of the is/ought gap a.k.a. descriptive/prescriptive divide.

 

[Vette73]

Jared Loughner is described as a "left-wing political radical."
​A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon.

Caitie Parker did not immediately respond to our request for an interview, but her "tweets" in the hours after the shooting paint a picture of Jared Loughner as a substance-abusing loner who had met Giffords before the shooting. She says, Loughner described the congresswoman as "stupid and unintelligent."..so the guy was a liberal KOOK and doper. So how much dope do you think he smoked before loading up the glock and heading out to the crowd??

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

well 1 blog on the internet must be true. Why wait for the facts when you and other nuts have little to no idea what he was thinking when he did this can just make a blog about it and then everybody knows.

 

[Jaskalas]

She should ban trains instead, without them her husband's death would have never happened.

We need Big Sis to strip search and grope everyone using trains. Better yet, everyone attending a town hall meeting. What kind of budget would that require? hmm... :hmm:

 

[CLite]

Furthermore, an argument can easily be made that the train brought death upon that which was in its immediate path and that a firearm transports lead delivery.

Strange how so many in the forum are interested in computing etc which are complex systems bound by rules... why the sudden gaps in thinking? Let us not forget of the is/ought gap a.k.a. descriptive/prescriptive divide.

It is funny to read posts from people that think they are intellectuals because they can philosophize about gaps in thinking. I can state that a flower can be construed as an instrument of death because some people have allergies, but that doesn't mean I have somehow bridged the gap between flora and guns. In the real world there is no comparison between an instrument designed for killing people and animals to an instrument designed to transport goods and services.

 

[sportage]

Medically speaking... her next big obstacle will be a condition setting in called vasal spasms. Anytime blood bleeding is introduced in the brain due to any head injury, that blood acts like a toxin and after 48-72 hours can and most likely will cause the brain to suffer stoke-like condition from the toxin reaction, where the blood flow is restricted and nearly shut off by the veins contracting, called vassal spasm. People can survive head trauma, but may not survive the vassal spasm that almost always follow. Doctors treat this condition differently. Some prefer going in and using surgery, but since the brain has already been damaged severely from trauma, introducing more surgery can cause more problems than it solves. The other treatment method often used is to force raise the bodies blood pressure by medication, to hopefully force and keep those veins in the brain open and flowing.
More issues will arise from the body trying to remove the blood pools in the brain from the brain trauma. Thats where the spinal cord and spinal fluid come in. The spinal cord constantly circulates spinal fluid from the brain. This spinal fluid is very thin or watery in nature. Blood cells are much thicker than spinal fluid. The "spilt" blood cells, that the spinal fluid tries to remove from the brain, plugs up the spinal cord circulation system causing backup swelling in the brain. They usually treat this swelling in the brain by actually drilling a hole in the brain cavity and inserting a drain tube. Hopefully this will reduce swelling while the spinal cord tries to remove the spilt blood cells from the brain.
In short, this lady is in for a long hard recovery. Surviving the initial gunshot is only half the battle. She needs a lot of prayers from everyone.
(no Im not a doctor.. I just play one on TV)

 

[dmcowen674]

In short, this lady is in for a long hard recovery. Surviving the initial gunshot is only half the battle. She needs a lot of prayers from everyone.
(no Im not a doctor.. I just play one on TV)

Thanks Joey

Really she was killed, should she survive, it's a matter of how much of her comes back but she will be forever changed, very much like Brady.

Sad

 

[sMiLeYz]

The error in your argument and your overall logic stems from your false belief that "Right wing Rhetoric caused this incident or influence the shooter" which is patently false.

The facts don't bare witness to your conclusions and in fact you are yourself directly engaged in the same style of "Rhetoric" you claim to loath. Even the video you linked is dripping with the same style of distortion and rhetoric you are talking about by using 2 wrongs to make a right.

You lack reading comprehension and context apparently.

Amused claimed Democrats are too quick to politicize the tragedy, my response: pointing out how Republicans treated 9/11 like campaign slogan for years.

 

[sportage]

So what did we decide? Should the plug be pulled on Rush's radio show today, to save listeners from more of his self righteous BS (and possibly setting off another shooter)?
And would anyone like to volunteer one of their socks to stuff in Sarah Palin's mouth?
Anyone?
Doesn't matter if its clean or the color...
Might need two or three to fill that mouth of hers.
I hope Sarah is feeling that special "pretty feeling" today....
I really hope she is.

 

[shiner]

So what did we decide? Should the plug be pulled on Rush's radio show today, to save listeners from more of his self righteous BS (and possibly setting off another shooter)?
And would anyone like to volunteer one of their socks to stuff in Sarah Palin's mouth?
Anyone?
Doesn't matter if its clean or the color...
Might need two or three to fill that mouth of hers.
I hope Sarah is feeling that special "pretty feeling" today....
I really hope she is.

Bravo! You have managed to achieve a Mclevel of retarded in this thread.

 

[TechAZ]

Anyone have a running list of retards who are blaming "the right" and Sarah Palin in all of these threads? I'd like to be able to put unstable, common sense-devoid idiots on an ignore list all at once. Never know when you will see them in a different thread and should know to not take what they say seriously.

 

[Amused]

You lack reading comprehension and context apparently.

Amused claimed Democrats are too quick to politicize the tragedy, my response: pointing out how Republicans treated 9/11 like campaign slogan for years.

That's called "deflection." It is irrelavnt and rather pointless, as I am hardly republican. So saying, "B-B-B-But Johnny did it too!" doesn't fly with anyone past their teens.