Connect3d Radeon 9500 L RAM red pcb

[ferrarifreak93]

Are most guys using the omega or wizzard drivers?

 

[saechaka]

omega

 

[akaricke]

For those who missed out, connect3d is selling the card direct from their website for 149. Text
Thanks to Leonowski for this find.

Return Policy
All Products purchased via Connect3D Inc?s Online store can be returned within 30 days of the order, for a full refund of the purchase, minus all shipping costs. Please reply to your order confirmation email, expressing your intentions and an RMA Number will be given. PRODUCT RETURNED WITHOUT AN RMA NUMBER WILL BE SENT BACK! The board being returned must be in resalable condition and include all materials including the outer box, CDs, cables, and any manuals that shipped with the product or credit will not be given and the product will be returned back to customer.

Thanks to OulOat

 

[Seizure]

thanks. I'm in for one. $158 shipped.

Shipping was $9 UPS ground

 

[Pothead]

so tempting...

 

[OulOat]

Originally posted by: Seizure
thanks. I'm in for one. $158 shipped.

Shipping was $9 UPS ground

Tell us how it was

 

[Seizure]

kind of funny. Mark from Connect3d called me up thanking me for my purchase and how I heard about their new site. And I told them through Anandtech hot deals. Maybe we'll get a special or something and if we do, remember who started it. Yours truly.

 

[uwannawhat]

I'm really on the edge as to whether I should get this now or wait for a better deal. Sounds like this card, direct from Connect3d will be the same as the one newegg had but is this card 256bit as well?

Be very interested to hear what you get Seizure.

 

[PeterPan76]

Originally posted by: Seizure
kind of funny. Mark from Connect3d called me up thanking me for my purchase and how I heard about their new site. And I told them through Anandtech hot deals. Maybe we'll get a special or something and if we do, remember who started it. Yours truly.

Seizure you have major EGO issues. (Parents didn't love you enoug) j/k

LOL

I am looking for a Video Card as well but it seems the 9600 Pro has better chances of OC than the 9500 Pro. Regardless, most of the 9500 pro are returns from others who weren't able to OC them in the first place.

9500 about the same price as 9600 Pro.

 

[Seizure]

Originally posted by: PeterPan76

Originally posted by: Seizure
kind of funny. Mark from Connect3d called me up thanking me for my purchase and how I heard about their new site. And I told them through Anandtech hot deals. Maybe we'll get a special or something and if we do, remember who started it. Yours truly.

Seizure you have major EGO issues. (Parents didn't love you enoug) j/k

LOL

I am looking for a Video Card as well but it seems the 9600 Pro has better chances of OC than the 9500 Pro. Regardless, most of the 9500 pro are returns from others who weren't able to OC them in the first place.

9500 about the same price as 9600 Pro.

They only dropped me a few times. It wasn't that bad.


On a side note. I don't think you can softmod a Radeon 9600 pro or a 9500 pro. It has to be a Radeon 9500 NON pro.

 

[Pothead]

Originally posted by: PeterPan76

Originally posted by: Seizure
kind of funny. Mark from Connect3d called me up thanking me for my purchase and how I heard about their new site. And I told them through Anandtech hot deals. Maybe we'll get a special or something and if we do, remember who started it. Yours truly.

Seizure you have major EGO issues. (Parents didn't love you enoug) j/k

LOL

I am looking for a Video Card as well but it seems the 9600 Pro has better chances of OC than the 9500 Pro. Regardless, most of the 9500 pro are returns from others who weren't able to OC them in the first place.

9500 about the same price as 9600 Pro.

It's all about the pipe lines!

 

[PeterPan76]

I read that OC the clock and ram on a 9600 Pro can reach levels very close to the 9700 Pro.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: PeterPan76
I read that OC the clock and ram on a 9600 Pro can reach
levels very close to the 9700 Pro.

PeterPan, the 9600 Pro has a 128-bit memory interface and 4 pipelines. The L-Shape 9500NP has a 256-bit memory interface and 4 pipelines (8 pipelines if successfully modded). The 9500 Pro has a 128-bit memory interface and 8 pipelines. The 9700 has a 256-bit memory interface and 8 pipelines. Overclocking the 9600 will in no way make up for its deficiencies. When all of these cards are overclocked, the 9600 Pro is the worst of the lot. It's the equivalent of a standard, 128-bit, 4-pipeline 9500NP with better overclocking potential.

 

[PeterPan76]

PLEASE READ!

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/radeon_9600_pro_overclocked/page15.asp

and this

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/print_article.asp?current_section=Hardware&fs_article_id=1229

There are a whole bunch of other reviews that say the same thing. Let me what you think.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: PeterPan76
PLEASE READ!

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/radeon_9600_pro_overclocked/page15.asp

and this

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/print_article.asp?current_section=Hardware&fs_article_id=1229

There are a whole bunch of other reviews that say the same thing. Let me what you think.

I think YOU need to read. It's not fair to overclock one card and not the other. LIKE I SAID, when all cards are overclocked, the 9600 Pro is the worst of the lot. At best it's the equivalent of an overclocked, unmodded L-Shape 9500NP. I also don't see an unmodded, L-Shape 9500NP in those graphs. I also don't think those 9600 overclocked numbers are very accurate. The first batch of 9600 Pros overclocked like mad. The newer aren't doing as well. Low 500s is more realistic on the core which would put it well below the overclocked 9500 Pro.

So you really want to know what I think? You're a newb who can't get past deceptive model numbers. Sorry. To say a 9600 Pro is going to perform like a 9700 overclocked is ridiculous.

 

[PeterPan76]

LOL.

Man hold on your horses. Dont get all protective and closing the shell or yours so fast. It just funny how defensive people get. Now kid, I started overclocking 486DX back in the days, do you know about the ABIT-BP6, the ABIT-KT7RAID, NVIDIA TNT, etc? Kid first, lesson dont get so defensive right away. There is nothing wrong with being "WRONG".

The argument is very simple, the intention of buying a 9500 is to overclock it and make it faster. The intention of buying a 9600 pro are the same. Now if you finish reading the reviews from many sites on the web. What do you see? that if you overclock a 9600 pro you can get close to a 9700 pro.

Discussion on oc 9500 and oc 9600

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/radeon_9600_pro_overclocked/page9.asp

You must be pissed because you just bought a 9500 recently??

Kids nowadays. The future doesn't look very bright.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: PeterPan76
LOL.

Man hold on your horses. Dont get all protective and closing the shell or yours so fast. It just funny how defensive people get. Now kid, I started overclocking 486DX back in the days, do you know about the ABIT-BP6, the ABIT-KT7RAID, NVIDIA TNT, etc? Kid first, lesson dont get so defensive right away. There is nothing wrong with being "WRONG".

The argument is very simple, the intention of buying a 9500 is to overclock it and make it faster. The intention of buying a 9600 pro are the same. Now if you finish reading the reviews from many sites on the web. What do you see? that if you overclock a 9600 pro you can get close to a 9700 pro.

You must be pissed because you just bought a 9500 recently??

Kids nowadays. The future doesn't look very bright.

What does overclocking a 486 have to do with video card knowledge or the Radeon line? I've already outlined why your post is ignorant. The 9600 Pros on sale today will not match those numbers. It was a golden sample.

BTW, I've actually owned the L-Shape 9500NP and now own a 9800 Pro. I'm speaking from personal experience and from reading a plethora of disappointed 9600 overclockers who aren't approaching Firingsquad's lofty numbers. I'm also 26 "kid."

 

[PeterPan76]

1.-A video card has a GPU, a computer has a CPU. A video card has Memory (RAM), a computer has RAM, a video card has a bus and computer has well. If you can't see the similarities now?. How do you overclock a video card? raising the clock speed and the ram. Where did this come from? from the days when you people increase the clock cycle on the bus. (CPU multiplier x Bus speed). The higher the cycle the faster it runs. Same with a video card. I will not go into details.

2.-Now let's talk about pipelines. Of course the larger number of pipelines the better. You are a little bit bright!!. But you are forgetting the speed of the memory which also affect how much can pass through those pipes of yours. Not as bright as I expected.

You know for a 26 year old, you are very inmature. Grow up. dont be so defensive.

 

[aldamon]

Definition of Golden Sample: Exceptionally performing product given to gullible review sites like Firingsquad in order to deceive the general public.

9600s today are scoring in the low 500s on the core. Those numbers will NOT match a 9500 Pro overclocked let alone a 9700.

Catching on yet or are you still hung up on the only thing that "proves" your ridiculous points?

Enough of this. Go buy your 9600 Pro and enjoy!

 

[Gabbage]

Shoot.

No one mentioned that these drivers are only for Windows 2000/XP.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: aldamon
9600s today are scoring in the low 500s on the core. Those numbers will NOT match a 9500 Pro overclocked let alone a 9700.

Some (mine) will not quite make 450... ATi really tampered with their process somehow. Yes, mine is a built-by-ATi card, OEM as far as I can tell.

The one place the 9600 Pro beats its contemporaries is shader performance. Since it has the same number of shaders as similar card (4), it shades 1.5-2x as fast due to the difference in clock speed. Example:
9500 Pro - 275MHz clock, 4 shaders yields 1100 shaderhertz <- I made this up, just clock * shaders
9600 Pro - 400MHz clock, 4 shaders yields 1600 shaderhertz

Some benchmarks I've toyed around with have held up this theory. My old 4200 kept pace with this 9600 Pro in ever benchmark in 3dMark01, except shaders.

Does this mean anything? Dunno. Could be why the 9600 Pro kills everything on FPS/$ in HL2 according to Valve.

 

[leonowski]

Enough of this. Go buy your 9600 Pro and enjoy!

My thoughts exactly - he will find out on his own.

9600 isn't worth the money. Only us INmature people understand that.

 

[TraderGordo]

FYI: Just posted in the other thread, but my $133 enet card (9500np) just arrived today and it modded flawlessly. Went from 2659 to 4151 in 3DMark2003 and I just overclocked it to 331/290 with zero artifacts (update: oc score=4483).

enet has free shipping, shipped same day I ordered, arrived in 2 days. Couldn't be happier with them despite real bad reseller ratings.

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: TerryMathews

Originally posted by: aldamon
9600s today are scoring in the low 500s on the core. Those numbers will NOT match a 9500 Pro overclocked let alone a 9700.

Some (mine) will not quite make 450... ATi really tampered with their process somehow. Yes, mine is a built-by-ATi card, OEM as far as I can tell.

The one place the 9600 Pro beats its contemporaries is shader performance. Since it has the same number of shaders as similar card (4), it shades 1.5-2x as fast due to the difference in clock speed. Example:
9500 Pro - 275MHz clock, 4 shaders yields 1100 shaderhertz <- I made this up, just clock * shaders
9600 Pro - 400MHz clock, 4 shaders yields 1600 shaderhertz

Some benchmarks I've toyed around with have held up this theory. My old 4200 kept pace with this 9600 Pro in ever benchmark in 3dMark01, except shaders.

Does this mean anything? Dunno. Could be why the 9600 Pro kills everything on FPS/$ in HL2 according to Valve.

I like your analysis (LOVE the shaderhertz unit) but the real reason why the 9600 kills everything in Valve's HL2 value chart is because the 9500 Pro, 9700 NP, 9800 NP and 128MB 9800 Pro are not on the chart. Its lead would disappear if these other cards were represented.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: aldamon
I like your analysis (LOVE the shaderhertz unit)

Ehhh, it should be a valid unit of measure. As I understand it, the shaders operate independentally of the rendering pipelines and of each other. So, each shader should be able to do whatever it can per clock irregardless of what everything else is doing. Since the 9600 Pro has the highest core clock of any of their video cards, it should have the highest shader performance since all ATi cards only have 4 shaders.

Maybe a video architecture expert can chime in and tell us if this extra shader power is of any use at all.