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Retro Rob

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I know one thing for sure (my wife and I were talking about this on our walk tonight)....the fact that parents can't bust their kids ass without getting arrested these days. A whole generation has now grown up with these stipulations. Anyone else notice the age of the killers lately?

I'm so really sick over the entire thing. There are 20 families, and countless others that are indirect, that are living a pure hell right now....a parents worst nightmare. I don't even know what to say anymore.....the grief is beyond miserable.

RIP and may God watch over and help the families get through this as well as helping the kids that had to see this happen. So very sad and senseless...so very sad.

Very good point.

Not to mention, they sometimes don't know what's going on with them -- most have both parents that work to pay off huge debts to fund a lifestlye and are't in their kids lives at times.

I concur with the rest, very sad...
 

lotus503

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"Whether or not guns should be controlled won't help the grief-stricken parents tonight when they go home and see unwrapped Christmas presents under the tree.
It won't help them when they see the drawings on the fridge, the homemade ornaments. It won't help the silence seem normal. It won't change the fact that there are parents tonight who will tuck NOBODY in bed after years of doing so."

Above Posted on FB it helped me keep it in context.

Tonight I am spending more time with my girls, maybe play a board game or something or just cuddle up on the couch. As pissed as this makes me and as much as I am tired of the lack of ability for this country to have honest dialogue about the issue. Tonight for me is about cuddles and smiles and a deep damn apperciation that I dont have to bury a child.
 
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We need to start doing something about the mental health of the American male population. Maybe some mandatory yearly mental screenings or something. This is getting out of control now.
 

jackstar7

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It is that; however, the founders of this country didn't intend to have citizens blindly trust their government. In fact, it was/is expected for citizens to be critical and to continually question motives of our government. Based on the history of other nations acts and some trending negative actions right here in the US I'd say they were right.

A government by the people and for the people comes with certain caveats. When Constitutional rights are degraded then the other-izing comes into play.

We have three active means of questioning the goverment: 1. The media. 2. Elections. 3. Letters/emails.

Are you saying we need to be armed to preserve our rights? Because I'm pretty sure any time the government wants to, it can just come and take away anything it wants from you, most easily your life. Whatever you've got ain't going to stop a tank or a sniper who has been told that you are the enemy.
 

jackstar7

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Look guys, one thing to keep in mind is that if there were no guns, then all those kids wouldn't have even been in school. They would have been in their Government Indoctrination Camps being trained to serve at the feet of government for the betterment of everyone but themselves while singing hymns to their leader Obama. And also this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone.


/satire
 

dmens

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Look guys, one thing to keep in mind is that if there were no guns, then all those kids wouldn't have even been in school. They would have been in their Government Indoctrination Camps being trained to serve at the feet of government for the betterment of everyone but themselves while singing hymns to their leader Obama. And also this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone.


/satire


Because public schools aren't prison-daycare indoctrination camps run by the government. A broken clock is right twice a day.
 

Angry Irishman

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We have three active means of questioning the goverment: 1. The media. 2. Elections. 3. Letters/emails.

Are you saying we need to be armed to preserve our rights? Because I'm pretty sure any time the government wants to, it can just come and take away anything it wants from you, most easily your life. Whatever you've got ain't going to stop a tank or a sniper who has been told that you are the enemy.

That's a very common opinion but what you forget is the average soldier is an American first, a citizen, a dad, brother, husband, and understands the rights they have sworn to defend.

I'm retired military and I can tell you that my opinions aren't just my own regarding the question of being faced with military actions against fellow Americans. Most simply would not participate and most would tell you if it did happen it wouldn't be a very easy fight.

Yes I am saying that one of the reasons weapons are a right is to preserve our Constitutional rights as Americans. God help any foreign invaders as well.

As far as elections, the media and letters and such most Americans would rather worry about dancing with the stars events unfolding or what's the latest Apple product to aquire.
 
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Angry Irishman

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Look guys, one thing to keep in mind is that if there were no guns, then all those kids wouldn't have even been in school. They would have been in their Government Indoctrination Camps being trained to serve at the feet of government for the betterment of everyone but themselves while singing hymns to their leader Obama. And also this guy wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone.


/satire

That couldn't possibly happen to any countries citizens...could it? I wonder if this situation ever really did play out? I wonder....


also satire
 
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jackstar7

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That's a very common opinion but what you forget is the average soldier is an American first, a citizen, a dad, brother, husband, and understands the rights they have sworn to defend.

I'm retired military and I can tell you that my opinions aren't just my own regarding the question of being faced with military actions against fellow Americans. Most simply would not participate and most would tell you if it did happen it wouldn't be a very easy fight.

Yes I am saying that one of the reasons weapons are a right is to preserve our Constitutional rights as Americans. God help any foreign invaders as well.

As far as elections, the media and letters and such most Americans would rather worry about dancing with the stars events unfolding or what's the latest Apple product to aquire.

Well, firstly I think you underestimate what properly faked intelligence could provoke someone to do.

And to your last point, it's not the fault of the government that people lack for enthusiasm with regards to how we choose to be governed. And I don't think guns do much to change it. If anything, I'd say they are an equal distraction from the various doings of the government.
 

Jaskalas

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We need to start doing something about the mental health of the American male population. Maybe some mandatory yearly mental screenings or something. This is getting out of control now.

Yes, mandatory control of the population.

I'm sure that's all very consti... oh, right... that "paper" doesn't exist anymore. No Bill of Rights, can't have privacy from the .gov. Let's burn the Constitution, all its rules holding us back from achieving what our hearts truly desire - a North Korean regime.
 

Attic

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The parents and families of those affected have my deepest sympathies. I find myself tormented with sadness at this trajedy. My head hurts going there and this is the first time i've had a physically sick reaction to a news headline in my life.

In here, and hopefully elsewhere, the country finds unity and compassion to simply stand together behind those affected.
 

sportage

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Isn't thre a video game where u get to shoot up an elementary school?
Something called " No one gives me an F on my math test. Bitch! ".
And u get to pick your weapon arsenal?
Pick your school?
Pick your armor?

Or was that real life?
 

RampantAndroid

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Because public schools aren't prison-daycare indoctrination camps run by the government. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Unless it's a 24 hour clock. Or has AM/PM markings.

We need to start doing something about the mental health of the American male population. Maybe some mandatory yearly mental screenings or something. This is getting out of control now.

Let's start with you, and call you unstable.

Yearly screenings don't do shit, and are a blatant violation of privacy. I say this having been a victim of someone at work who made me wonder how many days until he'd come to work and shoot me...but my solution wasn't "BAN GUNS. BAN TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE. LOCK HIM UP." It was being vigilant for my own safety, and trying to de-escalate the situation/make sure his attention went elsewhere.
 
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boochi

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Isn't thre a video game where u get to shoot up an elementary school?
Something called " No one gives me an F on my math test. Bitch! ".
And u get to pick your weapon arsenal?
Pick your school?
Pick your armor?

Or was that real life?

Do you remember a game called "Postal"? It was damn close.
 

RampantAndroid

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Do you remember a game called "Postal"? It was damn close.

Then there's the one about you playing as a convict, being forced to do killings to go free. Hell if I remember the name. I have no problem with FPSes and such...I take issue with shit like the game I'm referring to, and movies like Hostel and whatnot that are just designed to allow sick people to masturbate to gory death scenes.
 

ultimatebob

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Plenty of teachers are CCW holders... None of them that I know of shot up their place of work or children.

Yep... And just one of those gun carrying teachers in that school today could have saved a lot of lives.

I know that liberals think that banning guns is the solution, but I'm thinking that having more of them in the right places will help protect our children from a lot of nutjobs out there.
 

nehalem256

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We need to start doing something about the mental health of the American male population. Maybe some mandatory yearly mental screenings or something. This is getting out of control now.

Wow. So I guess liberals only care about people's rights if the are women. Thanks for admitting the truth.
 

Lithium381

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Unless it's a 24 hour clock. Or has AM/PM markings.



Let's start with you, and call you unstable.

Yearly screenings don't do shit, and are a blatant violation of privacy. I say this having been a victim of someone at work who made me wonder how many days until he'd come to work and shoot me...but my solution wasn't "BAN GUNS. BAN TRANSGENDERED PEOPLE. LOCK HIM UP." It was being vigilant for my own safety, and trying to de-escalate the situation/make sure his attention went elsewhere.


Lock someone up because they sneezed the wrong way . .. DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!!

Lock someone up becausae they don't blink at the same rate you do . . THEY MUST BE PASSIVELY AGRESSIVLY DEPRESSED AND READY TO LASH OUT
 

irishScott

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One thing that is nice to see, aside from the regular customers there's very few cries for more gun control out of this. The primary focus is on detecting people's mental instability, where it should be IMO.

Then again, there really can't be any cries for renewed gun control if one examines the details.

1. The guns were legally purchased... by his mother. He took them and used them illegally. Hell legally you have be 21 to purchase a handgun in the first place (shooter was 20).

2. There were no "high capacity" mags or "assault weapons" involved in the actual shooting (although they apparently found an M4 at the scene). Just two standard-issue handguns that have been sold by the millions and are collectively used by over half the police forces in the nation.

So our gun laws did their job. Although I'm sure there are some here who will argue for mandatory gun storage laws with random checks (which do... nothing), and there are always those who will politicize dead children, fact is there was no reasonable law that could have prevented this.
 

Angry Irishman

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Well, firstly I think you underestimate what properly faked intelligence could provoke someone to do.

And to your last point, it's not the fault of the government that people lack for enthusiasm with regards to how we choose to be governed. And I don't think guns do much to change it. If anything, I'd say they are an equal distraction from the various doings of the government.

There have already been examples in recent times focused around the military and it's control of citizens. Katrina was a good example of the vast majority of military folks doing the right thing and refusing to take peoples weapons when ordered. Ask me how I know?

As far as the average American's enthusiasm towards their being governed...your right and it's to the governments advantage should there be any ill intentions in the works. Sad really. Hopefully this won't be a rude awakening some day. You are also correct in the fact that guns play just a small part in all of this in the big picture.
 
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ultimatebob

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One thing that is nice to see, aside from the regular customers there's very few cries for more gun control out of this. The primary focus is on detecting people's mental instability, where it should be IMO.

Then again, there really can't be any cries for renewed gun control if one examines the details.

1. The guns were legally purchased... by his mother. He took them and used them illegally. Hell legally you have be 21 to purchase a handgun in the first place (shooter was 20).

2. There were no "high capacity" mags or "assault weapons" involved in the actual shooting (although they apparently found an M4 at the scene). Just two standard-issue handguns that have been sold by the millions and are collectively used by over half the police forces in the nation.

So our gun laws did their job. Although I'm sure there are some here who will argue for mandatory gun storage laws with random checks (which do... nothing), and there are always those who will politicize dead children, fact is there was no reasonable law that could have prevented this.

Not quite... A gun law allowing teachers to carry concealed weapons in schools could have prevented this. I still want to see the gun laws changed... Just different ones than what what the more liberal minded people in my state want to see changed.
 
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