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Angry Irishman

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Hey, I don't give a damn. If it fires bullets I don't think you should be allowed to have it.

What other rights should we give up? You seem pretty selective.

For your information there are a lot of folks who continue to give a damn about their country and rights.
 

Muse

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Great opinion regarding the bullshit statement...too bad isn't based with supporting facts.

Obama has nothing to lead as the right to bear arms is a right and an amendment in the Constitution of the United States. Other than leading a change to this amendment via Congressional vote he would be dictating....big difference.

Reference previous post as it applies here as well:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Gun control = infringing
Yeah, I said bullshit, and that's what you are offering. As far as I'm concerned your having a gun does not make you a member of a well armed militia. What's the point of this militia? To protect you from a government gone mad? That's science fiction, dude. Fuck your 2nd amendment right to own a gun. That's antiquated and very much open to interpretation. We are perfectly capable of getting rid of the weapons on the streets, in your drawer or closet or safe, in your glove compartment, in your pants and the bullets that are bringing down our innocent or not so innocent citizens.
 

Joseph F

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This thread needs to be closed and anyone who posted banned...

It won't be, because Perk is a liberal, and probably agrees with the OP.

Mod call-outs are not permitted. -Admin DrPizza
 
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Muse

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What other rights should we give up? You seem pretty selective.

For your information there are a lot of folks who continue to give a damn about their country and rights.
I'm not much into giving up rights, but I do not believe in your right to have a gun.
 

Angry Irishman

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Yeah, I said bullshit, and that's what you are offering. As far as I'm concerned your having a gun does not make you a member of a well armed militia. What's the point of this militia? To protect you from a government gone mad? That's science fiction, dude. Fuck your 2nd amendment right to own a gun. That's antiquated and very much open to interpretation. We are perfectly capable of getting rid of the weapons on the streets, in your drawer or closet or safe, in your glove compartment, in your pants and the bullets that are bringing down our innocent or not so innocent citizens.

Very emotionally put....but still no facts or logic. I can't say your delivery is very eloquent either...rather immature actually.

I don't even own a gun but I still very much support the Constitution and what rights it provides me by that pesky "fuck my 2nd amendment right".

Antiquated how? How would we get rid of all the weapons owned by the average citizen? I think the government would be over stepping its bounds by illegal search and seizure as well....that OK with you?

Science fiction? Really? Take a history class sometime and maybe you'll discover what a government that takes rights away can do for you.
 

Angry Irishman

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I'm not much into giving up rights, but I do not believe in your right to have a gun.

Well then run for Congress and sway enough votes to change the Constitution. Maybe the President can just deliver an executive order....that should fix things up.

I'm not much into giving up rights and I do believe in my right to have a gun.
 

Generator

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One simple thing that can be done is a renewed emphasis of the racial profiling of white males. These white motherkillers have been skating by because of past demographics.
 

woolfe9999

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Stop searching for solutions and answers for this kind of tragedy. There aren't any. Not gun control, nor mental health resources, nor school security. Nothing will stop it from occurring here and there. We cannot stop pathological narcissism from emerging as a character trait in some individuals because it is an extension of ordinary human psychology.

Of all the mass murders we've had in recent years, I have to admit this one really got to me.
 

Mai72

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Well, until North Korea perfects a nuclear weapon.

By the way, I guess you didn't hear about the knife-wielder in Chenpeng Village today, did you?

I'm not saying that bad stuff doesn't happen in Asia. Of course, bad sh*t happens everywhere. It's not at the same level though. Yes, there are knife wielding maniacs in Asia. Yes, rape occurs in Asia. Yes, people get robbed and mugged in Asia.

It just seems that extreme violence is happening much too often in America and it's because of guns. Columbine, Colorado, Connecticut, Virginia Tech, etc.. Could someone have killed these many people with a knife? I highly doubt it.

I challenge you to show me one developed Asian county that has had as many mass shootings as America.
 

Angry Irishman

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I'm not saying that bad stuff doesn't happen in Asia. Of course, bad sh*t happens everywhere. It's not at the same level though. Yes, there are knife wielding maniacs in Asia. Yes, rape occurs in Asia. Yes, people get robbed and mugged in Asia.

It just seems that extreme violence is happening much too often in America and it's because of guns. Columbine, Colorado, Connecticut, Virginia Tech, etc.. Could someone have killed these many people with a knife? I highly doubt it.

I challenge you to show me one developed Asian county that has had as many mass shootings as America.

The killing fields of Cambodia; made Stalin look like a sissy.
 

shortylickens

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One simple thing that can be done is a renewed emphasis of the racial profiling of white males. These white motherkillers have been skating by because of past demographics.

They thought the DC sniper was a white male or pair of white males, probably middle class and with families.

They were completely wrong.

Racial profiling doesnt work because its too P.C. and doesnt take reality into consideration.
Blacks off each other in such massive numbers it doesnt even make the news anymore.
 

raildogg

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Actually, yes I have....not a pretty place. The people there don't have a lot of rights either. Pretty much organized chaos actually.

We are talking a lot about rights here. What rights are we talking about? In America, there is a rule or a regulation for almost everything. I doubt Pakistan has similar restrictions. In terms of day to day rights, I'm not really sure if Pakistan is worse than the US. In certain parts of the US, one cannot smoke even on a sidewalk. Are there such similar rules in Pakistan?

As to guns, they don't kill people. It's people who kill people. Our society, along with the rest of the world's, are totally out of balance in how we live our lives. We follow others while being unwilling to be better persons. People now blame others and not themselves. They hate others without even considering that they are their own worst enemy. A guy living in a village in Pakistan should not logically hate anyone in the US since he hasn't met them. However, his friends or his religious leader or his media outlet have such influence over him that he believes the nonsense. The same holds true for everyone else.

As for guns, like I said above, they are not the problem. I'm not sure but there might be reasons why so many people buy guns: they are bored, scared, paranoid or whatever. As for buying a gun for self defense, this argument is somewhat similar to the nuclear weapons argument. Country X develops a nuclear program because Country Y has them. Then Country Z will have them since Country Y has them. Eventually, everyone will have guns in that scenario. Is that any better?

If people become better then there will be no need for guns or weapons. Instead, our idea of better seems to be getting more wealth, power, land, education, technology, etc. All of that leads to violence. No way around it.
 
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Angry Irishman

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We are talking a lot about rights here. What rights are talking about? In America, there is a rule or a regulation for almost everything. I doubt Pakistan has similar restrictions. In terms of day to day rights, I'm not really sure if Pakistan is worse than the US. In certain parts of the US, one cannot smoke even on a sidewalk. Are there such similar rules in Pakistan?

As to guns, they don't kill people. It's people who kill people. Our society, along with the rest of the world's, are totally out of balance in how we live our lives. We follow others while being unwilling to be better persons. People now blame others and not themselves. They hate others without even considering that they are their own worst enemy. A guy living in a village in Pakistan should not logically hate anyone in the US since he hasn't met them. However, his friends or his religious leader or his media outlet have such influence over him that he believes the nonsense. The same holds true for everyone else.

As for guns, like I said above, they are not the problem. There is a reason who so many people buy guns: they are bored, scared, paranoid or whatever. As for buying a gun for self defense, this argument is somewhat similar to the nuclear weapons argument. Country X develops a nuclear program because Country Y has them. Then Country Z will have them since Country Y has them. Eventually, everyone will have guns in that scenario. Is that any better?

If people become better then there will be no need for guns or weapons. Instead, our idea of better seems to be getting more wealth, power, land, education, technology, etc. All of that leads to violence. No way around it.

I'm being pretty specific about American rights for the majority of this discussion. Many in Pakistan and elsewhere lack basic human rights.
 

raildogg

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I'm being pretty specific about American rights for the majority of this discussion. Many in Pakistan and elsewhere lack basic human rights.

Please describe them to me. I'm being serious since I do not know. Do you mean right to vote and right to free speech? The right to live freely? To you they may seem like basic human rights but they might not to the Pakistanis. What you see as being chaos may seem like every other day to a Pakistani. Our terrorist might be their hero. It's all relative.
 

1prophet

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http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-virtually-eliminated-shooting-deaths/260189/

I feel very safe in South Korea. I can walk virtually anywhere in Korea and I never have to worry about my safety. In the future, could we see a mass exodus of US citizens who move to Asia because they simply want their children to attend school without the fear of being gunned down? D:


You have hundreds if not thousands of pieces of artillery pointed at you from the north that can hit most of South Korea, what safety do you really have?
 

Angry Irishman

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Please describe them to me. I'm being serious since I do not know. Do you mean right to vote and right to free speech? The right to live freely? To you they may seem like basic human rights but they might not to the Pakistanis. What you see as being chaos may seem like every other day to a Pakistani. Our terrorist might be their hero. It's all relative.

Well I see where you are going with this and yes I agree that my rights as an American don't necessarily equate to the rights of any other country. I've been to enough parts of the world to understand this concept.

Let's just put it this way: Most Americans would be humbled and very happy to have what they are lucky enough to be born into if they saw what else was going on in the world outside of their borders.
 
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