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lotus503

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An "assault rifle" is a selective fire weapon. The 1994 ban did not deal with select fire weapons, which were already heavily regulated by the 1934 NFA and the 1986 FOPA (specifically the Hughes Amendment). The 1994 ban dealt only with semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns.

I consider semi auto rifles with military rounds and combat features assault weapons.

Like I said above most of what was outlawed in 94.

You can stroke the language all you want.
 

lotus503

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I think they need to ban you for trying to argue items you have no clue about

Correct I don't spend time in the gun culture and understand all the nuance.

I could spend some time outlining exactly what I think should be banned down to the last detail using correct terminology but I highly suspect there are many doing that already I can throw my support behind.
 

lotus503

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No need. I've already got the high ground, why concede any of it?

Not really your arguing on a message board with people who are not in agreement with you.

Put down the measuring stick for your e-peen you aren't convincing anyone of anything.
 

jpeyton

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I could spend some time outlining exactly what I think should be banned down to the last detail using correct terminology but I highly suspect there are many doing that already I can throw my support behind.
You should be more interested in throwing your support behind the House Congressional elections in 2014, because that's the only road to getting a Federal AWB passed.
 

Puddle Jumper

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Correct I don't spend time in the gun culture and understand all the nuance.

I could spend some time outlining exactly what I think should be banned down to the last detail using correct terminology but I highly suspect there are many doing that already I can throw my support behind.

The old assault weapons ban was more about banning weapons that scared liberals than banning weapons that were dangerous. For example a Ruger Mini 30 is a more deadly weapon than the AR-15s you guys are terrified of yet they were completely legal.
 

dmens

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Bring back the 1994 ban that ought to cover it. I think they banned 19 models and certain features.

Wrong again. The California state ban dealt with models (and that was a lot more than 19). The 1994 federal ban dealt with 5 features: pistol grips, folding/telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, grenade launchers, and bayonet lugs.

The first two items are purely ergonomic features that have nothing to do with the weapon's capability.

Flash suppressors are useless except at night. The irony of that is gun owners replaced them with muzzle brakes which actually enhanced the stability of the rifle and would technically make spree shootings easier.

As for the last two, 37mm grenades are classified as destructive devices which are basically impossible to obtain, so that feature is a red herring. Bayonet lugs... no comment needed.

So why you think the 1994 ban was worth a damn, I have no idea. Care to explain?

I consider semi auto rifles with military rounds and combat features assault weapons.

Like I said above most of what was outlawed in 94.

You can stroke the language all you want.

Because a rifle capable of loading itself as opposed to the half second I need with a lever action or a second with a bolt gun somehow makes the former capable of "assault" and the latter incapable.
 
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jpeyton

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Opinions vary.....
Not really. Legislatively speaking, there is no Federal AWB, no restrictions on AR-15s...when I've got everything to lose and you've got everything to gain, that typically means I have the high ground.
 

lotus503

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It's like arguing with stupidity. Regardless of fact, logic, or reasoning - it's stupid to continue to try and explain things

My point for the stupid dopey retard still stands - he has 0 clue what an assault rifle is

Maybe,

I consider an AR an assault rifle
Whether that is exactly correct terminology or not doesn't matter.

I was referencing the '94 law that expired in 2004. I support bringing that ban back.
 

Darwin333

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Find another sport then.

Since there won't be a national ban on high cap mags or anything of the sort anytime soon so perhaps it should be you who needs to find another issue?

Besides, as I have said, a few 5 gallon cans of gasoline can cause far more horrific damage. If you are batshit crazy enough to do something like this you are batshit crazy enough to do it by any means necessary.
 

lotus503

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You should be more interested in throwing your support behind the House Congressional elections in 2014, because that's the only road to getting a Federal AWB passed.

I will and I will support lobby to ban assault weapons.

Since I am not buying guns and ammo I have lots of cash to back causes I care about.
 

lotus503

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Wrong again. The California state ban dealt with models (and that was a lot more than 19). The 1994 federal ban dealt with 5 features: pistol grips, folding/telescoping stocks, flash suppressors, grenade launchers, and bayonet lugs.

The first two items are purely ergonomic features that have nothing to do with the weapon's capability.

Flash suppressors are useless except at night. The irony of that is gun owners replaced them with muzzle brakes which actually enhanced the stability of the rifle and would technically make spree shootings easier.

As for the last two, 37mm grenades are classified as destructive devices which are basically impossible to obtain, so that feature is a red herring. Bayonet lugs... no comment needed.

So why you think the 1994 ban was worth a damn, I have no idea. Care to explain?



Because a rifle capable of loading itself as opposed to the half second I need with a lever action or a second with a bolt gun somehow makes the former capable of "assault" and the latter incapable.

Good to know the '94 ban was not inclusive enough, I was living in California at the time so I'm probably mixing them.

If rampage killers started using bolt action rifles to kill people I'd give that argument more weight.
 

Engineer

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Since there won't be a national ban on high cap mags or anything of the sort anytime soon so perhaps it should be you who needs to find another issue?

I'll make sure to add the ban on high cap mags to my ban issue then. Thanks for reminding me.
 

jpeyton

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I'll make sure to add the ban on high cap mags to my ban issue then. Thanks for reminding me.
But just a moment ago you were for an all out firearms ban. Hi-cap, lo-cap, all-cap.

Stick to your convictions :thumbsup:
 

lotus503

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Since there won't be a national ban on high cap mags or anything of the sort anytime soon so perhaps it should be you who needs to find another issue?

Besides, as I have said, a few 5 gallon cans of gasoline can cause far more horrific damage. If you are batshit crazy enough to do something like this you are batshit crazy enough to do it by any means necessary.

Yet not many rampage killers using gas to kill people.
 

Engineer

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CNN reporting that the gunman had an altercation with 4 adults at the school the day before (Thursday). He tried to purchase more guns on Friday morning but was turned down. He was denied entry into the school but forced his way in and then killed the principle. Three of the four people that he had an altercation with the day before were killed.

So very sad.

This little girl died by the asshole. The man with her is her father. He will never get to hold the "live" little girl again. Why? Why?

 
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Engineer

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But just a moment ago you were for an all out firearms ban. Hi-cap, lo-cap, all-cap.

Stick to your convictions :thumbsup:

No I was not. Don't put words into my paragraphs. Go back and read what I typed and try again.
 

Engineer

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My wife just brought up an excellent idea....why doesn't the schools install a button similar to what banks use, that will lock down areas and notify authorities that help is needed immediately? Maybe sound an alarm while at it. It may have not helped but it surely wouldn't have hurt.
 

lotus503

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But just a moment ago you were for an all out firearms ban. Hi-cap, lo-cap, all-cap.

Stick to your convictions :thumbsup:

You guys do a pretty convincing job explaining why all guns are dangerous.

While I have a couple maybe I should ditch them and support banning all guns.
 

dmens

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Good to know the '94 ban was not inclusive enough, I was living in California at the time so I'm probably mixing them.

If rampage killers started using bolt action rifles to kill people I'd give that argument more weight.

You have no idea why the features are there, you don't even know what they are. You're a fucking idiot.

You do realize if semi's were banned, then crazy people would just move to bolt/lever guns, then to knives (like in the UK and Australia). It's just a never ending slide. You should just be honest and advocate a total gun ban for civilians, because that's what you desire.
 
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TallBill

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My wife just brought up an excellent idea....why doesn't the schools install a button similar to what banks use, that will lock down areas and notify authorities that help is needed immediately? Maybe sound an alarm while at it. It may have not helped but it surely wouldn't have hurt.

That's a lot of money to install. People wanting the contents of banks have a higher chance of bringing tools to get past simple security measures.
 

Engineer

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That's a lot of money to install. People wanting the contents of banks have a higher chance of bringing tools to get past simple security measures.

With modern technology, is it really? Is it worth lives? We have people wanting to install metal detectors, armed guards, etc. Seems like those would be far more costs.


I suppose it's just like everything else.....people want all of this stuff but nobody ever wants to pay for it (hence our debt problems in the country today).
 

dmens

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Good way to win your side of the argument. Bravo.

/Golf clap

People either acknowledge that 2A is about overthrowing a tyranny government, or they don't. Overthrowing tyranny by definition means civilians must have the same weapons that the military has. Period.
 
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