Connecticut School shooting!

[diesbudt]

Where did I say you had? Calm down, dummy.

You seem like a nice enough guy when you're asking for help with rehabilitating your bedraggled car - why are you such a jackass here?

DVC, You actually make a good point. I have seen people change their attitudes inbetween sub forums, and it is pretty funny.

 

[manimal]

DVC, You actually make a good point. I have seen people change their attitudes inbetween sub forums, and it is pretty funny.

in this case its more like another personality.

 

[monovillage]

You're right!

It doesn't work!

So time to take your fucking guns away!

yippie! teabagging scum!

You, along with ausm and jackstar seem to be pretty pleased that your political agenda got such a boost from the deaths of the kids and staff. You guys are like vultures hanging around, hoping and wishing you get a chance to feast on firearms killed carrion so you can go into your paroxysms of outrage.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

in this case its more like another personality.

It's strange. In his P&N thread, spidey seems like a pleasant, bright guy. Here he is consistently paranoid and hostile. I find that hard to understand.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You, along with ausm and jackstar seem to be pretty pleased that your political agenda got such a boost from the deaths of the kids and staff. You guys are like vultures hanging around, hoping and wishing you get a chance to feast on firearms killed carrion so you can go into your paroxysms of outrage.

I think you're trying too hard with your hyperbolic metaphor. You're a good writer but "paroxysms of outrage" is a little much (and I say that as a person given to ten-dollar words myself). Moreover, you're ignoring the people on the other side of the issue who are attempting to exploit this tragedy to eliminate gun free zones.

 

[jackstar7]

You, along with ausm and jackstar seem to be pretty pleased that your political agenda got such a boost from the deaths of the kids and staff. You guys are like vultures hanging around, hoping and wishing you get a chance to feast on firearms killed carrion so you can go into your paroxysms of outrage.

Thanks for your slander.

You're view of what has transpired is flawed and disrespectful.

I'd be disheartened by your characterization of me, but I long ago stopped thinking your opinions or perspective held any merit.

 

[Phokus]

Ugh, Adam Lanza's mother was a 'prepper', one of those batshit crazy loons who stockpiles guns/food/ammo in preperation for a mad max type dystopia. She even taught Adam how to shoot so he could be prepared too.

Talk about major backfire. What an irresponsible gun owner

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ger-Sandy-Hook-Connecticut-killing-spree.html

Also, Violent sociopaths (like spidey) shouldn't be allowed to have access to guns.

600 bucks to curb stomp a liberal? SO worth it.

- A thing Spidey actually said.

 

[hal2kilo]

You, along with ausm and jackstar seem to be pretty pleased that your political agenda got such a boost from the deaths of the kids and staff. You guys are like vultures hanging around, hoping and wishing you get a chance to feast on firearms killed carrion so you can go into your paroxysms of outrage.

I think this is a big political mistake for the Democratic party. It will set us back just like when Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.

It does seem though that's the NRA's actual impact on elections is minimal at best, compared to what they would like you to believe.

 

[Pens1566]

It's strange. In his P&N thread, spidey seems like a pleasant, bright guy. Here he is consistently paranoid and hostile. I find that hard to understand.

Exactly the type of person we want owning tons of firearms, amirite?

 

[Todd33]

It's not useful to compare per capita rates in general between different countries because countless social factors are not made transparent,

Yet how often do gun nuts mention Switzerland? All data is relevant.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Yet how often do gun nuts mention Switzerland? All data is relevant.

Frank Farley, one of my professors at UW-Madison, has theorized that the reason America is so violent is that the people who founded it and populated it are the descendents of people with thrill-seeking personalities. Obviously the decision to fight the American Revolution, and the decision of subsequent immigrants to come to the US, required them to be more thrill-seeking and less risk-averse than many other people. This in turn (under the theory) makes us more aggressive and thus violent as a people. Certainly the Swiss, as a whole, would generally be the direct opposite.

 

[Farmer]

Yet how often do gun nuts mention Switzerland? All data is relevant.

Well there has been no major gun control in Switzerland because it's been shot down (no pun intended) so severely there are barely any gun control proponents there remaining, so I guess you're right, you cannot gauge the effectiveness of gun control by looking at that nation. Nowhere do I make a direct compairson between the US and Switzerland. I might've just posted this but here you go again:

It's not useful to compare per capita rates in general between different countries because countless social factors are not made transparent, i.e., you are implicitly making the assumption that society in the US and UK are nearly identical, which is far from the truth. For instance, if we compared per capita gun violence in China versus the US, it is probably far lower in China. Does that mean we should aim to replicate Chinese policy on guns and violence? Moreover, gun violence rates are lower in Switzerland, does this mean we should strive to have policies similar to that in Switzerland (these two nations have vastly different policies, with the Swiss policy far closer to the current US policy in most gun-friendly states).

What is more significant to consider is the change in time of gun crime rates after institution of a law in a given nation, which could be used to gauge the effectiveness of said law. Since the late 90s UK firearm ban, gun violence in that nation has increased. In other words, the firearm ban did not achieve its intended effect.

Same data, different conclusion.

If we instead look at the time history of gun crime rates in the US, we will see that it has been steadily declining for the past 1.5 decades. Despite the sunset of the "assault weapon" ban and massive increase in legal gun sales, this decline has persisted to today.

Frank Farley, one of my professors at UW-Madison, has theorized that the reason America is so violent is that the people who founded it and populated it are the descendents of people with thrill-seeking personalities. Obviously the decision to fight the American Revolution, and the decision of subsequent immigrants to come to the US, required them to be more thrill-seeking and less risk-averse than many other people. This in turn (under the theory) makes us more aggressive and thus violent as a people. Certainly the Swiss, as a whole, would generally be the direct opposite.

How did you conclude that about the Swiss? I know nothing about Swiss history so I can't comment.

 

[Ausm]

You, along with ausm and jackstar seem to be pretty pleased that your political agenda got such a boost from the deaths of the kids and staff. You guys are like vultures hanging around, hoping and wishing you get a chance to feast on firearms killed carrion so you can go into your paroxysms of outrage.

Thx for the nice comments but the GOP is the gift that keeps on giving as it continues to circle the drain. For the record please show examples of our approval of children getting shot in the head 10-15 times with an Assault rifle.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Well there has been no major gun control in Switzerland because it's been shot down (no pun intended) so severely there are barely any gun control proponents there remaining, so I guess you're right, you cannot gauge the effectiveness of gun control by looking at that nation. Nowhere do I make a direct compairson between the US and Switzerland. I might've just posted this but here you go again:

It's not useful to compare per capita rates in general between different countries because countless social factors are not made transparent, i.e., you are implicitly making the assumption that society in the US and UK are nearly identical, which is far from the truth. For instance, if we compared per capita gun violence in China versus the US, it is probably far lower in China. Does that mean we should aim to replicate Chinese policy on guns and violence? Moreover, gun violence rates are lower in Switzerland, does this mean we should strive to have policies similar to that in Switzerland (these two nations have vastly different policies, with the Swiss policy far closer to the current US policy in most gun-friendly states).

What is more significant to consider is the change in time of gun crime rates after institution of a law in a given nation, which could be used to gauge the effectiveness of said law. Since the late 90s UK firearm ban, gun violence in that nation has increased. In other words, the firearm ban did not achieve its intended effect.

Same data, different conclusion.

If we instead look at the time history of gun crime rates in the US, we will see that it has been steadily declining for the past 1.5 decades. Despite the sunset of the "assault weapon" ban and massive increase in legal gun sales, this decline has persisted to today.

How did you conclude that about the Swiss? I know nothing about Swiss history so I can't comment.

The Swiss are a very homogeneous culture (directly the opposite from the US in that way), and have the most conflict-free history of any country in Europe. Obviously that does not mean individuals in Switzerland can't be adventure-seekers, but culturally they are orderly, well-organized, clean and safe, and as individuals they tend (relative to other countries) to be measured, precise and careful. I would not say the same of Americans as a whole.

I would take slight exception to the way you are characterizing Swiss gun laws, in that they do not permit private citizens (other than those with jobs that require it) to carry guns in public, unlike most US states. Moreover, while their overall homicide rate is low, about 80% of homicides in Switzerland are committed with guns, a greater percentage than is true in the US (where it's less than 70%). Certainly Switzerland as a whole is a considerably safer place than the US, but guns are involved in many of their (comparatively few) violent crimes.

 

[airdata]

Ugh, Adam Lanza's mother was a 'prepper', one of those batshit crazy loons who stockpiles guns/food/ammo in preperation for a mad max type dystopia. She even taught Adam how to shoot so he could be prepared too.

Talk about major backfire. What an irresponsible gun owner

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ger-Sandy-Hook-Connecticut-killing-spree.html

Also, Violent sociopaths (like spidey) shouldn't be allowed to have access to guns.

- A thing Spidey actually said.

Yep, mental illness should disqualify gun ownership. Anybody on the forum wishing death on other people should absolutely have no right to own guns.

 

[thraashman]

This is something I wrote up and posted on Facebook. I wanted to post it here too.

Dawn Hochsprung was the 47 year old mother, grandmother, and principal of Sandy Hook Elementary. She was one of the 26 people killed in the shooting rampage on Friday. Reports indicate that when the gun shots started she told 2 other women with her to find shelter while she went and confronted the gunman. Before being killed she reportedly lunged at the killer in an attempt to disarm him, despite being only 5'2" herself. A selfless and courageous act normally reserved for the bravest of soldiers on a battlefield, was done by a 47 year old grandmother. And had she been a soldier on the battlefield, an act like this could earn her a Medal of Honor. This woman, this educator, this American is a true hero. Rather than remember the evil man who committed this horrendous act, we should all make the effort to remember the name of Dawn Hocksprung, a hero who gave her life trying to save the lives of the children she was dedicated to.

 

[Todd33]

There are no witnesses, no one knows what happened. This stuff spreads like urban myths. Facebook peeeps love this stuff, but I doubt many of these stories even have an element of truth.

 

[jackstar7]

This is something I wrote up and posted on Facebook. I wanted to post it here too.

Thanks for posting. Shared elsewhere.

 

[BladeVenom]

For the record please show examples of our approval of children getting shot in the head 10-15 times with an Assault rifle.

Create gun free zones, and a mass shooting happens in a gun free zone. Create more gun free zones, more mass shootings happen in gun free zones. Over and over and over again. Almost all the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

So those who want gun free zones are either trying to encourage more mass shootings, or they are insane.

Meanwhile, in Israel, where they clearly don't want their children murdered. They protect them with armed guards.

 

[Jaepheth]

Approaching prevention from another angle.

Maybe we should up the arsenal available to mental health professionals.
Specifically, I'm thinking make MDMA a schedule 3 drug.
I'm pretty far removed from the mental health profession though. Are there other empathy inducing drugs already available for prescription?

 

[jackstar7]

Create gun free zones, and a mass shooting happens in a gun free zone. Create more gun free zones, more mass shootings happen in gun free zones. Over and over and over again. Almost all the mass shootings happen in gun free zones.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

So those who want gun free zones are either trying to encourage more mass shootings, or they are insane.

Meanwhile, in Israel, where they clearly don't want their children murdered. They protect them with armed guards.

That's taking the position that these happen all the time and that they happen because of gun-free zones.

That's a bit of a stretch on the second point and curious why you think so on the first...

 

[thraashman]

There are no witnesses, no one knows what happened. This stuff spreads like urban myths. Facebook peeeps love this stuff, but I doubt many of these stories even have an element of truth.

Actually I didn't get this from Facebook, I wrote it up myself from reading about 6 different articles that included statements from the women she told to hide, her family, and people who claimed to witness her death including one who claimed to see Dawn charge down the gunman.

 

[BladeVenom]

That's taking the position that these happen all the time and that they happen because of gun-free zones.

That's a bit of a stretch on the second point and curious why you think so on the first...

There's been 62 in the last 30 years. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map?page=1

They may not happen because of gun free zones, but gun free zones guarantee that more people will be killed. Shooters seem to prefer to go were everyone is disarmed.

Look at the Aurora shooting. There were other movie theaters closer to the murderer, but he chose the one that was a gun free zone.

 

[diesbudt]

There's been 62 in the last 30 years. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map?page=1

They may not happen because of gun free zones, but gun free zones guarantee that more people will be killed. Shooters seem to prefer to go were everyone is disarmed.

Look at the Aurora shooting. There were other movie theaters closer to the murderer, but he chose the one that was a gun free zone.

Exactly. One sick reason mentally handicap people do this whether they know it or not, is the rush of power they have over other lives. When possible running into someone "on equal ground' also armed, scares them. And thus go for the easier targets.

I mean how often does shooting ranges, police stations, army bases, etc. get mass murder sprees before he is shot dead by other members?

This is just what I believe, but i agree 1 reason is the gun free zones, or low armed rate zones.

 

[jackstar7]

There's been 62 in the last 30 years. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map?page=1

They may not happen because of gun free zones, but gun free zones guarantee that more people will be killed. Shooters seem to prefer to go were everyone is disarmed.

Look at the Aurora shooting. There were other movie theaters closer to the murderer, but he chose the one that was a gun free zone.

Or he chose it for a completely different reason.

You're ascribing motives to dead people. Crazy dead people at that.

You think embedded in the desire to kill a bunch of people and children are rational and strategic choices?

Possibly? Sure. With the certainty you're pushing? I don't know how you reach that conclusion.