Connecticut School shooting!

[corwin]

Well that lasted long...LMFAO It's amazing the amount of Rightwing hate in here.

I'm serious about mental illness, the last part wasn't political at all and most likely true

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Newtown, Conn. School District Had Recently Installed New Safety Protocols
In Letter To Parents Strict Guidelines Were Outlined For 4 Elementary Schools

Very interesting. Note that the security protocol does not include the use of metal detectors (not that I would expect them in an elementary school). At this point it seems likeliest that this was a disgruntled/wacky parent, though obviously we have much to learn still.

May those poor children and the other victims rest in peace, and I hope the survivors and families find peace and recoveries as speedy as possible.

 

[Bowfinger]

I'm literally sitting here typing this while tears are rolling down my cheeks. I want to stop crying but I cant. I cry for those innocent children, thinking of them and thinking of my son.

Fridays are my day-off, I saw this on the news coming back from lunch with my 6-year old son at his elementary school. If you ever saw a roomful of children sitting side by side eating their lunch you would have a hard time imagine any human being would have enough hate in his heart to harm them, much less... My wife is also from Connecticut and her family is about 20-25 miles east of Newtown.

What is wrong with us as a society that we have to endure these random shootings all across our country during this holiday season where we all should be safe and warm?

My children are now (mostly) grown, but every parent understands. I can only imagine the horror and devastation of so many families today. The fact that it's right before Christmas only amplifies the pain. It must be unbearable.

 

[Darwin333]

When this shit is happening more and more often (Aurora Theater Shooting, Last week's Mall shooting, now Elementary School Shooting). You have to question the status quo.

Hmm, seems that the mass shootings have seriously ramped up since Obama has been in office. Therefore it must be Obamas fault!!!

 

[Generator]

Its a combination of two things; a legitimate depression of the economy and soul. Society has a velocity to it and over the centuries people of even the lowest castes have greater and greater expectations. There has always been unfairness in the world but now when the deluded fail to maintain their illusions that are their lives they seek vengeance.

Before people start calling the shooters nut jobs, just ask yourself if its more important to sweep these children's lives under the rug just so you can find some sense in the world. Confront the problems in this country or just let these people die meaninglessly.

 

[Matt1970]

That's not what this article states...20 mass shooting in the U.S every year.

http://rt.com/usa/news/mass-year-people-massacre-710/

But can we get back to the original OP?

Since 2005. This shit didn't happen till recently.

 

[Darwin333]

Very interesting. Note that the security protocol does not include the use of metal detectors (not that I would expect them in an elementary school). At this point it seems likeliest that this was a disgruntled/wacky parent, though obviously we have much to learn still.

May those poor children and the other victims rest in peace, and I hope the survivors and families find peace and recoveries as speedy as possible.

Well said. I don't know if the national attention/media crawling all up the parents ass will hurt more or help but hopefully the good will outweigh the bad.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This...our society has placed such a stigma on mental illness that nobody seeks help anymore and they eventually do sick shit like this

Actually I'd say it's much less stigmatized today than at any time in history. That said, people suffering from outright psychosis (and I expect the shooter may have been, a la James Holmes) generally can't be trusted to seek out care or follow the instructions of their providers, since they are literally living in a (sometimes terrifying and hateful) fantasy world.

It does feel as though this particular form of crazy behavior (spree killings) is on the rise, but since it's still a fairly rare event, I doubt it's possible to establish any kind of statistically significant trend. If anything I find it surprising that these kinds of incidents don't happen more, given the large number of mentally ill and disenfranchised people in our society, and the ready access to drugs, alcohol, vehicles and weapons. (And no, I don't mean to turn this into a gun control discussion - just making an observation.)

 

[Ausm]

Since 2005. This shit didn't happen till recently.

What do you think is the driving force behind the acceleration of these incidences?

 

[Matt1970]

Some shameless people in here. If you want to discuss gun control go start a thread for it but keep that shit out of here as you feign concern for the victims of this horrific incident.

Not targeted at you directly but be the bigger man, everyone, and let the gun control talk leave to another thread. I mean that for anyone engaging in that discussion.

I applaud your efforts but look at OP. This thread already started about gun control.

 

[jackstar7]

Since 2005. This shit didn't happen till recently.

Sept 2004: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/ns/politics/t/congress-lets-assault-weapons-ban-expire/

 

[Thump553]

If you think this couldn't be more disgusting US Today is reporting most of the victims were in a kindergarten class. Apparently the shooter was a 20 y.o male.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/14/school-shooting-connecticut/1769367/

If such a thing can happen in Newtown it can happen in any town anywhere in the USA.

 

[Ausm]

Sept 2004: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/ns/politics/t/congress-lets-assault-weapons-ban-expire/

Bingo!

 

[Matt1970]

What do you think is the driving force behind the acceleration of these incidences?

I think parents are not instilling the value of human life in kids these days. They are raise with no real consequences for their actions.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Sept 2004: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/ns/politics/t/congress-lets-assault-weapons-ban-expire/

Columbine was long before that time, and occurred while the AWB was in place. The weapons used today (two semi-automatic pistols) would have been perfectly legal under the AWB (though admittedly the AWB included restrictions on magazine size which MIGHT have helped).

Actually if anything today's tragedy reminds me of the Bath school bombing, in which 38 kids died without a single shot being fired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

 

[Binarycow]

I think parents are not instilling the value of human life in kids these days. They are raise with no real consequences for their actions.

This.

 

[jackstar7]

Columbine was long before that time, and occurred while the AWB was in place. The weapons used today (two semi-automatic pistols) would have been perfectly legal under the AWB (though admittedly the AWB included restrictions on magazine size which MIGHT have helped).

Actually if anything today's tragedy reminds me of the Bath school bombing, in which 38 kids died without a single shot being fired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

He brought up 2005, I brought up what happened just before 2005.

Correlation isn't causation, but not at least investigating is negligent as well.

 

[Jaskalas]

At this point it seems likeliest that this was a disgruntled/wacky parent, though obviously we have much to learn still.

I've read he is a 20 y.o, so... a kid in elementary... if he fathered when he was 15? Doesn't seem likely.

 

[mizzou]

we need to do more to figure out what to do with the mentally insane in this country.

FUCK!

Any details on the shooter yet?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I applaud your efforts but look at OP. This thread already started about gun control.

I see that as a lost cause. I know others can be more reasonable.

 

[halik]

Ryan Lanza on facebook
http://www.facebook.com/rlanza?id=24209412

 

[Bowfinger]

NBC is now reporting as unconfirmed that the shooter was Ryan Lanza, 24 years old, and his mother worked at that school. They are implying she is one of the victims at the school, though they stressed over and over that this information is not confirmed and may very likely change.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I've read he is a 20 y.o, so... a kid in elementary... if he fathered when he was 15? Doesn't seem likely.

I agree, in light of that information. I didn't know he was 20 at the time of my post. Just makes it even harder to parse what happened here.

 

[Subyman]

Looks like his name is Ryan Lanza and he was 24. I'm astounded by this news. You would never think kindergarteners are in danger, but then someone's horrific actions change all that.

 

[finglobes]

"Hmm, seems that the mass shootings have seriously ramped up since Obama has been in office. Therefore it must be Obamas fault!!!"

I expected a lot of shootings under Obama and I expect more. Contrary to popular belief its easy to hypnotize or brainwash people into doing things they normally wouldn't. The Regan shooting of Hinckley was a good example of a mentally weak person being used to kill. All that Jodi Foster stuff was a garbage layer of suggestion to conceal the real people behind assassination attempt. The Batman shooter was another created shooter. Not sure what the deal is with this school shooting but with 11% of Americans on antidepressants nothing would surprise me. Oh and when Obama starts waxing remorseful lets not forget he and Holder got over 200 Mexicans killed with fast and furious and secretly loves these shooting and the "opportunities" they bring. What a dirt-bag.