Connecticut School shooting!

[dmens]

Which is exactly why it should be considered as a bargaining chip in the upcoming negotiations. Let them legislate nothing into nothing, in return for backing down on some conditions of the ban or something.

Not exactly. They are really going after a federal ban on private sales. That is unacceptable.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

For the last time, there is no gun show loophole.

There is, in the sense that it is a large, public commercial venue in which people can buy guns without any background check. Many states have enacted laws requiring background checks, or imposing other limitations on sales, at gun sales for this reason. Whether or not it's accurately called a "loophole" is a semantic distinction, but in any event it is a gun marketplace that does not require background checks.

 

[jackstar7]

Not exactly. They are really going after a federal ban on private sales. That is unacceptable.

What will you do when it happens?

 

[dmens]

What will you do when it happens?

I'll buy my guns on the black market.

 

[BoberFett]

Which is exactly why it should be considered as a bargaining chip in the upcoming negotiations. Let them legislate nothing into nothing, in return for backing down on some conditions of the ban or something.

I prefer to discuss things with honesty and facts rather than resort politics. I guess I'm just a romantic...

 

[Munky]

There is, in the sense that it is a large, public commercial venue in which people can buy guns without any background check. Many states have enacted laws requiring background checks, or imposing other limitations on sales, at gun sales for this reason. Whether or not it's accurately called a "loophole" is a semantic distinction, but in any event it is a gun marketplace that does not require background checks.

A background check is done before a person is issued a gun license. And you are required to show a valid gun license before you can buy at a gun show. Hence, the so-called "gun show loophole" is a myth fabricated by certain people with certain interests.

 

[BoberFett]

There is, in the sense that it is a large, public commercial venue in which people can buy guns without any background check. Many states have enacted laws requiring background checks, or imposing other limitations on sales, at gun sales for this reason. Whether or not it's accurately called a "loophole" is a semantic distinction, but in any event it is a gun marketplace that does not require background checks.

Not at all correct. Licensed dealers at a gun show must do the exact same checks at the show that they would do at the shop. Private sellers can bring a firearm to sell, yes. But they can do that in their own home just as easily. That's how GunsAmerica or other private sale sites work. Is the internet a loophole? As for private sellers having tables full of firearms at a show, it simply doesn't work that way. The ATF will come down hard on any private seller moving dealer level volume.

 

[TallBill]

A background check is done before a person is issued a gun license. And you are required to show a valid gun license before you can buy at a gun show. Hence, the so-called "gun show loophole" is a myth fabricated by certain people with certain interests.

Plenty of states don't have gun licensing.

 

[BoberFett]

Plenty of states don't have gun licensing.

Correct, but that doesn't change the fact that there's still no gun show loophole. ATF rules apply across the board, purchase license or no.

 

[TallBill]

Correct, but that doesn't change the fact that there's still no gun show loophole. ATF rules apply across the board, purchase license or no.

I know

 

[BoberFett]

I know

I know you do, but it has to be spelled out for others who continually use the same debunked arguments. No need to give them ammo. (no pun intended)

 

[TallBill]

I know you do, but it has to be spelled out for others who continually use the same debunked arguments. No need to give them ammo. (no pun intended)

I know that you knew that I know. I just wanted a few consecutive posts of truths.

 

[schneiderguy]

-Straw purchases were number 1.

The ATF knows about the "baby mommas" in Oakland that are purchasing guns for their "baby daddies" who are prohibited from legally buying guns, since they are felons.

They don't do anything because it would be bad publicity to be prosecuting single mothers.

 

[TallBill]

The ATF knows about the "baby mommas" in Oakland that are purchasing guns for their "baby daddies" who are prohibited from legally buying guns, since they are felons.

They don't do anything because it would be bad publicity to be prosecuting single mothers.

Might have to start.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

A background check is done before a person is issued a gun license. And you are required to show a valid gun license before you can buy at a gun show. Hence, the so-called "gun show loophole" is a myth fabricated by certain people with certain interests.

Only in some states. I have never had a "gun license" for any of the guns I have purchased.

I still think the word "loophole" is appropriate in that gun shows are, among other things, aggregations of private sellers with guns for sale, which can be purchased without background checks. While I do not support additional gun bans, I would have no problem with requiring at least background checks for all gun sales at gun shows, or with the federal government splitting this cost with the sellers.

 

[Farmer]

Gun show loophole is just that personal sales do not need to go through an FFL, and hence do not need NICS background check. It is not limited to gun shows. In PA, there is similarly no "gun license." There is only a license to carry, required for concealed carry and transport in a vehicle. Otherwise, you just need to show valid ID indicating you are of age.

However, if a gun you sold via a private deal is later used in a crime, you will up shit's creek, which is why I'd always use an FFL unless it's to someone I know and trust explicitly.

 

[spidey07]

Person to person sales are fine. It's private property.

Once you start moving multiples, then you're into dealer territory and current laws require a background check.

There is no "gunshow loophole". It's completely fucked up misinformation. One thing you can count on, the gun grabbers have no idea of which they speak...yet they still spout the same proven wrong rumors.

Oh well, my lowers and AK appear to be coming along with another 20 30 round magazines. As well as 20 "bananna clips" for the AK. I'm set on ammo.

 

[TallBill]

Gun show loophole is just that personal sales do not need to go through an FFL, and hence do not need NICS background check. It is not limited to gun shows. In PA, there is similarly no "gun license." There is only a license to carry, required for concealed carry and transport in a vehicle.

However, if a gun you sold via a private deal is later used in a crime, you will up shit's creek, which is why I'd always use an FFL unless it's to someone know and trust explicitly.

I have a simple signed document with make, model, serial, my name, and buyers name for guns that I've sold face to face. If I'm going in the creek, its downhill and with competitive rowers behind the paddles.

 

[spidey07]

I have a simple signed document with make, model, serial, my name, and buyers name for guns that I've sold face to face. If I'm going in the creek, its downhill and with competitive rowers behind the paddles.

Yep. Wasn't me and heres the signed document to prove it.

 

[BladeVenom]

Brownell's, world's largest gun parts supplier, has reported they've sold 3.5 years worth of PMAGS (plastic "high" capacity magazines) in just 72 hours. They've sold even more of their own brand. That would be over a 40,000% increase in sales.

So all this gun control talk by politicians and the media is going to put far more "high" capacity magazines on the streets than if they had done nothing.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Brownell's, world's largest gun parts supplier, has reported they've sold 3.5 years worth of PMAGS (plastic "high" capacity magazines) in just 72 hours. They've sold even more of their own brand. That would be over a 40,000% increase in sales.

So all this gun control talk by politicians and the media is going to put far more "high" capacity magazines on the streets than if they had done nothing.

Well, potentially. The NRA has been selling the American public snake oil for years about the Obama administration's secret plan to ban guns, and thus sales have been strong for a long time. Obviously if laws were passed to ban full-capacity magazines the flow would stop, and thus ultimately there would be fewer than if the ban had not been enacted. I personally think the ban would be silly, but no sillier than the NRA's stupid propaganda over the last four years.

 

[spidey07]

Strong would be an understatement. Records have been broke every month since he got elected. The NICS system was shut down. That's not the NRA. That's because of obamas own words, his history. Pay attention to what he's saying, pay attention to his record. Pay attention to the rhetoric spewn by democrats as they bathe in the blood of children celebrating with glee.

Fucking pay attention.

 

[BladeVenom]

All you have to do is look at what he's said. Here's a liberal news source.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/obama-gun-control-timeline_n_2338860.html

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Strong would be an understatement. Records have been broke every month since he got elected. The NICS system was shut down. That's not the NRA. That's because of obamas own words, his history. Pay attention to what he's saying, pay attention to his record. Pay attention to the rhetoric spewn by democrats as they bathe in the blood of children celebrating with glee.

Fucking pay attention.

President Obama's record has been that of a conservative Democrat, on the issue of guns. He gets an F from the Brady Campaign. Yes, he has been talking about gun law reforms of late, but as a practical matter it is unlikely he will be able to pass anything as severe as the AWB, much less more severe, assuming he even wants to. The NRA, during the President's first term, has been floating the laughable idea that he was waiting for his second term to pass sweeping gun ban legislation. Only a fool would believe that given his record.

 

[spidey07]

You don't know his record then. you are not listening to his words, deeds and actions.

You are not paying attention.

Are you also not paying attention to leading democrats in the house and senate? Are you also not paying attention to their words, deeds, and actions?

This is what is called willfull ignorance. Are you even paying attention to what the fuckstain in office is saying? Have you even listened to his "demands"? Or will you forever remain willfully ignorant.

Thank GOD for republicans in the house.