Connecticut School shooting!

[nehalem256]

Your assumptions that criminals obeying the law are laughable and baseless. Gun control is more than making laws, it is very cultural in the United States that making guns and owning guns is part of the American lifestyle.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people and those people are the product of their own choices which are driven by their circumstance. You should blame broken families and high unemployment rates before you blame guns.

There are plenty of unstable people all around us who given the right circumstances will get mad and do something violent in reaction. We need to fix the root of the problem, gun control is like medication for masking the symptoms of a bigger problem.

Given that the shooters parents lived in different states this seems likely.

Of course given liberals support of having children out-of-wedlock and no-fault divorce good luck getting them to support policies to prevent broken families.

Just blame the guns.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You allude to needing stricter gun laws if not an outright ban which we know doesn't work (Chicago anyone?)...I've said the laws we have are sensible enough if not too much to begin with restricting lawful use rather than criminals...so you're up tiger, what's "sensible" to you?

One needs to get tough on the criminals rather than coddle them.

 

[berzerker60]

You're welcome to move to China...in fact I'll buy you a ticket

Great argument, I guess we can never ever learn anything from the experiences of non-Americans or appreciate that sometimes good things happen elsewhere. Otherwise, you might as well leave!

 

[corwin]

One needs to get tough on the criminals rather than coddle them.

Exactly...

Great argument, I guess we can never ever learn anything from the experiences of non-Americans or appreciate that sometimes good things happen elsewhere. Otherwise, you might as well leave!

Yes, let's learn something from China...seriously, you should go live there a while and then report back to us.

 

[Saint Nick]

It's unbelievable how many there are in here and you can really have fun pissing me off because it is SO easy.

 

[Matt1970]

I too said many years ago this kind of Max Max would ramp up.

Well what do you think the reason is?

Could it be the horrible shape Bush left the economy in?

God Damn you are a colossal idiot.

 

[berzerker60]

Yes, let's learn something from China...seriously, you should go live there a while and then report back to us.

God you're dense. It's possible for 90% of aspects of a place to be shitty and that not disqualify the remaining 10%.

If someone in Somalia had a great business model for cell phone sales, you're allowed to point that out and suggest trying it out in the U.S. "Why don't you just move there if you like it so much?" would be an equally stupid argument in that case. It's the half-grown-up "if you like it so much why don't you just marry it?!?"

 

[BoberFett]

AKA NRA padding Politician's pockets to ignore the issues.

Ausm: Making Democrats Look Bad Daily

 

[Screech]

This thread makes me worry for the future of humanity.

Also, obama gave a brief press conference.

 

[corwin]

God you're dense. It's possible for 90% of aspects of a place to be shitty and that not disqualify the remaining 10%.

If someone in Somalia had a great business model for cell phone sales, you're allowed to point that out and suggest trying it out in the U.S. "Why don't you just move there if you like it so much?" would be an equally stupid argument in that case. It's the half-grown-up "if you like it so much why don't you just marry it?!?"

No it's more along the lines of "if you dislike our constitution and laws so much get the fuck out"

Or try to repeal the 2nd amendment, you're free to start that movement

 

[BoberFett]

Another one for the Rightwing hate machine....Welcome!

You do nothing BUT spew hate.

 

[BoberFett]

<-----Ducking for the Rabid Rightists in this forum (of which there are a SHITLOAD still pissed from getting their ass kicked in the last Election) swooping down on this red meat.

Your rage fluctuates like the wind blows...go home and hump your Ronnie Raygun doll and things will be alright.

How does this guy not get banned?

 

[OutHouse]

One needs to get tough on the criminals rather than coddle them.

lately the gunmen who do crimes like today, and in oregon, aurora have no criminal history and getting tough on them is pretty hard to do when they are dead.

 

[OutHouse]

I didnt do my daily news thing today so when i went to the pizza shop for lunch there was a group of customers watching the tv... i watched it with them while my sub was being made. really sad i started to tear up so i went outside to be alone for a few.

 

[tydas]

This thread needs to be closed and anyone who posted banned...

 

[emperus]

I guess the gun he bought worked well. He killed a lot of people. Young, Innocent People. Yes, people kill people and GUNS help facilitate that.

I'm at a loss to understand this. What kind of Monster does something like this? And what kind of nation are we that we allow a monster the means to do something like this?

 

[yllus]

That's part of it. It goes further than that though. There's a general lack of respect for anyone or anything in American society. The same thing that drives a CEO to lay off half the company to increase his bonus is seen everywhere, it's general selfishness, and it applies to all income levels, classes, races, sexes. It's pointless to compare the US to the EU countries when talking about gun violence and gun laws. Europeans, in my experience, have far more empathy for their fellow man that Americans which I believe is the root issue.

There's definitely a culture difference between the U.S. and elsewhere. In my mind I keep coming back to the thought that America has a high risk, high reward culture. If you make it big in America, you make it bigger than you would anywhere else - but if you fail, there's only a faint semblance of a social safety net to catch you.

That leads to people cheering on borderline sociopathic behaviour (making money hand over fist in the financial industry and letting pension funds and the public purse take the hit for big losses) or making absurdly risky life choices (why study to get into college when you can get into the NBA or sling meth around town and rap about it later). It has its positives as well - true innovation takes a superhuman amount of ego and self-belief, and nobody does innovation like the U.S.A. - but there are real negatives to when that doesn't work out.

 

[OutHouse]

This thread needs to be closed and anyone who posted banned...

including you?

 

[BoberFett]

One needs to get tough on the criminals rather than coddle them.

People that do this often kill themselves before there's a chance to put them into the justice system. You can't get tougher on them than that. As was stated elsewhere in this thread, we don't do a very good job of identifying mental illness and treating it properly in this country. Giving them pills and dumping that back out on the street is not treatment.

 

[BoberFett]

There's definitely a culture difference between the U.S. and elsewhere. In my mind I keep coming back to the thought that America has a high risk, high reward culture. If you make it big in America, you make it bigger than you would anywhere else - but if you fail, there's only a faint semblance of a social safety net to catch you.

That leads to people cheering on borderline sociopathic behaviour (making money hand over fist in the financial industry and letting pension funds and the public purse take the hit for big losses) or making absurdly risky life choices (why study to get into college when you can get into the NBA or sling meth around town and rap about it later). It has its positives as well - true innovation takes a superhuman amount of ego and self-belief, and nobody does innovation like the U.S.A. - but there are real negatives to when that doesn't work out.

Good points.

 

[Paul98]

This is hard to watch and even think of happening. Maybe we will see some real attention to mental health issues in this country.

 

[corwin]

This is hard to watch and even think of happening. Maybe we will see some real attention to mental health issues in this country.

Nope...gotta blame the tool, it's not the people or their mental problems it's the tool they choose to hurt others with

Seriously though I hope they do

 

[Saint Nick]

Ausm: Making Democrats Look Bad Daily

I think when he registered, he forgot the "ti" in his user name.

 

[Agent11]

Sensible Gun control may seem Political to your unemployed mind but it seems like common sense to me.

Do you have any idea how many guns are currently privately owned? You may say you would go get them... Do you have any idea how many perfectly legal UNREGISTERED guns there are?

What you propose is not only unconstitutional but impossible.

 

[Retro Rob]

I'd better not here "well, he passed a background check and had no history of violence".

Something needs to be done and I am sick of such a reactive society that tends to make changes AFTER something happens. How much more blood has to be spilled until we realize that we need to make some major freaking reforms to what qualifies a potential gun owner to be one?

We ought to start looking at what's in the best long-term interests of our country and society and not be so hell-freaking-bent on what "my rights are".