Connecticut School shooting!

[Retro Rob]

How exactly do you propose to provide that "clean environment"?

That's the thing, the culture just really has to change. You know, there are many people that use guns responsibly and drives cars with care, yet, the few that don't screw it up for everyone.

I just WISH there was a way to just due away with the scum that makes life hard on everyone else. People find ways to circumvent laws. This scum has to be gone. No amount of government intervention is going to do this.

I don't know, Darwin,... I am just a US citizen that is sick and tired of crap like this, though it doesn't happen THAT often. Innocent people have to keep dying. There just shouldn't be an "acceptable casualty rate".

Don't know man, just venting, tired of the overwhelmingly bad news.. just as everyone else is.

 

[Retro Rob]

Would you use a gun to protect the life of your child?

Would you purchase a gun with the intent on protecting the life of your child?

If the life of your child was threatened and moving simply wasn't an option, would you do the above?

You are a good and decent man, at least from what I can tell, Rob. I know you would do it but you wouldn't like it one damn bit. Its sort of the same situation here except they had no prior warning. How do you protect yourself and your family when you don't know a threat even exists?

Thanks for the compliment!

I would do what I have to do to protect my wife (no kids... yet, anyway!!) even if blood had to be shed but I don't ever, EVER want to kill someone unless it was necessary.

I dont know, man. I try my best to prevent stuff from happening to myself -- getting in before it get too late, staying away from high-crime areas, etc, though often it comes to you. I was robbed at gun-point about 10 years ago so I know what it feels like to be a victim of crime.

I just really don't know, man.

 

[TallBill]

People are tired of it having to come to that, especially when it comes to having your kids in a safe, clean, learning enviroment.

The day that school staff have to carry is the day I start homeschooling.

Nobody said anything about mandatory.... a bunch of college professors already illegally carry in their classrooms because there is less of a stigma and a slap on the wrist if they get caught.

 

[Retro Rob]

Nobody said anything about mandatory.... a bunch of college professors already illegally carry in their classrooms because there is less of a stigma and a slap on the wrist if they get caught.

I hear ya.

But people only carry when they don't necessarily feel safe. If they felt safe, they wouldn't have to carry..

All I am saying is when a school enviroment feels like a "street" enviroment, then there's a definite issue.

I shouldn't feel the same way in my school as I feel walking down a street in a shady neighborhood.

 

[TallBill]

I hear ya.

But people only carry when they don't necessarily feel safe. If they felt safe, they wouldn't have to carry..

All I am saying is when a school enviroment feels like a "street" enviroment, then there's a definite issue.

I shouldn't feel the same way in my school as I feel walking down a street in a shady neighborhood.

Not true at all my friend. People who carry for those reasons are idiots. If you don't feel safe, its usually to late to make that decision.

I have a fire extinguisher in my house, I'm not afraid of fire. Its a tool for emergencies. Nothing more.

(I'm talking about ccw specifically, not all firearms)

 

[Retro Rob]

must resist..... sarcastic comment...... about last debate......


lol, how goes it bud? Not the best of debates to be meeting as adversaries again but I hope all is well with you and your family.

All good.. outside of a couple "drinks"!!!

Ditto to you and yours.

 

[Retro Rob]

Not true at all my friend. People who carry for those reasons are idiots. If you don't feel safe, its usually to late to make that decision.

I have a fire extinguisher in my house, I'm not afraid of fire. Its a tool for emergencies. Nothing more.

Touche!

 

[Darwin333]

Thanks for the compliment!

I would do what I have to do to protect my wife (no kids... yet, anyway!!) even if blood had to be shed but I don't ever, EVER want to kill someone unless it was necessary.

I dont know, man. I try my best to prevent stuff from happening to myself -- getting in before it get too late, staying away from high-crime areas, etc, though often it comes to you. I was robbed at gun-point about 10 years ago so I know what it feels like to be a victim of crime.

I just really don't know, man.

Neither do I my friend, I honestly don't know either. What I do know is that I would like the option to defend my family, as horrible as I might feel afterwards, if necessary. I might feel horrible about it but I would be able to live with myself. Allowing my wife and two daughters to be hurt or much much worse, not so much.

There are two phrases that come to mind right now:

You hope for the best but prepare for the worst
and

It is far better to have and not need than to need and not have (pretty sure thats from the boyscouts)

PS: Wasn't really a compliment, was simply the truth as I see it. If new evidence arises I am more than willing to alter what I perceive as truth but I can only make assumptions on evidence that I currently have (I SO hope that you get this joke lol).

PPS: If you need any help with the "kid" thing I can give you a few pointers. Seems that I have it really really down pat LOL.

 

[TallBill]

You should also avoid shady neighborhoods lol.

 

[Darwin333]

All good.. outside of a couple "drinks"!!!

Ditto to you and yours.

The drinks are absolutely on me, when are you and the wife coming down to N'awlins again?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

That's the thing, the culture just really has to change. You know, there are many people that use guns responsibly and drives cars with care, yet, the few that don't screw it up for everyone.

I just WISH there was a way to just due away with the scum that makes life hard on everyone else. People find ways to circumvent laws. This scum has to be gone. No amount of government intervention is going to do this.

I don't know, Darwin,... I am just a US citizen that is sick and tired of crap like this, though it doesn't happen THAT often. Innocent people have to keep dying. There just shouldn't be an "acceptable casualty rate".

Don't know man, just venting, tired of the overwhelmingly bad news.. just as everyone else is.

And this where the utopia with unicorns and ponies comes in :whiste:

Quit thinking that you're living in 'MERICA - HOME OF DER FREE AND DER BRAVE! You aren't living in a perfect country with perfect ideals with perfect people.

It's just... you're born here in the US and you just are under this false principle that we are so distant from countries in the middle east that erupt into violence all the time

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The drinks are absolutely on me, when are you and the wife coming down to N'awlins again?

Oh that explains it - anyone with more than minimum wage instantly becomes conservative when you live in places like New Orleans

 

[Druidx]

Your post is so full of fail. Replies in bold.

Bottomline.

It's other people's sons and daughter that died and not those gun nuts' sons and daughter and those gun nuts are not going to give up their beloved toy and penis extension.

They are not even going to give up the access to high powered guns, large number of ammunition, or make the waiting period longer, or make background check more comprehensive and thorough.
High powered, high capacity weapons???? Where not even used here, nor are they common in most crimes you talk about.

Oh no, they said, they can't be bothered by the trouble, it's their toys and other people's life, and they will choose their toys and their fun everyday. They say it with straight face it's their right against some dictator like with today's election system, separation of state and military, they still need guns to fight against army of tanks, jets and nuclear war ahead. Please, we know those gun nuts are not too intelligent, but don't keep telling these shit like we are as dumb as they are.


And it's this kind of selfish act and idiotic justification that those gun nuts keep pushing that this great nation is going to see this type of tragedy year after year. How many mass gun shooting we had this year? I lost count. Nothing has been done and will be done. Guns will continue to fall into the wrong hand. People with shit life, mental problem, or just having a bad day with lots of alcohol is gonna to take advantage of this easy access to guns and ammunition that makes killing easy to take out their pain on someone else.
You blame easy access but that argument fails every time it's brought up due to low gun crime rates in nations with even easier access than in the US. On top of that, the two areas in the US with the highest murder rates have the most restrictive gun laws in the US.
You make a mockery of the real problem with your simple solution to what is a complex problem.

While people like that in the rest of the world have to rely on their bare hand, or just some knife and damage will be kept to the minimum. People like that in the US can easily take out 20, 30, 40, man, women and in the case yesterday, children, before they can be stopped or kill themselves.

This will keep happening. Because after all these shooting, not one single action has been taken. NRA has even make it easier to access gun and to take guns around everywhere.
You blame the NRA??? Please tell me how many times an NRA member has been involved in a mass killing. The truth is the NRA has supported several common sense gun laws. What they don't support is stupid laws that infringe others rights while having little or no effect on the problem the law is suppose to fix.


The selfishness of those gun nuts is responsible for every single one of those gun violence. Their rush to defend themselves every time a mass shooting happened showed that they know it themselves. They can keep denying it, make up shit excuse and reasons thinking the rest of the world is as dumb as they are, but they know deep down in their heart, their hand has the blood of every single one of those beautiful 6 and 7 years old that died so unnecessarily.
You blame people who abide by the law, saying they have blood on their hands??? The truth is, it's people like who make it so hard to have a reasonable discussion.

 

[Retro Rob]

The drinks are absolutely on me, when are you and the wife coming down to N'awlins again?

Drinks on you! Next week then! Lol

 

[Farmer]

It's hard to believe the debate in P&N is more rational and level headed than that in OT, but it is

 

[jpeyton]

While I have a couple maybe I should ditch them and support banning all guns.

You really should. Trust me, I have your best interests at heart.

And yes I may be an idiot when it comes to gun specifics. But then again I have no need to know more about them then I do.

Indeed, there is no need to know the specifics when proposing legislation. In fact, if you propose a ban on "30 round clips", the NRA will endorse that within an hour. I can live without "30 round clips". So can most M1 Garand owners.

That being said, it is FAR too easy for someone to obtain a high powered weapon these days. There HAS to be serious reform as a result of these shootings. Assault weapons should be outright banned, and there needs to be much stricter laws around who can obtain a gun. It's downright sickening what goes on at these gun shows and how easy it is for people to obtain weapons.

The Newtown shooter tried to purchase firearms and was rejected. He then murdered his mother and stole her firearms, but I'm pretty sure there is already a law against murder and theft.

My question to anyone here is this: why are you so obsessed with targeting assault weapons, which are only involved in 2% of gun crimes? Are you only interested in largely symbolic, but statistically meaningless legislation? I ask because 98% of gun crimes aren't committed with assault weapons, like the Virginia Tech massacre (the deadliest in US history). If you were trying to make an impact, why are you expending your time, effort and money on legislation which will make the smallest impact?

They are not even going to give up the access to high powered guns, large number of ammunition, or make the waiting period longer, or make background check more comprehensive and thorough.

Did you know Connecticut has an assault weapons ban law? Or that most hunting rifles have twice the "power" of an AR-15? Do you know much about guns at all?

 

[marrr]

Did you know Connecticut has an assault weapons ban law? Or that most hunting rifles have twice the "power" of an AR-15? Do you know much about guns at all?

http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/assaultweapon.htm

 

[TallBill]

http://www.jud.ct.gov/JI/criminal/glossary/assaultweapon.htm

Lmao that law is a fucking joke.

 

[OverVolt]

Bottomline.

It's other people's sons and daughter that died and not those gun nuts' sons and daughter and those gun nuts are not going to give up their beloved toy and penis extension.

They are not even going to give up the access to high powered guns, large number of ammunition, or make the waiting period longer, or make background check more comprehensive and thorough.

Oh no, they said, they can't be bothered by the trouble, it's their toys and other people's life, and they will choose their toys and their fun everyday. They say it with straight face it's their right against some dictator like with today's election system, separation of state and military, they still need guns to fight against army of tanks, jets and nuclear war ahead. Please, we know those gun nuts are not too intelligent, but don't keep telling these shit like we are as dumb as they are.

And it's this kind of selfish act and idiotic justification that those gun nuts keep pushing that this great nation is going to see this type of tragedy year after year. How many mass gun shooting we had this year? I lost count. Nothing has been done and will be done. Guns will continue to fall into the wrong hand. People with shit life, mental problem, or just having a bad day with lots of alcohol is gonna to take advantage of this easy access to guns and ammunition that makes killing easy to take out their pain on someone else.

While people like that in the rest of the world have to rely on their bare hand, or just some knife and damage will be kept to the minimum. People like that in the US can easily take out 20, 30, 40, man, women and in the case yesterday, children, before they can be stopped or kill themselves.

This will keep happening. Because after all these shooting, not one single action has been taken. NRA has even make it easier to access gun and to take guns around everywhere.

The selfishness of those gun nuts is responsible for every single one of those gun violence. Their rush to defend themselves every time a mass shooting happened showed that they know it themselves. They can keep denying it, make up shit excuse and reasons thinking the rest of the world is as dumb as they are, but they know deep down in their heart, their hand has the blood of every single one of those beautiful 6 and 7 years old that died so unnecessarily.

The media is well more than doubly responsible for them because of all the coverage mass murders get on TV.

 

[jackstar7]

The media is well more than doubly responsible for them because of all the coverage mass murders get on TV.

This line of argument would make more sense of the killers didn't frequently off themselves. As it stands, it just sounds like a thinly veiled axe being ground against the media.

 

[rchiu]

Yeah but but but guys run around with enough ammo and the ability to kill 20~30 people by themselves before police even got there isn't high power or high capacity....(Yeah I know how you gun nutz defines assault weapon, I am going by real world killing capacity and I don't care what you people define on paper)

Go ahead and continue to defend your little toys and the need to feel more like a man through guns and your selfish need to enjoy your little hobby in the expense of child murdering tools falling to the wrong hands.

Oh and I am not surprised at all the gun people coming out of woodwork to defend their little hobby, and that's why this kind of tragedy is going to happen again and again in the US.

 

[Druidx]

Yeah but but but guys run around with enough ammo and the ability to kill 20~30 people by themselves before police even got there isn't high power or high capacity....(Yeah I know how you gun nutz defines assault weapon, I am going by real world killing capacity and I don't care what you people define on paper)

Go ahead and continue to defend your little toys and the need to feel more like a man through guns and your selfish need to enjoy your little hobby in the expense of child murdering tools falling to the wrong hands.

While you run around laying the blame where it doesn't belong. Easier to point fingers than give actual thought on what might prevent tragedies like this.

 

[rchiu]

The media is well more than doubly responsible for them because of all the coverage mass murders get on TV.

Last time I checked Adam Lanza killed those kids with guns and not with video cameras. Yet another pathetic attempt to divert attention and responsibility. But not unexpected out of you gun lovers.

 

[Ausm]

Huckabee blames mass shooting in Conn. on "Lack of God" in the classroom

LMFAO

http://now.msn.com/huckabee-blames-school-shooting-on-no-god-in-classroom?ocid=ansnow11


When I see Atheists fly jumbo jets into the next skyscraper, I might believe him.

 

[rchiu]

While you run around laying the blame where it doesn't belong. Easier to point fingers than give actual thought on what might prevent tragedies like this.

I already have my thought that might prevent this tragedies, where is yours? and don't give me fuzzy logic crap like cure mental illness shit.

People all over the world have mental illness and bad days, but they lack the means to take their pain and frustration out on other people. Unlike American killers that have done it over and over and over and now to 6 and 7 years old.