Connecting to University internet, DHCP

[NarcoticHobo]

Alright here is the deal: I go to a university which requires a certain antivirus in order to connect to the internet (F-Secure). This is checked via a bradford security program. I am running windows xp 64-bit and thus cannot run either of those programs. In the past I was able to bypass the system by specifying the DNS server and default gateway from a computer already on the network, but this semester it doesn't seem to be working. As of right now I have specified the DNS and am able to connect using IE but cannot get any programs that require logon to work (AIM, games, mail).

I've noticed that computers connected to the network are using one DHCP server while I am getting assigned another DHCP server. I think perhaps if there were a way to specify which DHCP server IP i requested to I could bypass the system again, so does anyone know how to do that?

Other than that let me know what else I can try.

Edit: thought this forum might be more appropriate.

 

[spidey07]

Nope. Their security is shutting you out and doing it's job If you aren't compliant you are "quarntined" from the network.

 

[netsysadmin]

Why not just contact the admin and explain that you are running a 64 bit OS and that you cannot run the required virus software, though you are willing to run a 64 bit approved one. That seems like a reasonable request that they should OK.

John

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: netsysadmin
Why not just contact the admin and explain that you are running a 64 bit OS and that you cannot run the required virus software, though you are willing to run a 64 bit approved one. That seems like a reasonable request that they should OK.

John

It does seem like a reasonable request... and I guess I should specify that I've already done that.

I've talked to the network admin several times and they say there is nothing they can do. Even though I'm running a 64-bit antivirus, and pose very little security risk.

 

[spidey07]

But you aren't following their security policy. Therefore you aren't allowed access to systems.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

So there is no way to specify the IP of the DHCP server you want to send requests to?

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: spidey07
But you aren't following their security policy. Therefore you aren't allowed access to systems.

I understand I'm not following their security policy... I wasn't following it last semester either. Me getting online is not hurting anyone and I need to be able to in order to do a large part of my schoolwork.

 

[spidey07]

Not one that I'm going to tell you about.

And even so you probably can't reach the DHCP server you want. You're being placed in a "guest" or quarntine net.

 

[Tlkki]

Have you tried typing in an ip. Not using a DHCP server at all. On my LAN, the DHCP server is buggy (or my NIC is), and it doesnt give my computer an ip. If i type it in manually, everything works fine. The ip needs to be within the private ip range of course.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Not one that I'm going to tell you about.

And even so you probably can't reach the DHCP server you want. You're being placed in a "guest" or quarntine net.

Yea I know... I know the dhcp server that I need to connect to in order to be placed in the regular network. Just need a way to specify it.

Why exactly won't you share? What do you find so morally reprehensible about me trying to take advantage of the internet I am paying for and am banned from using due to their arcane security requirements?

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: Tlkki
Have you tried typing in an ip. Not using a DHCP server at all. On my LAN, the DHCP server is buggy (or my NIC is), and it doesnt give my computer an ip. If i type it in manually, everything works fine. The ip needs to be within the private ip range of course.

Thats what used to work... but even if I specify the correct gateway, subnet, and ip address I cannot connect. I think they somehow updated their security to require the adapter to be set to dhcp.

 

[spidey07]

Because you are exactly the reason why they have those measures in place.

You're not compliant with policy and we don't help people circumvent security. So get compliant and then you can play.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because you are exactly the reason why they have those measures in place.

You're not compliant with policy and we don't help people circumvent security. So get compliant and then you can play.

Yes... they put security measures in place that check to make sure you have updates and antivirus in order to keep computer savvy people off their network, I'm sure it has nothing to do with trying to keep viruses off the network from the thousands of computer illiterate students who are logging on daily.

I would gladly get compliant if it didn't require me going out and spending $130 on an inferior OS.

Seriously your logic makes no sense, we have security to prevent idiots from spreading viruses, and to prevent people who are not paying for network use from clogging our network. I fit into neither one of those categories. If I had malicious intent I could just walk to my roommates computer and use it... its not about that though.

 

[spidey07]

You fit into the "the policy doesn't apply to me, so I will try to circumvent it"

Essentially turning a trusted network into an untrusted one. Yes, you're exactly the kind of person that needs to be kept off.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Do they provide you with a campus copy of 32bit OS?

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Do they provide you with a campus copy of 32bit OS?

No.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You fit into the "the policy doesn't apply to me, so I will try to circumvent it"

Essentially turning a trusted network into an untrusted one. Yes, you're exactly the kind of person that needs to be kept off.

So you think its perfectly reasonable for me to have to spend $130 to DOWNGRADE my computer so I can use the internet that I already paid for?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: NarcoticHobo
So you think its perfectly reasonable for me to have to spend $130 to DOWNGRADE my computer so I can use the internet that I already paid for?

Absolutely. You knew the policy, and willingly didn't follow it. Now you believe you are entitled to something.

entitlement mentality for the loss.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: NarcoticHobo
So you think its perfectly reasonable for me to have to spend $130 to DOWNGRADE my computer so I can use the internet that I already paid for?

Absolutely. You knew the policy, and willingly didn't follow it. Now you believe you are entitled to something.

entitlement mentality for the loss.

Except for one thing... when I accepted this university this was not the policy. I agreed to go to this school knowing I would be able to use my computer, now I cannot. There is something to be said for that as well.

Basically I paid for X and when it came time for them to deliver X they gave me Y. Now that surely is unfair. You fail to acknowledge that sometimes people are actually entitled to things.

 

[ch33zw1z]

spidey07 ftw...

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: NarcoticHobo

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: NarcoticHobo
So you think its perfectly reasonable for me to have to spend $130 to DOWNGRADE my computer so I can use the internet that I already paid for?

Absolutely. You knew the policy, and willingly didn't follow it. Now you believe you are entitled to something.

entitlement mentality for the loss.

Except for one thing... when I accepted this university this was not the policy. I agreed to go to this school knowing I would be able to use my computer, now I cannot. There is something to be said for that as well.

Basically I paid for X and when it came time for them to deliver X they gave me Y. Now that surely is unfair. You fail to acknowledge that sometimes people are actually entitled to things.

Last I checked, no one is forced to stay at a particular college. If you do not like their policy, leave and go to a college where you can do what you want. After all, it is your money.

And I do believe the organization providing you access to the Internet on their network can change the terms of the agreement when they want.

Spidey os right on. They have a policy. You can choose to follow it and have your access, or ou can choose not to and lose access. It's all up to you.

 

[NarcoticHobo]

Last I checked, no one is forced to stay at a particular college. If you do not like their policy, leave and go to a college where you can do what you want. After all, it is your money.

And I do believe the organization providing you access to the Internet on their network can change the terms of the agreement when they want.

Spidey os right on. They have a policy. You can choose to follow it and have your access, or ou can choose not to and lose access. It's all up to you.

How does it not matter that it is an unfair policy?

I would liken the situation to civil disobedience.

Also I'm a junior at this college and it is the first year that this policy is in effect, colleges only accept sophemore transfers so I basically am stuck at finishing my college education at this school. Besides it seems silly to leave a school over just that. I don't see why it is unreasonable for me to expect internet access in my situation. Show me why I should not expect it rather than just pointing out what their policy is, after all just because it is their policy does not make it correct.

The situation choices are:

A) Go without internet and have grades suffer
B) Spend $130 to downgrade my computer to meet policy
C) Circumvent security
D) Move to another college

Since I keep a stable virus free computer there wouldn't be any noticeable adverse effects on the network as a whole (as I said I've been doing it for a semester without any problems already) so it seems option C would cost very little and put that cost on my college while options A, B, and D would cost a great amount and put all of that on me.

Why make the decision to force the costs on me even though to put it on the college would be so small in comparison?

Another tidbit of information, while I was talking to the tech people about this problem last semester I told them that I found a way to bypass security, and they told me to go ahead and do this since they had no way of connecting me. Didn't bother mentioning this as I thought the situation would be clear enough in its own right. However it seems the people of this board are larger prudes about the security of my universities network than the people who actually run it.

 

[spidey07]

BUT I'M ENTITLED!!!!!

IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!

WAAAAAA!!!!!

Hat's off to your Uni for employing best practices for network security. Get used to it as the entire networking industry is moving to this model....don't comply, you don't talk. College camuses are the absolute worse in terms of difficult sense of entiltement, You can't tell me what to do, I know better than you, I'm smarter than you, I'm a special snowflake so your policy doesn't apply to me, you owe me. You get the picture.
:thumbsup:

Here's another tip. No woman your age wants to go back to your dorm room and have some fun. Move out of the dorms.

 

[netsysadmin]

You know the funny thing is the people that he is complaining about are members of this very board. It just so happens I am an Admin at a major college.

As Spidey says we do things for a reason. Oh and here is some good advice for you. Do not come off with the entitled attitude, because you will get shutdown fast!

John

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: netsysadmin
You know the funny thing is the people that he is complaining about are members of this very board. It just so happens I am an Admin at a major college.

As Spidey says we do things for a reason. Oh and here is some good advice for you. Do not come off with the entitled attitude, because you will get shutdown fast!

John

But you are stifling my freedom of speech and right to the Internet!!!!!!

I have a right and you must listen to me!!!! I'm gonna complain to the dean! I'm gonna post bad things about you on the Internet! I'm gonna tell my parents!


Go right ahead. This policy has already been signed by all involved parties and agreed upon. It's not like they just pull this crap out of their arse. There are 100s of hours of work with legal and getting approval from the governing bodies (whether it is a Uni or Enterprise or Service Provider). Go right ahead and complain.