Conroe 2.4GHz benchmarked

[degeester]

Here's guess to pricing in June. Intel & AMD comparison Look like Conroe mayl be cheaper for the equivalent CPU by quite a bit.

 

[Duvie]

Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

Agreed...on all points!
I think the missing link here is availability. If availability is low on Conroe, then what do you buy? If availability is low, then why not give all of your new chips to Dell first (which means that they are the only major supplier of Conroe systems for the Xmas holidays).
Duvie is quite correct that the pricing makes no sense at all, so we must be (edit:missing) something here...

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: Duvie
Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

Agreed...on all points!
I think the missing link here is availability. If availability is low on Conroe, then what do you buy? If availability is low, then why not give all of your new chips to Dell first (which means that they are the only major supplier of Conroe systems for the Xmas holidays).
Duvie is quite correct that the pricing makes no sense at all, so we must be something here...

I agree too ! I have not doubted that Conroe may be a good processor, but the pricing/performance just isn't right. I say wait until you can BUY one, check the reviews and talk to me then. Something just isn't right with this whole picture.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: designit
Dont be so optimistice about overclocking this new "Core Architecture" (conroe I mean).
Because of Advance shared cache, wide Dynamic execution, and smart memory access Intel has implemented, these new chips are unclockable. Yes you will be able to overclock them, but nothing will be stable, and nothing will pass. Another word corrupted OS and system. Why do you think no one has been able to overclock conroe as we have seen a few tests already (by the exterme overclocking experts)?
Every time they tried to overclock it, system crashed. They blame it on BIOS, but dont count on new bios to fix it. IT CAN NOT OVERCLOCK as stated the reasons above.
Who is going to put a wager on my prediction?

Me Me Me! So what's at stake? Btw, I like how you use the marketing terms "Wide Dynamic Execution" and "Smart Memory Access" to justify your belief. So anyways, what are we wagering?

How about the loser buys the winner a retail mainstream (2.4/2.66) conroe when they discover if the conroe overclocks or not. Whatever the retail price is at that time.

How much are you willing to lose designit??

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: pillage2001

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: designit
Dont be so optimistice about overclocking this new "Core Architecture" (conroe I mean).
Because of Advance shared cache, wide Dynamic execution, and smart memory access Intel has implemented, these new chips are unclockable. Yes you will be able to overclock them, but nothing will be stable, and nothing will pass. Another word corrupted OS and system. Why do you think no one has been able to overclock conroe as we have seen a few tests already (by the exterme overclocking experts)?
Every time they tried to overclock it, system crashed. They blame it on BIOS, but dont count on new bios to fix it. IT CAN NOT OVERCLOCK as stated the reasons above.
Who is going to put a wager on my prediction?

Me Me Me! So what's at stake? Btw, I like how you use the marketing terms "Wide Dynamic Execution" and "Smart Memory Access" to justify your belief. So anyways, what are we wagering?

How about the loser buys the winner a retail mainstream (2.4/2.66) conroe when they discover if the conroe overclocks or not. Whatever the retail price is at that time.

How much are you willing to lose designit??

Just to let you know Designit has been banned so he won't be responding to you post anytime soon from what i have heard.

 

[IntelUser2000]

why is it impossible to dicuss anything in internet forums without 75% of the posts eventually degrading into namecalling, why even post if all you are going to do is insult others and not add to the discussion.

Conroe has been tested in many situations, it has excelled in most, we don't know the full story, but from the good deal we do know things are looking good. Does this mean i'm an Intel fanboy?, does it mean that im a fool to beleive stuff that comes out 3 months before the processor is released? Not in my opinion, if you wan't to dicuss Conroe then you have to use what we know so far, an intellegent and reasonable person could certainly make an argument in favor of either Intel or AMD at this point, calling people names jsut because they disagree with you does not make you any more right. Certainly there are people who will continue to stick to one of these companies to the bitter end, but I think most of us here are not so single minded and will allow ourselves to be swayed if evidence continues to mount in Conroes favor, right now its just a matter of your trust for people at XS, for Intel, and for your ability to judge how the Core microarchitectre will effect real world performance.

just my 2 cents

That's the joys of being on internet, all the name-calling, threatning to kill, trolling. There is really not much civility on internet. BTW, your comment is one of the best on this thread, keep up the good work .

Are we taking into account Intel and AMD's different measurement of TDP? Ie AMD being the absoulte upper limit and the Intel only being something like 80% (number is rough estimate, but in real terms of power closer to reality, just misleading in comparison)

For Pentium 4/D's TDP is LOWER than actual power, but for Pentium M, it has been shown that TDP is equal or higher than actual power. Since Conroe can run on heatpipe with no fan, I think it would be similar to Pentium M at least.

Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

All you are is being skeptical. From the first IDF review, to look on the architecture, to synthetic benchmarks, there is no really clue that says Conroe can perform no less than superior.

Does it made sense that Intel is actually pricing Pentium D's at lower prices than X2's?? I bought Pentium D 805 for $149.99 Cdn!!! That's $135 for you US folks!!

Did it make sense back then when Intel came with Pentium 4 1.7GHz at a LOWER price than Pentium 4 1.5GHz?? However, they DID. Pentium 4 1.7GHz came at HALF the price of 1.5GHz for like 2 weeks.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

why is it impossible to dicuss anything in internet forums without 75% of the posts eventually degrading into namecalling, why even post if all you are going to do is insult others and not add to the discussion.

Conroe has been tested in many situations, it has excelled in most, we don't know the full story, but from the good deal we do know things are looking good. Does this mean i'm an Intel fanboy?, does it mean that im a fool to beleive stuff that comes out 3 months before the processor is released? Not in my opinion, if you wan't to dicuss Conroe then you have to use what we know so far, an intellegent and reasonable person could certainly make an argument in favor of either Intel or AMD at this point, calling people names jsut because they disagree with you does not make you any more right. Certainly there are people who will continue to stick to one of these companies to the bitter end, but I think most of us here are not so single minded and will allow ourselves to be swayed if evidence continues to mount in Conroes favor, right now its just a matter of your trust for people at XS, for Intel, and for your ability to judge how the Core microarchitectre will effect real world performance.

just my 2 cents

That's the joys of being on internet, all the name-calling, threatning to kill, trolling. There is really not much civility on internet. BTW, your comment is one of the best on this thread, keep up the good work .

Are we taking into account Intel and AMD's different measurement of TDP? Ie AMD being the absoulte upper limit and the Intel only being something like 80% (number is rough estimate, but in real terms of power closer to reality, just misleading in comparison)

For Pentium 4/D's TDP is LOWER than actual power, but for Pentium M, it has been shown that TDP is equal or higher than actual power. Since Conroe can run on heatpipe with no fan, I think it would be similar to Pentium M at least.

Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

All you are is being skeptical. From the first IDF review, to look on the architecture, to synthetic benchmarks, there is no really clue that says Conroe can perform no less than superior.

Does it made sense that Intel is actually pricing Pentium D's at lower prices than X2's?? I bought Pentium D 805 for $149.99 Cdn!!! That's $135 for you US folks!!

Did it make sense back then when Intel came with Pentium 4 1.7GHz at a LOWER price than Pentium 4 1.5GHz?? However, they DID. Pentium 4 1.7GHz came at HALF the price of 1.5GHz for like 2 weeks.

Actually the 805 did make sense...the 820D had been sub 200 for awhile and this is only 2.66ghz with a 533fsb....Withoiut ocing this thing is slower in most apps then my cpu from 2 years ago....It is only worth the money for ocers IMO....

Comparing that to a conroe is just absurd......The conroe at its slowest incarnation will beat the best they have now 965EE...So tell me how 1/4 the price makes sense....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

why is it impossible to dicuss anything in internet forums without 75% of the posts eventually degrading into namecalling, why even post if all you are going to do is insult others and not add to the discussion.

Conroe has been tested in many situations, it has excelled in most, we don't know the full story, but from the good deal we do know things are looking good. Does this mean i'm an Intel fanboy?, does it mean that im a fool to beleive stuff that comes out 3 months before the processor is released? Not in my opinion, if you wan't to dicuss Conroe then you have to use what we know so far, an intellegent and reasonable person could certainly make an argument in favor of either Intel or AMD at this point, calling people names jsut because they disagree with you does not make you any more right. Certainly there are people who will continue to stick to one of these companies to the bitter end, but I think most of us here are not so single minded and will allow ourselves to be swayed if evidence continues to mount in Conroes favor, right now its just a matter of your trust for people at XS, for Intel, and for your ability to judge how the Core microarchitectre will effect real world performance.

just my 2 cents

That's the joys of being on internet, all the name-calling, threatning to kill, trolling. There is really not much civility on internet. BTW, your comment is one of the best on this thread, keep up the good work .

Are we taking into account Intel and AMD's different measurement of TDP? Ie AMD being the absoulte upper limit and the Intel only being something like 80% (number is rough estimate, but in real terms of power closer to reality, just misleading in comparison)

For Pentium 4/D's TDP is LOWER than actual power, but for Pentium M, it has been shown that TDP is equal or higher than actual power. Since Conroe can run on heatpipe with no fan, I think it would be similar to Pentium M at least.

Why do you guys keep bumping this thread??? Wait for some actual benchmarks.....This thread is bloated enough for actually no decent news in it....


fact is if Intel sells their cpus at those prices, it will amount to dumping their product...It is going to make their sizeable supply of current cpus now virtually worthless in comparison to performance....

For that I am skeptical on pricing...it makes no business sense IMO...

http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/

look at those pentium D prices....They wont be able to beat the $241 conroe....I see a bunch of preslers and smithfields not selling or Intel sub 100 dollar cpus...

All you are is being skeptical. From the first IDF review, to look on the architecture, to synthetic benchmarks, there is no really clue that says Conroe can perform no less than superior.

Does it made sense that Intel is actually pricing Pentium D's at lower prices than X2's?? I bought Pentium D 805 for $149.99 Cdn!!! That's $135 for you US folks!!

Did it make sense back then when Intel came with Pentium 4 1.7GHz at a LOWER price than Pentium 4 1.5GHz?? However, they DID. Pentium 4 1.7GHz came at HALF the price of 1.5GHz for like 2 weeks.

Actually the 805 did make sense...the 820D had been sub 200 for awhile and this is only 2.66ghz with a 533fsb....Withoiut ocing this thing is slower in most apps then my cpu from 2 years ago....It is only worth the money for ocers IMO....

Comparing that to a conroe is just absurd......The conroe at its slowest incarnation will beat the best they have now 965EE...So tell me how 1/4 the price makes sense....

Since when does corporate business make sense? We do not know their motives for this pricing scheme. It could be just what I said. To rapidly regain some of the market share Intel lost to AMD. It could very well be that Intel intends fully to take a loss just to get some of that market share back. But saying it doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense itself.

You'll have to admit that nobody in their right mind would spend 1000+ dollars on an FX60 (one example) if one of the slowest Conroes can beat if "well" for less than 1/3rd of the price. Dramatic as these low prices are, it just may be the companies cutthroat way of saying, "we are taking back what is ours". Who knows. Maybe it costs significantly less money to produce Core than P4. Much less than we thought.

I'll admit, these prices are pretty low, but with all the Intel released price sheets, how can they not be accurate? I mean, it's public. Not a hear say rumor. How would Intel look if when Core was released the prices weren't lining up with their released documents? Not too good. That would be a pretty dumb move.

So, we shall see, is the best anyone can say at the moment. All the things I said above are just a few of the large number of possibilities.

You know this is tremendously great news if the prices are right. This means AMD will be forced to slash prices to at the very least, match Intel. Great news for all of us. Then let the bang for the buck wars commence once again.

 

[Marmion]

Pricing:
Intel has lost a lot of market share to AMD. If an AMD X2 is cheaper than a Conroe, then it is fairly likely that the X2 will be bought over the Conroe by "un-educated" consumers, or those who just don't want to spend lots of money on a computer.
Therefore, it makes sense for Intel to regain market share by having low prices. Plus they have the manufacturing advantage currently of 65nm vs 90nm, so I'm guessing it is cheaper for them to produce Conroes comparitively to X2.
Undoubtedly, someone at Intel has done some market research and figured out where they can price Conroe in order to both make a profit and regain market share.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

Are we taking into account Intel and AMD's different measurement of TDP? Ie AMD being the absoulte upper limit and the Intel only being something like 80% (number is rough estimate, but in real terms of power closer to reality, just misleading in comparison)

For Pentium 4/D's TDP is LOWER than actual power, but for Pentium M, it has been shown that TDP is equal or higher than actual power. Since Conroe can run on heatpipe with no fan, I think it would be similar to Pentium M at least.

So for desktop use the desktop TDP is an underestimate then? Or at least in comparison to the TDP calculation used by AMD. I might feel more guilt at trying to hijack this thread if it were serving a useful purpose, but as it is...

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000

Are we taking into account Intel and AMD's different measurement of TDP? Ie AMD being the absoulte upper limit and the Intel only being something like 80% (number is rough estimate, but in real terms of power closer to reality, just misleading in comparison)

For Pentium 4/D's TDP is LOWER than actual power, but for Pentium M, it has been shown that TDP is equal or higher than actual power. Since Conroe can run on heatpipe with no fan, I think it would be similar to Pentium M at least.

So for desktop use the desktop TDP is an underestimate then? Or at least in comparison to the TDP calculation used by AMD. I might feel more guilt at trying to hijack this thread if it were serving a useful purpose, but as it is...

I think what he said was, P4/D TDP is an underestimate and the Pentium M is an overestimate. As for a thread hijack, I don't get the joke.

 

[Markfw]

I think he means this thread has no purpose (at this time), so why bother. I tend to agree, too early to even argue about conroe when there are no facts to argue.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I think he means this thread has no purpose (at this time), so why bother. I tend to agree, too early to even argue about conroe when there are no facts to argue.

That is debatable. It has different worths to different members. IMHO.

 

[Markfw]

What is debatable ? There are previews reviews and rumors and benchmarks from debateable places, but I don't call those facts. And Conroe is not available to buy, has no officially supported motherboards, etc... I don't argue that Conroe has promise, and I have said it, but to argue "facts" at this point, is frankly pointless. Why can't you acknowledge that ?

Its not even released yet !!! So how can anybody really debate anything ?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
What is debatable ? There are previews reviews and rumors and benchmarks from debateable places, but I don't call those facts. And Conroe is not available to buy, has no officially supported motherboards, etc... I don't argue that Conroe has promise, and I have said it, but to argue "facts" at this point, is frankly pointless. Why can't you acknowledge that ?

Its not even released yet !!! So how can anybody really debate anything ?

This is your take on it. And I respect that. Different people will get different information in their own way. We have plenty of facts thus far. And whether or not they are "facts" or not can be debated til the end of time, which I refuse to do. I just take what I need from the information we have. I do not believe everything I read. However, I do not ignore it either. And that's me. Everyone is different.

 

[Markfw]

I'm not ignoreing anything, I just don't call them facts when the item of discussion does not even exist yet !

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I'm not ignoreing anything, I just don't call them facts when the item of discussion does not even exist yet !

I said I don't ignore, not that you do ignore.

And how do they not exist? Someone bought one on Ebay for a Buy it now price of 600 bucks. Engineering Sample? Of course. Victor wang has one. Fugger and FreeCableGuy has one each.

Have you ever found yourself talking about the K8L? Or the K10 at any point in time?
They don't exist either. Right?

 

[Markfw]

Right, none of them exist officially and I don't suppose anything. ES are just that, not product.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Right, none of them exist officially and I don't suppose anything. ES are just that, not product.

You said that you don't argue that Conroe has promise. Well, why do you feel this way? It doesn't exist yet, so how could you even form that opinion? I'll tell you. You got that information from everything we have talked about in here and in other forums. Things you've read. Everone can see that is exists. It only doesn't exist for you because you can't buy it yet. That means very little to me and everything to you. And that is kewl.
You were able to ascertain that Conroe has promise. And the only way you could have done that is to see existing items in action from various sources. So, if its not real to you unless you can buy it, that is absolutely your perogative. It is real enough for me to sell my rig a couple of weeks ago so I can get the most I can for it before it loses too much value to set aside cash for a Conroe rig. And that is absolutely my perogative despite of what you may think of me doing so. So, for sale or not, it exists and has been benched in various ways for all to see.

 

[Markfw]

See that the difference between you and me. You sell your rig on the HOPE that this new Conroe will live up the to preliminary data. So you have nothing now (except that dothan in your sig??) in anticipation that Conroe is great.

Now me, I wait until it comes out, check the price/performance based on ACTUAL price and ACTUAL performance of the part I can buy, then I decide.

So you play the lottery a lot ? I don't gamble, and if I were to gamble, yes the odds aren't too bad I don't think, but I'm not a gambler. I also don't have a mortgage on my house anymore, its paid off, since I don't gamble with my money !

 

[dmens]

LOL, mark still has a case of the intel-faked-the-numbers. Tell me how is the AT benchmarks are "preliminary".

Just so you know, the IDF demo was on an underclocked, undervolted merom with slow memory. The real thing is going to be even faster, hahaha. But I'm sure some people will find a couple glass-jaw benches (and they do exist) then claim intel rigged the demo... even though the average workloads will be in merom's favor by 20% to 25%, just like the demo.

On the side, I don't gamble and I still have a mortgage to pay off.... why oh why?!?

 

[Markfw]

Because I also make 10 times what you do ? All humor aside....

And I didn't say or imply anybody "faked" anything, just not finished product unbiased benchmarks that I can trust.

 

[dmens]

Still bragging about your income... just like when I joined. LOL. Nobody cares about how much you make.

Odd how you now regard AT as biased, because they published numbers on a box they didn't construct, or something. If I told you now that the IDF demo machine was running on release silicon, would it make a difference?

 

[Markfw]

Nope....