yeah, just reading some peoples posts here still thinking that Conroes numbers are made up by Intel, they don't seem to realise that like 10+ peple on overclocking websites have Conroes or Meroms, and all their benchmarks synch up with what Intel said. Conroes performance cannot realalisticaly be disputed at this point. The only thing you can really dispute is the effect of all these benchmarks on whatever you want to use it for. Having said that, looking at SuperPi scores it not what you want to be doing, jsut look at one of the 50 other benchmarks, SuperPi, especially 1M is VERY VERY fast on Conroe, but most other benchmarks don't show nearly that improvement of SuperPi. (In case you don't realise, the stock 3G Conroe is putting out times that handily beat the best times ever for any AMD processor, even under LN2)