Conroe 2.4GHz benchmarked

[Elfear]

Originally posted by: designit

For what you wrote, It appears that, at least, I know more than you do.
Have you been able to overclock Dothan? it is know fact that Dothan is limited in overclocking. Share cache efficiency ring a bell to you?
We know the "Core Architecture" has derived from Dothan and is designed to be power efficient (hint hint).
I know some of you Intel enthusiast are just tickled to death about this conroe, and wish you can overclock it to heaven; or presume "AMD is DEAD", so many of you have stated.
I said I don?t know much about core architecture (maybe modest) but at least do my homework. as said: I have a premonition, about un-overclock-ability of conroe after reading several detailed analysis of the "Core Architecture".
Well, I feel for you man. ?If I don?t like what he says I just ridicule him? a typical pattern.

http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editor...es/archive/c0604/20c04/20c04.asp&guid=

http://techreport.com/etc/2005q3/idf/index.x?pg=2

Ya, looks like this guy had a pretty hard time ocing his Dothan.

Dothan@4.124GHz

 

[designit]

Well what do I know? I have read it was not a good overclocker. I guess I was wrong.
The FSB can be hacked, but you would take a big risk doing it. And then, I am not about to use absolute zero or -193c cooling system for it.
P4 or AMD's dont require much thinkering to overclock. Yes you see extereme cases that use subzero cooling. What I was refering to "under oridanry conditions" and I have not seen it yet. Just wait till this new "core" is released and we will see what it can do. I dont think much thu., That's my personal opinion. And from the look of it I think I am in right tract.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88455
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000040073573/

 

[DrMrLordX]

The guys at Madshrimps just did an article on the Pentium M 780(Dothan) on liquid nitrogen cooling and got it to around 3.8 ghz. Where's that link . . . and here we go:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=4&artpage=1768&articID=429

2.8 ghz was hit some time ago with good air cooling. I'd say that's a pretty good overclock for Dothan. Not overclockable? Pssh.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Yeah, dothan doesn't OC very well at all, I mean I only got a 50% overclock on my 1.6 dothan on stock voltage..that is so much worse than my 3.2 prescotts that won't go past 3.6, or the 18% OC on my X2. Such horrible overclocking.

Yeah, 50% OC on any processor is pretty dang weak, alright. Definitely not a manly OC at all, at all.

Heck, it's not as it I can even squeeze out a single 100 MHz OC on my rig....

 

[TuxDave]

Man... you all ruined my chance of getting a free Conroe.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: designit
Well what do I know? I have read it was not a good overclocker. I guess I was wrong.
The FSB can be hacked, but you would take a big risk doing it. And then, I am not about to use absolute zero or -193c cooling system for it.
P4 or AMD's dont require much thinkering to overclock. Yes you see extereme cases that use subzero cooling. What I was refering to "under oridanry conditions" and I have not seen it yet. Just wait till this new "core" is released and we will see what it can do. I dont think much thu., That's my personal opinion. And from the look of it I think I am in right tract.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88455
http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000040073573/

Again, you seem to be totaly confused. Dothan OC's the way any other chip..you raise the FSB..and I sure as heck didn't need sub zero cooling, it's running at 2.4ghz with the dinky little heatsink that comes with the CT-479 adaptor..quit babbling nonsense.

 

[designit]

Look at all these f...ing Intel losers talking.
Lets see, 133 to 160 FSB is damn good overclocking.
You losers been waiting f...ing 4 years where could have just bought a Pentium M and a socket adapter and be done w/ it. But no, a PIII architecture sounded pretty bad when A64 was p..ing on you. bunch of ignorant never figured that Pentium M is much better choice than the P4 inferno. Wait no more. Intel is shoving down your troughs a dressed up version of PIII, calling it conroe, and You are tickled to death. Bunch of losers.

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: designit
Look at all these f...ing Intel losers talking.
Lets see, 133 to 160 FSB is damn good overclocking.
You losers been waiting f...ing 4 years where could have just bought a Pentium M and a socket adapter and be done w/ it. But no, a PIII architecture sounded pretty bad when A64 was p..ing on you. bunch of ignorant never figured that Pentium M is much better choice than the P4 inferno. Wait no more. Intel is shoving down your troughs a dressed up version of PIII, calling it conroe, and You are tickled to death. Bunch of losers.

That time of month already?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: designit



For what you wrote, It appears that, at least, I know more than you do.

From what you wrote, it appears you know next to nothing.

Have you been able to overclock Dothan? it is know fact that Dothan is limited in overclocking. Share cache efficiency ring a bell to you?

I have a Dell laptop with ZERO overclocking options. So what am I going to overclock?

We know the "Core Architecture" has derived from Dothan and is designed to be power efficient (hint hint).

WTH does (hint hint) mean to you? The whole Pentium M/Core line, Banias, Dothan, Core Solo, Core Duo, Merom are designed with power efficiency in mind. We all know (except you) how well Banias and Dothan o/c. People have only begun to o/c Yonah and are getting stellar o/c's in the order of up to 50% on air.


I know some of you Intel enthusiast are just tickled to death about this conroe, and wish you can overclock it to heaven; or presume "AMD is DEAD", so many of you have stated.

The beautiful part is, nobody would need to o/c even a 2.4GHz conroe as it seems to lay waste to anything AMD has at the moment even when the AMD's are o/c'd to the max on water. But, that doesn't mean they wont o/c conroe/merom.


I said I don?t know much about core architecture (maybe modest) but at least do my homework. as said: I have a premonition, about un-overclock-ability of conroe after reading several detailed analysis of the "Core Architecture".
Well, I feel for you man. ?If I don?t like what he says I just ridicule him? a typical pattern.

You need to do a WHOLE lot more reading and a WHOLE lot more homework. When Dothan became available, along with some Acer socket 479 mobo and/or the ASUS CT-479 adapter and a few select ASUS mobo's, most 2GHz Dothans were able to reach 2.7GHz on air. Some higher.


http://www.computerpoweruser.com/editor...es/archive/c0604/20c04/20c04.asp&guid=

http://techreport.com/etc/2005q3/idf/index.x?pg=2

If you were employed by AMD, I think they should fire you. Not saying you are, but if you were, you would probably be pink slipped. Homework indeed. More like hot gas.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: designit
Look at all these f...ing Intel losers talking.
Lets see, 133 to 160 FSB is damn good overclocking.
You losers been waiting f...ing 4 years where could have just bought a Pentium M and a socket adapter and be done w/ it. But no, a PIII architecture sounded pretty bad when A64 was p..ing on you. bunch of ignorant never figured that Pentium M is much better choice than the P4 inferno. Wait no more. Intel is shoving down your troughs a dressed up version of PIII, calling it conroe, and You are tickled to death. Bunch of losers.

BAN IN 3.......2........1........pfft. Is he gone yet? Dang. I thought I could will it to happen. Maybe if I o/c'd my Dothan a bit.

 

[Absolute0]

The Conroe overclocking is going to be great. Already Dothan and Yonah have no problems hitting 3 Ghz on air, and what's their highest model clocked at, 2.4 Ghz? Since the highest Conroe will be 3.33 Ghz and that will have to run on a normal stock heatsink, we can say that air overclocks are going to be well past that, in the realm of 3.5 to 3.8 Ghz, and 4+ should be attainable with superior cooling.

Think about AMD, 3.1 Ghz is possible with the best chips on aircooling, and their top-clocked processor is only 2.8 GHz. So in all cases we're looking at overclocks well beyond the top clocked processor. With Conroe i have high expectations

 

[IntelUser2000]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Intel did not want these chips to oc and even put somekind of limit on purpose. They tried to limit ocing with s775? P4 Mobo's. So, don't be to surprised if it comes out that the ocing success is limited with these cpu's. Less ocing ='s more money for Intel to get from people wanting faster chips.

Are you that clueless or don't realize the fact that Intel's two of the latest desktop boards, D955XBK and D975XBX has overclocking options that Intel calls it "Burn-In"??

-The FIRST 1GHz DDR2 memory overclock was done on Intel Desktop Board D955XBK
-Pentium Extreme Editions have UNLOCKED MULTIPLIERS
-Putting Pentium Extreme Edition(or any EE chips) on a D955XBK or D975XBX enables OC option on the motherboard that's up to 30%.
-Multiplier options are 12-60(!)
-D955XBK supports up to 2.1V DDR2 voltage(default DDR2 voltage 1.8V), and D975XBX supports up to 2.2V DDR2 voltage
-Chipset voltage modification
-Processor voltage modification
-RAM speed modification
-RAM timing modification

I am talking about conroe of course.
I don?t know much about the cpu architecture, but what I can gather from reading how this new "Core Architecture" is designed, I have a strong premonition that it can not be overclocked. six x86 Instruction being executed in one clock cycle seems to much already. And you want to overclock the sucker too?
read this:
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=217

First, its not six instructions, its 7.
Second, its not six instructions per cycle in terms of IPC, but in issue width in micro ops(uops). Go read about what the difference is.

Have you been able to overclock Dothan? it is know fact that Dothan is limited in overclocking. Share cache efficiency ring a bell to you?

The sentence said above by you(designit), tells how clueless you are. Shared cache ONLY APPLIES TO DUAL CORES AND ABOVE. Is Dothan a dual core?? Last time I heard they aren't.

You are talking about Yonah, but then you probably don't know whether that's a CPU or a video card anyway, but FYI its a CPU, dual core successor to Dothan. THAT particular CPU uses shared cache. Also, I heard both Dothan and Yonah are very overclockable...

 

[n19htmare]

Originally posted by: designit
Look at all these f...ing Intel losers talking.
Lets see, 133 to 160 FSB is damn good overclocking.
You losers been waiting f...ing 4 years where could have just bought a Pentium M and a socket adapter and be done w/ it. But no, a PIII architecture sounded pretty bad when A64 was p..ing on you. bunch of ignorant never figured that Pentium M is much better choice than the P4 inferno. Wait no more. Intel is shoving down your troughs a dressed up version of PIII, calling it conroe, and You are tickled to death. Bunch of losers.

Now you're just plain mad. You thought you knew what you were talking about...using big words and stating known facts which were false (like Known fact about dothan not being able to oc)....6 instructions instead of 7.....I mean come on, atleast do some research before hand.

Here, take this chill pill, it'll help.

 

[designit]

I said it is 6-x86 instructions max. If you say 7- enlighten me.
Yes I am mad. Only because Intel users are bunch of frustrated rude groups.
I said before: I feel for you man, you ought to be fumigated by now. 4 years in dump, is a very long time. Now that you"think" conroe is going to set you free, you speak w/ your foot in your mouth.
My bet stands. And am waiting for new opterons and AM2's w/ memory controller in Die. Oh, RAMBUS sounds familiar to you? You know, AMD and Rambus going to burst your Conroe bubble -less than 3 months from now. Just be patient.

 

[Quinton McLeod]

Originally posted by: designit
I said it is 6-x86 instructions max. If you say 7- enlighten me.
Yes I am mad. Only because Intel users are bunch of frustrated rude groups.
I said before: I feel for you man, you ought to be fumigated by now. 4 years in dump, is a very long time. Now that you"think" conroe is going to set you free, you speak w/ your foot in your mouth.
My bet stands. And am waiting for new opterons and AM2's w/ memory controller in Die. Oh, RAMBUS sounds familiar to you? You know, AMD and Rambus going to burst your Conroe bubble -less than 3 months from now. Just be patient.

Amen.

 

[Absolute0]

I don't like to use the F word at all, but since Conroe has come out it's gotten the fanboys all stirred up. IMO, just shut up and look at the numbers.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: designit
Yes I am mad. Only because Intel users are bunch of frustrated rude groups.
I said before: I feel for you man, you ought to be fumigated by now. 4 years in dump, is a very long time. Now that you"think" conroe is going to set you free, you speak w/ your foot in your mouth.
My bet stands. And am waiting for new opterons and AM2's w/ memory controller in Die. Oh, RAMBUS sounds familiar to you? You know, AMD and Rambus going to burst your Conroe bubble -less than 3 months from now. Just be patient.

Dude, put a sock in it. I haven't owned an Intel chip since my old Pentium 100. I am still not so ignorant as to think that Dothan or Banias were poor overclockers. I am also not so ignorant as to believe that anything in the articles you linked have ANYTHING to do with the prospective overclocking abilities of Yonah, Merom, or Conroe.

As I said before, Dothan has been OCed to 2.8 ghz on AIR. You know, "normal conditions"? It doesn't take LN2 to overclock it, though stuff like LN2 can show you the top end the architecture can reach.

From the articles that you linked, we can reasonably ascertain that Conroe will hit AT LEAST 3 ghz in the form of an EE part and in the form of Woodcrest, the SMP server version of Conroe. And those are only the speed bumps currently on Intel's roadmap. If Conroe overclocks as well as Dothan or Banias, we could see clock speeds as high as 4.5 ghz on the EE parts. Poor overclocker my arse.

You are slinging hash in some lame attempt to justify your own erroneous comments. Don't turn this into an "Intel users are bitter" argument. Half of the people poking fun at you aren't even Intel users! You're just plain wrong about everything. Stop misinterpreting data by making bogus statements that you can't justify.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll go back to enjoying my overclocked AMD Sempron 2800+.

 

[Markfw]

Jeesh.... designit is the AMD equivalent of Dmens for Intel... They both need to knock it off.

At the moment I like AMD, but both their comments are nothing but flamebait and uncalled for.

time for designit to get a vacation.

 

[dmens]

LOL, still angry about the ban mark? The big difference between me and designit is the fact that I know exactly what I'm talking about. Look earlier in this thread for a *technical* debunking of his crazy oc rant.

 

[swtethan]

AM2 benches are out

 

[designit]

Here is a link for you about Dothan not a good overclocker.
Yes the article is outdated. But that was the time I was interested in buying one of those. BTW, How many of you bought Dothan because you did so for ease of overclocking?

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

Yours was factual? . Oh man its getting more ridiculous.
The "Hint" about power efficiency of conroe was for the fact that this chip is made to take max advantage of low wattage, low heat. cpu frequency has maxed out w/ that kind of setup. You put more voltage to it will just crash(my first statement). plain and simple. I wouldnt know if Smart Memory out of order queing is going to be another factor or not. I also wonder why XS hasn?t overclocked it yet(I dont buy the excuse about "this mobo is not made for overclocking"). Intel put out a bench mark a month ago, but adamantly against overclocking it. why?
Dream on. will leave you dreamers alone, no more poking your balloon from here, already busted.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: designit
Here is a link for you about Dothan not a good overclocker.
Yes the article is outdated. But that was the time I was interested in buying one of those. BTW, How many of you bought Dothan because you did so for ease of overclocking?

http://www.overclockers.com/tips00593/

Yours was factual? . Oh man its getting more ridiculous.
The "Hint" about power efficiency of conroe was for the fact that this chip is made to take max advantage of low wattage, low heat. cpu frequency has maxed out w/ that kind of setup. You put more voltage to it will just crash(my first statement). plain and simple. I wouldnt know if Smart Memory out of order queing is going to be another factor or not. I also wonder why XS hasn?t overclocked it yet(I dont buy the excuse about "this mobo is not made for overclocking"). Intel put out a bench mark a month ago, but adamantly against overclocking it. why?
Dream on. will leave you dreamers alone, no more poking your balloon from here, already busted.

Is it safe to assume that you not only have limited knowledge of cpu architecture but also that you also have limited knowledge of circuit design?

Oh, and just to add some 'substance' to this post. When the celeron was overclocked from 300MHz to 450MHz (50%), that was considered a great overclock. Now when Dothan goes from 1.6GHz to 2.4GHz, now you're saying 'oh man... it doesn't look like it'll overclock very well at all'. Why the suddent change?

 

[xtreme26]

wow, that am2 chip is horribly slow...

 

[designit]

Are you an idiot?
If the answer is no, then dont reply to my post.

 

[liebremx]

Hey designit, I have a question for you: Can you enlighten us with the technical reasons about overclocking limits? Can you explain why a CPU freq can't be inffinite? Please please please.. I really want to know.. I'm sure your premonitions can offer a reasonable explanation, even if you don't know much. And while you are at it, I've always wondered why P4's can run at a so much higher frequency.. it all seems like magic! Maybe the some of the circuit engineers had a premonition about reaching a higher freq and they were right!