Conroe Prices vs. AMD X2 (S939 & AM2)

[madoka]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Estimated Prices for 7/24

Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696 > $350
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645 > $325
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558 > $275
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469 > $235
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365 > $190
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328 > $165
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303 > $150

Where did you get these estimates from? The article says up to 50% discount (somewhere between 30-50%), but all these prices are about 50% off which doesn't seem to make much sense given price cuts in the past. Not that I wouldn't mind it happening, but I'd like to know for sure.

 

[meksta]

I'll doubt that it'll be that easy to get your hands on a conroe within the next quarter. Yes it's launched, but the OEMs will get them first. 4Q is more likely...

And because demand is soooo high while the supply is low, those prices prolly won't mean jack.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Estimated Prices for 7/24

Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696 > $350
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645 > $325
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558 > $275
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469 > $235
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365 > $190
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328 > $165
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303 > $150

Where did you get these estimates from? The article says up to 50% discount (somewhere between 30-50%), but all these prices are about 50% off which doesn't seem to make much sense given price cuts in the past. Not that I wouldn't mind it happening, but I'd like to know for sure.

No, the artice sayas 30% for single cores and 50% for dual cores.

 

[BladeVenom]

They make cut some of the lower end AM2 and even the mid range ones by 50%, but I doubt the ones at the top are going to get a 50% price reduction.

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
Estimated Prices for 7/24

Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2 $696 > $350
Athlon 64 X2 4800+ AM2 $645 > $325
Athlon 64 X2 4600+ AM2 $558 > $275
Athlon 64 X2 4400+ AM2 $469 > $235
Athlon 64 X2 4200+ AM2 $365 > $190
Athlon 64 X2 4000+ AM2 $328 > $165
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ AM2 $303 > $150

vs.

Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2.67GHz/4M) $530
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (2.40GHz/4M) $316
Intel Pentium D 960 (3.60GHz/2Mx2) $316
Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 (2.13GHz/2M) $224
Intel Pentium D 950 (3.40GHz/2Mx2) $224
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86GHz/2M) $183
Intel Pentium D 940 (3.20GHz/2Mx2) $183
Intel Pentium D 930 (3.00GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 920 (2.80GHz/2Mx2) $178
Intel Pentium D 820 (2.80GHz/1Mx2) $133
Intel Pentium D 805 (2.66GHz/1Mx2) $93

Seems pretty competative. I'm definatly going to pick up a 4400+ 939 ~august.

you know, the keyphrase is the phrase "up to 50%"

you shouldn't really be assuming that they would drop it down to 50%

if i had to guess, maybe $230 for the X2 3800. still a good deal IMHO

 

[madoka]

No, the artice sayas 30% for single cores and 50% for dual cores.

What article are you reading? The one on Anandtech says up to 50% and the one on HKEPC says between 35%-50%.

http://www.hkepc.com/bbs/itnews.php?tid=613657

So again, did you make those numbers up yourself, or what article are they from?

 

[Kougar]

Here are all the articles regarding AMD's price cuts to match Intel's, complete with some specific numbers and charts too

AMD to launch pricing campaign to counter Intel

AMD will almost halve the prices for its Athlon 64x32 3800+ to US$152-161, compared to the US$163 that Intel plans for its Pentium D 945, the sources said, citing one example in AMD's pricing plan.

Update: AMD Plans Major CPU Price Drops Day After "Conroe"

Perhaps the most interesting price reductions are on the Athlon 64 X2 dual core line. The memo claims the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ will fall from a processor-in-box (PIB) of $303 to $169. Single core Athlon 64 3800+ processors will fall from $290 all the way to $139 through special promotions. The AMD Athlon and Sempron Energy Efficient models do not show any price reduction.

Edit: BTW, Bateluer & luigionlsd, those links to your rig profiles are not the correct links Go back to view your rig profle again, and use the linky given at the very end of the page!

 

[coldpower27]

Let's see now the final comparison.

AMD Athlon 64x2 5000+ Windsor-512 2.6GHZ/2x512KB 403US vs Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHZ/4MB/1066FSB 316US

AMD Athlon 64x2 4600+ Windsor-512/Manchester 301US vs Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHZ/4MB/1066FSB 316US

AMD Athlon 64x2 4200+ Windsor-512/Manchester 240US vs Core 2 Duo E6400 Allendale 2.16GHZ/2MB/1066FSB 224US

AMD Athlon 64x2 3800+ Windsor-512/Manchester 169US vs Pentium D 945 Presler 3.4GHZ/2x2MB/800FSB 163US or Pentium D 930 Presler 3.0GHZ/2x2MB/800FSB 178US or Core 2 Duo E6300 Allendale 1.86GHZ/2MB/1066FSB 183US

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Orleans/Venice 2.4GHZ/512KB 142US vs Pentium D 915 Presler 2.8GHZ/2x2MB/800FSB 133US or Pentium 4 541 3.2GHZ/1MB/800FSB 84US or Pentium 4 651 3.4GHZ/2MB/800FSB 163US

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Orleans/Venice 2.2GHZ/512KB 112US vs Pentium D 820 Smithfield 2.8GHZ/2x1MB/800FSB 113US or Pentium 4 541 3.2GHZ/1MB/800FSB 84US

Make of it what you will.

 

[bluemax]

If the X2 3800+ is going to drop that much, that fast - I know what my upgrade will be. Period.

Say whatever you want about 939 being dead - that's a great deal for a platform I won't be upgrading for a good long time!

 

[madoka]

Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
EDIT: changed to reflect details from anandtech article with official pricing. 2x1mb cache chips will not be changing at all but, I wasn't too far off, with the exception of the 5000+.

Yeah, you were pretty far off. You pulled numbers out of your a$$ and claimed it was from an article. Next time use a calculator - you seem to not be able to divide by 2 or realize that being over 20% off (e.g. your X2 4200) is not "too far off."

 

[OcHungry]

Those AMD x2 prices are very attractive. A 3800 x2 Socket AM2 CPU/Mobo combo will cost about $300 and if overclocked to 2.8ghz it would be comparable to a 2.4ghz conroe that costs twice as much. So what if the "controlled" benchmarks are 10-15 % better, I bet you wont even feel it. Has any benchmark conducted in sli mode? I bet AM2's in SLI will do better than conroe because of FSB bottleneck.
It will only get better for AM2 platform. The DDR2 timings are getting tighter, an advantage for AMD's IMC over Intel's FSB.

 

[bongsteen]

how about x2 4400+ and x2 4800+ how much they will be?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Those AMD x2 prices are very attractive. A 3800 x2 Socket AM2 CPU/Mobo combo will cost about $300 and if overclocked to 2.8ghz it would be comparable to a 2.4ghz conroe that costs twice as much. So what if the "controlled" benchmarks are 10-15 % better, I bet you wont even feel it. Has any benchmark conducted in sli mode? I bet AM2's in SLI will do better than conroe because of FSB bottleneck.
It will only get better for AM2 platform. The DDR2 timings are getting tighter, an advantage for AMD's IMC over Intel's FSB.

WTF are you babbling about? SLI is a gfx card technology...

Check out the AT woodcrest review if you mean what i think you mean, otherwise

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: bongsteen
how about x2 4400+ and x2 4800+ how much they will be?

Like the Athlon FX cores the 2x1Mb parts are being dropped by nothing their prices will remain as they are.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
Those AMD x2 prices are very attractive. A 3800 x2 Socket AM2 CPU/Mobo combo will cost about $300 and if overclocked to 2.8ghz it would be comparable to a 2.4ghz conroe that costs twice as much. So what if the "controlled" benchmarks are 10-15 % better, I bet you wont even feel it. Has any benchmark conducted in sli mode? I bet AM2's in SLI will do better than conroe because of FSB bottleneck.
It will only get better for AM2 platform. The DDR2 timings are getting tighter, an advantage for AMD's IMC over Intel's FSB.

You could also buy the Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 and overclock that to maybe 2.6GHZ and have it beat the Athlon 64x2 3800+ pretty easily.

Comparing a stock processor to and overclocked one is a worthless comparison. Not to mention there is no infomration available if SLI'ed 7900 GTX will do better on the Conroe or Windsor platforms, my guess is Intel will still hold the lead in CPU limited situations regardless.

Lower Memory timings also help the Conroe processors as well, even though it doesn't have IMC, it is still affected by memory timings.

 

[madoka]

Originally posted by: coldpower27


You could also buy the Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 and overclock that to maybe 2.6GHZ and have it beat the Athlon 64x2 3800+ pretty easily.

Comparing a stock processor to and overclocked one is a worthless comparison.

I was thinking about replying to this guy too, but realized he'd probably be too clueless to understand anyway.

His post reminds me of a post this past week on fatwallet by another clueless user regarding the difference between socket 754 and 939:

"I think 939 is the socket type. The (S939) 3000+ CPU fits both sockets so I think it's the same CPU. Socket 754 is Nvidia chipset 3 while 939 is the latter one (better) chipset 4."

 

[Polish3d]

Wow thanks for fking nothing AMD. Bought it for 600 and selling it for 100. Stupid bastards have been overpricing their CPUs for awhile now anyway. I like AMD but it's nice to see them getting kicked in the face a bit on their absurd pricing while Intel debuts a super-processor for less than half of the price premium AMD had on their X2s.

Granted, my anger is indeed at the fact that the value of my processor is dropping so severely, you'd be pissed too

 

[madoka]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Wow thanks for fking nothing AMD. Bought it for 600 and selling it for 100.

Wait, let me top your bitching:

- Thanks for nothing Apple, bought my Apple IIe for $3,500 and selling it for $5.

- Thanks for nothing Mercedes, bought my car for $60,000 and selling it for $10,000.

- Thanks for nothing Nokia, bought my cell phone for $400 and selling it for $10.

- Thanks for nothing McDonalds, bought my Big Macs for $5 and I'm crapping it out for nothing!

 

[madoka]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Stupid bastards have been overpricing their CPUs for awhile now anyway.

Granted, my anger is indeed at the fact that the value of my processor is dropping so severely, you'd be pissed too

You know what's worse is when those "stupid bastards" put a gun to your head, pulled out your credit card, and forced you to buy their "overpriced" CPU and then use and enjoy it for the past few months. The injustice of it all! :Q

Next time buy Semprons and Celerons if you're concerned about price drops. It's not like this is the first or last time major price drops occur.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Wow thanks for fking nothing AMD. Bought it for 600 and selling it for 100. Stupid bastards have been overpricing their CPUs for awhile now anyway. I like AMD but it's nice to see them getting kicked in the face a bit on their absurd pricing while Intel debuts a super-processor for less than half of the price premium AMD had on their X2s.

Granted, my anger is indeed at the fact that the value of my processor is dropping so severely, you'd be pissed too

Your also lucky it also seems like they won't be selling your speicifc processor model for cheaper, they will just be selling the 2x512KB models cheaper instead.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: Frackal
Stupid bastards have been overpricing their CPUs for awhile now anyway.

Granted, my anger is indeed at the fact that the value of my processor is dropping so severely, you'd be pissed too

You know what's worse is when those "stupid bastards" put a gun to your head, pulled out your credit card, and forced you to buy their "overpriced" CPU and then use and enjoy it for the past few months. The injustice of it all! :Q

Next time buy Semprons and Celerons if you're concerned about price drops. It's not like this is the first or last time major price drops occur.

Few things are more obnoxious than predicting a certain annoying response to my post and here it arrives as expected.

I'll buy what I wish, and I'll voice my displeasure at the aspects of it I find undesirable... another characteristic of the free market philosophy you were drawing upon in your post

 

[OcHungry]

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: coldpower27


You could also buy the Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 and overclock that to maybe 2.6GHZ and have it beat the Athlon 64x2 3800+ pretty easily.

Comparing a stock processor to and overclocked one is a worthless comparison.

I was thinking about replying to this guy too, but realized he'd probably be too clueless to understand anyway.

His post reminds me of a post this past week on fatwallet by another clueless user regarding the difference between socket 754 and 939:

"I think 939 is the socket type. The (S939) 3000+ CPU fits both sockets so I think it's the same CPU. Socket 754 is Nvidia chipset 3 while 939 is the latter one (better) chipset 4."

Clueless? is that best you cando?
I was comparing an AM2 3800 x2 overclocked to 2.8ghz stock vcore (notice stock vcore), All of that for less than $300. Your beloved conroe cant reach it.
Oh I hear another delay on con-roe, because Intel cant produce them ES cherry picked, hand crafted processors been giving to their ass kissers, and is quagmire what to do w/ it. I get a big laugh when I hear them announce that they concede to AM2's just as they have to IMC technology.
Go and do your spi 1m 24/7 while I am playing w/ my SLI AM2's without loosing my pants.
Oh have you heard? Nvedia says conroe is bottleneck so no SLI for you Intel.
heheh. Maybe ATI will make some vid card and calls it conroe's special. but wait, AMD is buying ATI-what a bummer.

EDIT: If you wanna P off Conroe lovers, just say the word "FSB"

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: Frackal
Wow thanks for fking nothing AMD. Bought it for 600 and selling it for 100.

Wait, let me top your bitching:

- Thanks for nothing Apple, bought my Apple IIe for $3,500 and selling it for $5.

- Thanks for nothing Mercedes, bought my car for $60,000 and selling it for $10,000.

- Thanks for nothing Nokia, bought my cell phone for $400 and selling it for $10.

- Thanks for nothing McDonalds, bought my Big Macs for $5 and I'm crapping it out for nothing!

SHENS on #2. Mercedes hold their value quite well, unless you wrap it around a pole or something. As for #4? Very classy.

 

[Ranulf]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: Frackal
Stupid bastards have been overpricing their CPUs for awhile now anyway.

Granted, my anger is indeed at the fact that the value of my processor is dropping so severely, you'd be pissed too

You know what's worse is when those "stupid bastards" put a gun to your head, pulled out your credit card, and forced you to buy their "overpriced" CPU and then use and enjoy it for the past few months. The injustice of it all! :Q

Next time buy Semprons and Celerons if you're concerned about price drops. It's not like this is the first or last time major price drops occur.

Few things are more obnoxious than predicting a certain annoying response to my post and here it arrives as expected.

I'll buy what I wish, and I'll voice my displeasure at the aspects of it I find undesirable... another characteristic of the free market philosophy you were drawing upon in your post

Just as you can buy what you wish and voice your displeasures at the aspects of said purchased items you find undesirable, others can voice their amusement at what they find to be a rather funny and foolish statements your voiced displeasures are.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: OcHungry

Originally posted by: madoka

Originally posted by: coldpower27


You could also buy the Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 and overclock that to maybe 2.6GHZ and have it beat the Athlon 64x2 3800+ pretty easily.

Comparing a stock processor to and overclocked one is a worthless comparison.

I was thinking about replying to this guy too, but realized he'd probably be too clueless to understand anyway.

His post reminds me of a post this past week on fatwallet by another clueless user regarding the difference between socket 754 and 939:

"I think 939 is the socket type. The (S939) 3000+ CPU fits both sockets so I think it's the same CPU. Socket 754 is Nvidia chipset 3 while 939 is the latter one (better) chipset 4."

Clueless? is that best you cando?
I was comparing an AM2 3800 x2 overclocked to 2.8ghz stock vcore (notice stock vcore), All of that for less than $300. Your beloved conroe cant reach it.
Oh I hear another delay on con-roe, because Intel cant produce them ES cherry picked, hand crafted processors been giving to their ass kissers, and is quagmire what to do w/ it. I get a big laugh when I hear them announce that they concede to AM2's just as they have to IMC technology.
Go and do your spi 1m 24/7 while I am playing w/ my SLI AM2's without loosing my pants.
Oh have you heard? Nvedia says conroe is bottleneck so no SLI for you Intel.
heheh. Maybe ATI will make some vid card and calls it conroe's special. but wait, AMD is buying ATI-what a bummer.

EDIT: If you wanna P off Conroe lovers, just say the word "FSB"

As I said, a cherry picked X2 3800+ that could do 2.8GHZ, I seriously doubt that all processors are hitting this speed grade. stock Vcore is irrelevent, your still overclocking a processor, and the point was you were comparing a overclocked speed AMD to a stock speed Intel, which makes the comparison worthless. Core Architecture overclocks quite well from the indications we have seen.

Currently Windsor core Athlon64x2 haven't been out long enough to get an idea what an average overclock maybe.

Allendale could touch this fairly easily, overclock Allendale to 2.6GHZ and you will have already beaten the 3800+ due to higher IPC on Core Architecture.

Ha, alot of your stuff needs proof delay my ass, Intel has been on schedule with Core Architecture derived products. IMC isn't the only way to extract performance on processor, AMD !!!!!!! are acting like it's the only way to do things, ha they are in for a rude awakening with Conroe.

Nvidia is developing Conroe compatible motherboard with SLI so no problems there.