Health care workers could refuse to treat transgender people based on religious objections. Abortion and assisted suicide are just two examples.
A U.K. woman said Sunday that she was “embarrassed and distressed” when a transsexual nurse with stubble and tattoos was sent to perform her pap smear in September. The Sunday Times reported this weekend that the woman had requested a female nurse during the appointment and chose not to go through with the procedure, once faced with the nurse’s “obviously male appearance.”
The female patient told The Sunday Times that the nurse had a deep voice and stubble but did not identify as a man, making the patient uncomfortable. “My gender is not male. I’m a transsexual,” the nurse allegedly said during the visit.
The patient, though, claims her complaint was not about the nurse’s gender or physical appearance. “People who are not comfortable about this are presented as bigots and this is...kind of how I was made to feel about it,” the patient told The Times about the formal complaint.
Because you are so very intellectual. We disagree.Ask to see another doctor. Insulting me or my God will get you no where - hope you feel better now. Way to dumb down the debate.
Labeled as bigots? Depends. Patients have a right (as long as they are not unconsciousness) to refuse treatment. The hospitals, IMHO, have the option to accommodate patient biases or send them packing. Greed usually wins.How about patients requesting an actual female or male for sensitive examinations and refusing a transgender or transexual doctor/nurse, should they be labeled as bigots or should the hospital/clinic accommodate their personal beliefs?
LGBT patient with emergent situation. Hard Christian right doctor. He sees patient and their partner, says no and walks away. "Saving your life is promoting your lifestyle and is a violation of my beliefs". Situation is emergent and pt dies before an ethically responsible doctor arrives. Or maybe there isn't even one as urgent cares and emergency rooms may at times have only one guy.
Because you are so very intellectual. We disagree.
To worship a God that is a petulant child is the epitome of absurd. To have faith in a God that would wipe out its children for very human concepts of misbehaving is ridiculous. To attribute human traits such as hate, divisiveness, segregation, wrath, vengefulness is truly and profoundly dumb.
Back to the point. Transgender people are HUMANS first. There is and should be no issue of conscience. If that's dumb because a God thinks so than that God hates its creations but only because some HUMANS want it to... need it to, to sooth their own level of comfort and profound ugliness. What I know of God, God would think far too many of its followers are pricks looking to excuse evil in its name. That's not only dumb it's disgusting.
I stand corrected.OK, the only comment I made about transgender was that I didn't see it as a matter of conscience whether a doctor provided services for such. So keep rattling on about made up shit.
But if "conscience" gets in the way of treating humans, it's not ok. If a doctor doesn't like elements (backed by law) of his or her job they don't have a right to deny a procedure/treatment due to conscience. Do your job then ask for forgiveness or get out of the profession.
A viable life. As determined by law.It's not OK up to a point. I think that point is the taking of life. That's my standard and I think it's OK for doctors to avoid treatment that takes a life according the their conscience. Otherwise we are forcing them to violate 'do no harm' in their mind.
LMAO. That appears to be the case.So let me get this straight. Some Doctors want to refuse to KILL people. And that bothers you?
Labeled as bigots? Yes. Absolutely. In fact often the doctor will tell that patient to their face that they consider such statements bigoted and inappropriate. I know this from fact and experience, having seen the response of female doctors to patients who ask for men because of sexist claims that women can't be doctors. To summarize what docs say often its "suck it up buttercup and deal with it".How about patients requesting an actual female or male for sensitive examinations and refusing a transgender or transexual doctor/nurse, should they be labeled as bigots or should the hospital/clinic accommodate their personal beliefs?
http://www.newsweek.com/uk-patient-distressed-transsexual-nurse-stubble-767385
U.K. Patient “Distressed”' by Transsexual Nurse With Stubble
Exactly. If you were a catholic and HAD to be an ob, you would pick a location and field in Ob and a population where emergency abortions essentially don't happen or are your problem to deal with. You may work mostly in clinics or work day shifts or just do IVF or etc or know that there is always some backup that will step in and do the procedure or whatever but basically you wouldn't put yourself in that kind of position. Certainly you wouldn't want to be caught up in a legal civil case and have it on your record forever that you were sued over this (docs have to report all lawsuits for any future job even if the suit was frivolous or thrown out almost immediately; it is a real black mark and a pain in the ass)We have a local Catholic hospital were they don't perform routine abortions. I'm not naive enough to believe they never perform abortions there - but it's a very safe place for a catholic surgeon or OB. But, we are a small city, so we have a second hospital plus an abortion clinic available locally - making it a non-issue (no one is going to suffer a lack of care). I supposed if one is a principled catholic OB, you don't go work in a rural area where your the only one who can perform abortions.
That is frankly absurd. LGBT people are an abomination against God, just like Christians are and both should be left to die in the street medically unattended. If doctors and medical personal finally get the freedom they deserve this can finally happen legally. I can't wait. I really don't give much of a fig about all the gender riffs but seeing Christians reap what they sow is going to be heavenly.While I tend to progressive, I'm also pro-life. I can see where it would be soul crushing to be a catholic OB and find oneself being forced to perform an abortion where the mother's life wasn't in jeopardy. Same with assisted suicide. I see the problem where there's only one doctor qualified in the area (rural regions). It sure is a pickle, but ignoring deeply seated issues of conscience shouldn't be dismissed. I don't get the LGBT issues, the doctor isn't being asked to physically take a life (which I think is the only line that can be drawn).
It's not OK up to a point. I think that point is the taking of life. That's my standard and I think it's OK for doctors to avoid treatment that takes a life according the their conscience. Otherwise we are forcing them to violate 'do no harm' in their mind.
If people who live lives free of all kinds of religious taboos that require the sacrifice of enjoyment and fun, and which therefore we decent people can look down on with contempt, how is anybody going to stay on the straight and narrow path. Who wants to be good if you can't be smug and self congratulatory about it. We need to be surrounded by dirt to call attention to our cleanliness. Geez.......That is your standard and that is great, I actually even agree with it for the most part. The problem is that you don't get to enforce your standards on everyone else. The standard to be upheld is 'any sincerely held belief' and that absolutely leaves up open to the more ridiculous problems out there. What happens, for example, when some doctor converts to Mormonism and decides that they can not allow their patients to receive blood? I personally know a nurse that believes that she should not be required to treat people that take birth control because their medical problems are probably given to them by god as a punishment.
Sin strainers came way before Pastafarians came out of the can.Pastafarians can use this as a legal defense of their holy strainers placed upon their crown.
This is what happens when religious conservatives make the rules for doctors--people will die for your beliefs:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/08/abortion-refusal-death-ireland-hindu-woman
But hey, I guess we need to learn our lesson through a few needless deaths before we shut this down to.
Well, I have it on good authority that atheism is a religious belief system...so those doctors obviously won't have to do it, since it's against their religion.Saw this today... Someone has probably said it already on this thread.
What if:
A new law made it legal for atheist doctors and nurses to refuse care to religious patients?
Strangest things pop into my head. FZs "Broken Hearts are for Assholes" song.How about patients requesting an actual female or male for sensitive examinations and refusing a transgender or transexual doctor/nurse, should they be labeled as bigots or should the hospital/clinic accommodate their personal beliefs?
http://www.newsweek.com/uk-patient-distressed-transsexual-nurse-stubble-767385
U.K. Patient “Distressed”' by Transsexual Nurse With Stubble
I agree completely, but it's not completely a black and white issue. Refusing to do an abortion or a sex change may lead to the despondent patient taking his or her own life. Every action has risk and consequences, including refusing to take action.It's not OK up to a point. I think that point is the taking of life. That's my standard and I think it's OK for doctors to avoid treatment that takes a life according the their conscience. Otherwise we are forcing them to violate 'do no harm' in their mind.