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compcons

Platinum Member
Oct 22, 2004
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Umm... still not Trump's fault? Some people here still act like he personally brought it into the US to infect everybody.
Yes, it is. I know following a logical chain of reasoning can be a challenge for some people but the virus arrived last year and his administration still had no effective plan a fucking year later.
Newsflash: the leaders are supposed to lead with a plan and stuff. Trump and team did not. His incompetence, arrogance, and hate led us here.
So yes, unequivocally, he is responsible for a failed response and the subsequent deaths.


 
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You got a quote backing up that claim?
Lol that's not how arguments work in life silly buns.

YOU guys are asserting that if Trump wasn't the president, we would magically have a significant amount of less deaths from COVID - even though he doesn't have jack shit to do with how states are enforcing (or not enforcing) lockdowns, restaurant closure, vaccine production, etc.

You literally have as much evidence as saying " There were 400k COVID deaths while Ariana Grande was alive." And peddling that as if you have evidence to say if someone else was in power that anything would have any significantly different results.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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I love how everyone still attributes everything to one guy who they proclaim is so dumb - Yet he has zero control on how states and cities choose to respond.

Why aren't the numbers drastically reducing now that we got the smart guy in office?
What kind of straw-beating is this? Who said Joe would fix everything when he got in office? Look who I'm talking to. You think because we criticize how poorly the pandemic was handled in the past, that that means we thought all along that it would be easy to handle. Or that, and get this perspective when your own statement is distilled for you, "if how Trump and Republicans handled it was so bad, it should be easy for you to clean up." Yes, if a 2yo shit all over his crib and rubbed it into the walls, the worse the mess he made the easier it should be for you to clean up. Honestly, if I were in your shoes, I'd be embarrassed to do anything on this forum but ask sincere questions for the foreseeable future. But I suppose some people get off on trolling, and who am I to judge.
Lol that's not how arguments work in life silly buns.

YOU guys are asserting that if Trump wasn't the president, we would magically have a significant amount of less deaths from COVID - even though he doesn't have jack shit to do with how states are enforcing (or not enforcing) lockdowns, restaurant closure, vaccine production, etc.

You literally have as much evidence as saying " There were 400k COVID deaths while Ariana Grande was alive." And peddling that as if you have evidence to say if someone else was in power that anything would have any significantly different results.
Literally nobody says that. 100s of powerful Republicans pushed the same dangerous hoax/antimask/etc. stuff that caused those avoidable deaths.
 
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Lol that's not how arguments work in life silly buns.

YOU guys are asserting that if Trump wasn't the president, we would magically have a significant amount of less deaths from COVID - even though he doesn't have jack shit to do with how states are enforcing (or not enforcing) lockdowns, restaurant closure, vaccine production, etc.

You literally have as much evidence as saying " There were 400k COVID deaths while Ariana Grande was alive." And peddling that as if you have evidence to say if someone else was in power that anything would have any significantly different results.

Could we have had 10 to 30 percent fewer deaths if the previous administration was competent. I say yes.
I have posted before and hold true today, I did not expect the death toll to be zero, that is not a reasonable goal. I do expect something is done and I do expect regular briefings that are honest and not filled with verifiable bullshit. I expect the President to address the nation during a crisis and be prepared and competent enough to speak.
 

Pohemi

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Oct 2, 2004
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What I believe that posting anything in the P&N forum is a total waste of time. I'm outta here.
You wouldn't be missed. I also don't believe you though, since you've never exactly been genuine or honest. It's just another line of bluffing bullshit.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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I love how everyone still attributes everything to one guy who they proclaim is so dumb - Yet he has zero control on how states and cities choose to respond.

Why aren't the numbers drastically reducing now that we got the smart guy in office?

Always ready to prove what an idiot you are, good job!
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Could we have had 10 to 30 percent fewer deaths if the previous administration was competent. I say yes.
I have posted before and hold true today, I did not expect the death toll to be zero, that is not a reasonable goal. I do expect something is done and I do expect regular briefings that are honest and not filled with verifiable bullshit. I expect the President to address the nation during a crisis and be prepared and competent enough to speak.

I guess that's just too much to ask? Reasonable response not found.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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you really believe this?

Im interested in the answer. I mean, I haven't even heard anyone say this, nor have I ever said it. Rewind a year and there's a recording of trump admitting how shitty the virus is, while he politicized it publicly , encouraging people to not GAF.
 
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fskimospy

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I love how everyone still attributes everything to one guy who they proclaim is so dumb - Yet he has zero control on how states and cities choose to respond.
That’s incredibly stupid, of course the federal government has ENORMOUS influence on how cities and states behave.

Do you not understand how the US government works? Why do you think the drinking age in every state is 21? Did they all just independently decide that or was there some other force that influenced their behavior?

Why aren't the numbers drastically reducing now that we got the smart guy in office?

On the day Biden was inaugurated the 7 day average for new coronavirus cases was ~195,000. Today it is ~155,000. That’s a 20% decline in just over a week! That’s absolutely drastic, you big dummy!

Now of course Biden has little to nothing to do with this, but as always it’s funny to see you own yourself. The stupidity you display here on a near daily basis is just incredible.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Could we have had 10 to 30 percent fewer deaths if the previous administration was competent. I say yes.
I have posted before and hold true today, I did not expect the death toll to be zero, that is not a reasonable goal. I do expect something is done and I do expect regular briefings that are honest and not filled with verifiable bullshit. I expect the President to address the nation during a crisis and be prepared and competent enough to speak.
Gee, do you think we might have had fewer cases and deaths had the president not deliberately misled the country about the seriousness of the virus and then stoked a culture war around masks, an incredibly low cost but extremely effective intervention?

Nahhhhhhh. That’s crazy talk.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Gee, do you think we might have had fewer cases and deaths had the president not deliberately misled the country about the seriousness of the virus and then stoked a culture war around masks, an incredibly low cost but extremely effective intervention?

Nahhhhhhh. That’s crazy talk.
Yep, the party of goldfish won't remember any of that. 12 months is plenty of time to move onto the next daily cup of rage.
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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What I believe that posting anything in the P&N forum is a total waste of time. I'm outta here.


Wise decision!

While you and I don't always agree on politics, we DO completely agree that this place is best in ...erm... limited dosages!

 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Lol that's not how arguments work in life silly buns.

YOU guys are asserting that if Trump wasn't the president, we would magically have a significant amount of less deaths from COVID - even though he doesn't have jack shit to do with how states are enforcing (or not enforcing) lockdowns, restaurant closure, vaccine production, etc.

You literally have as much evidence as saying " There were 400k COVID deaths while Ariana Grande was alive." And peddling that as if you have evidence to say if someone else was in power that anything would have any significantly different results.

oh look, a fucking clown that doesn't know how government management works, and absolutely refuses to look at easily-observable comparable models of how effective risk management, in the very same situation, works around the world under inarguably competent governments.

lol. look at the fucking clown.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Im interested in the answer. I mean, I haven't even heard anyone say this, nor have I ever said it. Rewind a year and there's a recording of trump admitting how shitty the virus is, while he politicized it publicly , encouraging people to not GAF.

And we also have recording of Kushner stating their intent to deliberately limit aid and resources to "democratic states" because they thought it would make Trump look better if a lot of democrats died.

They purposely murdered Americans to win a fucking election. That is literally true.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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What I believe that posting anything in the P&N forum is a total waste of time. I'm outta here.

Why do you think Trump intentionally murdering more than 300k Americans is somehow normal?

Why do you think this? This is what we know that the admin did, and you can't really not know that. Are you illiterate? Do you not pay attention to actual news?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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And we also have recording of Kushner stating their intent to deliberately limit aid and resources to "democratic states" because they thought it would make Trump look better if a lot of democrats died.

They purposely murdered Americans to win a fucking election. That is literally true.
Huh? Whuh? #bothsides
 
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MtnMan

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Jul 27, 2004
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Umm... still not Trump's fault? Some people here still act like he personally brought it into the US to infect everybody.
No, but once here, he said fuck you poor slobs we are going to let it thin the herd, reduce medicare and social security by killing off perhaps a million+ old people, and by the way we are going to mock and harass people that aren't as fucking stupid as ultimatebob and wear a mask cause they want to live, and not infect their fellow man by being a fucking stupid asshole like ultimatebob.

capeesh?
 
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MtnMan

Diamond Member
Jul 27, 2004
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What I believe that posting anything in the P&N forum is a total waste of time. I'm outta here.
Awwww did you get your poor little snowflake 'feels' hurt there you fucking pansy?

Don't let the door hit you in the ass... but that is a big fucking target... asshole
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Umm... still not Trump's fault? Some people here still act like he personally brought it into the US to infect everybody.

I love how everyone still attributes everything to one guy who they proclaim is so dumb - Yet he has zero control on how states and cities choose to respond.

Why aren't the numbers drastically reducing now that we got the smart guy in office?

Have you no shame, gentlemen? Trump played the pandemic for political advantage rather than in the interests of public health. He popularized maskless defiance as an act of political fealty to him. Witness his covid party in the Rose Garden & his frenzied rallying thereafter. He had rallies all over the country, ten in the 2 days prior to the election & never mentioned public health guidelines as he basked in the glory of thousands of maskless morons packed together & cheering at the top of their lungs. He actually promoted the spread. He attacked Governors who took steps to limit the spread & told his followers to "liberate!" states where they did. He minimized it from the start & promoted outright quackery.
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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And we also have recording of Kushner stating their intent to deliberately limit aid and resources to "democratic states" because they thought it would make Trump look better if a lot of democrats died.

They purposely murdered Americans to win a fucking election. That is literally true.
the irony is that if they had handled the pandemic in a competent manner chances are trump would still be in office.
 
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