Conservatives: What would you like the Congress to do now that it is held by R's.

[Mai72]

Go to war?

 

[Jaskalas]

I want a clean bill on net neutrality.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Prove that they're competent enough not to assault us with thousand page bills.

While they're at it, securing the border is another one. Place the military on it. Build the "fence". Do whatever it takes.

 

[Lash444]

I want a clean bill on net neutrality.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Prove that they're competent enough not to assault us with thousand page bills.

While they're at it, securing the border is another one. Place the military on it. Build the "fence". Do whatever it takes.

Agreed

 

[schmuckley]

IOW, right wing fantasy damage. I understand completely.

I don't think you do.More obstruction IS what was voted for.

I want to see 5 terrorists getting let go in exchange for a traitor stopped;and possibly prosecuted.
I want to see accountability for lying to the public about Bhenghazi.
I want secure borders,and illegals deported.
I want the ban on imported ammunition/firearms lifted.(which Obama banned by Executive order.)
I want Obamacare repealed.
I want lobbying outlawed.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/11/obam...released-terrorists-i-owe-you-no-explanation/

^This is what I want stopped.
Lawlessness,no regard for the Constitution.


Le sigh..

 

[Sonikku]

Conservatives: What would you like the Congress to do now that it is held by R's.

I want them to stop Obama from regulating the Internet.

 

[PokerGuy]

Well, thats precisely why the question was asked in the first place. What do you want to see Congress do? Regardless of what WILL pass, what do you want to see them attempt?

I don't want them to waste their time trying to push things that won't pass. So basically, I want them to make sure further damage is limited -- that's it.

But just think about your stance for a second. And its the same sentiment that every one of my 3 closest R friends have at my workplace. They are happy with gridlock if that means D doesn't get something passed.

You haven't seen any improvement for Obama? None?

Nope, not only no improvement, just steps in the wrong direction.

So just so we are on the same page here, you feel that Obama has contributed absolutely nothing towards the betterment of the nation

I can't think of any positive achievement or even attempted achievement, just failure and pushing in the wrong direction.

you want R to shoot down every policy that comes their way (play defense as you put it)

I didn't say shoot down every policy or initiative, just every lousy one.... and to date that's been pretty much all of them. If and when a good policy/initiative/legislation is proposed, I'd want the R's to support it.

and you STILL feel that its the other side of the table that is completely unwilling to comprimise? How many of the R base feels that exact same way you think? Id say thats the majority. Thats not compromise.

I do believe the majority of conservatives feel the way I do, and yes, I agree that's not compromise. Some things you can compromise on, others you cannot. You can't compromise on something you think is fundamentally wrong and destructive to the country, nor should you.

Obama has clearly done a lot of good things for this country.

Such as???? I'd love to hear some of these wonderful things.

I don't care who wins the argument, or who created the policy that benefits the nation. I just want to see it passed. To get to that point, the first thing that everyone needs to agree on... is that "playing defense" on everything from the opposing team, and then complaining the other side doesn't compromise...is precisely why we are in the shithole that we are. Agreed?

Again, it's not playing defense against everything from the opposing team just because it comes from the other side, just the bad ideas/policies from the opposing team, which happens to be almost all of them.

I mean hell, Obama can't even state that he supports Net Neutrality without the yahoos coming out to take a stance against it. Net Neutrality should be one of those things that everyone besides big business should be completely on the same side about.

I'm absolutely in favor of net neutrality, a good example of an area I completely disagree with the gop on, and why I don't like the gop much more than I like the lefties. Play defense on all bad ideas -- the gop cannot pass anything without support from the left, so there's no point in pushing initiatives that will get shot down anyway.

 

[hal2kilo]

I want a clean bill on net neutrality.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Prove that they're competent enough not to assault us with thousand page bills.

While they're at it, securing the border is another one. Place the military on it. Build the "fence". Do whatever it takes.

That will sure take care of those immigrants that are over staying their visas. Which is how most of the illegals get here. You guys kill me with your myths.

 

[Zaap]

Nothing. Stay out of the way of the real business of the nation (all the ordinary citizens going about their lives, doing their jobs, making things work) and be a check/balance on the clown-in-chief to do the same.

 

[ivwshane]

Not only does he think obama has done nothing but he believes Obama has done damage! Of course when confronted and asked to explain what that damage is he is real quick to point out that the list of wrongs is too great and too long to list!

Lol! You might be a regarded righty if you can't back up your hyperbole!

Well, thats precisely why the question was asked in the first place. What do you want to see Congress do? Regardless of what WILL pass, what do you want to see them attempt?

I am not going to get into what the R's have tried, that have been shot down. Both parties have tried to include things in Bills that they know the opposition wouldn't support.

But just think about your stance for a second. And its the same sentiment that every one of my 3 closest R friends have at my workplace. They are happy with gridlock if that means D doesn't get something passed.

You haven't seen any improvement for Obama? None? So just so we are on the same page here, you feel that Obama has contributed absolutely nothing towards the betterment of the nation, you want R to shoot down every policy that comes their way (play defense as you put it), and you STILL feel that its the other side of the table that is completely unwilling to comprimise? How many of the R base feels that exact same way you think? Id say thats the majority. Thats not compromise.

I just think you look at things too much from a black and white perspective. And this goes back to Congress holding us all hostage with the debt ceiling. You can't call it "compromise" if there are unilateral concessions. Obama has clearly done a lot of good things for this country. I won't deny hes done a lot of bad ones as well.

I don't care who wins the argument, or who created the policy that benefits the nation. I just want to see it passed. To get to that point, the first thing that everyone needs to agree on... is that "playing defense" on everything from the opposing team, and then complaining the other side doesn't compromise...is precisely why we are in the shithole that we are. Agreed?

I mean hell, Obama can't even state that he supports Net Neutrality without the yahoos coming out to take a stance against it. Net Neutrality should be one of those things that everyone besides big business should be completely on the same side about.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not only does he think obama has done nothing but he believes Obama has done damage! Of course when confronted and asked to explain what that damage is he is real quick to point out that the list of wrongs is too great and too long to list!

Lol! You might be a regarded righty if you can't back up your hyperbole!

It's denial in support of Faith.

Righties are so afraid of being wrong that they won't even look at something like that. Faith conquers all with sufficient truthiness. Just believe harder.

 

[PokerGuy]

Not only does he think obama has done nothing but he believes Obama has done damage! Of course when confronted and asked to explain what that damage is he is real quick to point out that the list of wrongs is too great and too long to list!

Lol! You might be a regarded righty if you can't back up your hyperbole!

I'm pretty sure I gave a starting list of examples of damage done, and one could certainly create a much longer more detailed list. I'm still waiting for those great accomplishments though.

 

[ivwshane]

I'm pretty sure I gave a starting list of examples of damage done, and one could certainly create a much longer more detailed list. I'm still waiting for those great accomplishments though.

No you just spewed a bunch of words together and claimed they were bad. Saying "obummercare" is bad might be all one needs when debating with a forth grader but you are going to have to do better than that and explain why.

Try again

 

[Atreus21]

That's why there was no real agenda pushed by the GOP, they can't really push an agenda, the best you can hope for is to contain the damage done by the idiots in the administration, and to force them (when the time comes) to not appoint complete morons to scotus and appeals court positions.

Disagree. It's not sufficient to be against Obama. They should've put forth an agenda, even without a supermajority.

I'd like to see them, somehow, curtail Obama's desire to introduce amnesty by decree.

I'd like to see some attempt to lower the deficit.

 

[PokerGuy]

No you just spewed a bunch of words together and claimed they were bad. Saying "obummercare" is bad might be all one needs when debating with a forth grader but you are going to have to do better than that and explain why.

Try again

He asked for examples of things that had done harm, I provided a starting list of things that had. If you want to have a debate about what exactly the damage was and if you think it's a negative or positive impact, feel free to start another thread. That's exactly why I said a more detailed explanation and listing would require many pages given the many failures and failed policies.

With such pathetic reading and comprehension skills, how the heck did you manage to get a high school degree? Public school in a really bad area maybe?

 

[ivwshane]

He asked for examples of things that had done harm, I provided a starting list of things that had. If you want to have a debate about what exactly the damage was and if you think it's a negative or positive impact, feel free to start another thread. That's exactly why I said a more detailed explanation and listing would require many pages given the many failures and failed policies.

With such pathetic reading and comprehension skills, how the heck did you manage to get a high school degree? Public school in a really bad area maybe?

Lol! Again, you claiming something has been harmful doesn't make it so. Would you like to bitch out again or do you think you can complete a simple task?

 

[PokerGuy]

Disagree. It's not sufficient to be against Obama. They should've put forth an agenda, even without a supermajority.

Why waste the time? It's like the house continuing to pass bills and send them to the senate knowing that the senate was not going to do anything with them. Waste of time and resources.

I'd like to see them, somehow, curtail Obama's desire to introduce amnesty by decree.

Not gonna happen, unless they impeach him. I'd love to see that happen, but it's not going to, so we get exactly what the bummer intended. Mass amnesty, millions of newly minted government handout dependent democrats for life.

I'd like to see some attempt to lower the deficit.

Can't do anything without being able to override a filibuster and/or veto, unless you basically just give the libs a blank check to continue spending unabated. Again, why waste the time and resources?

 

[PokerGuy]

Lol! Again, you claiming something has been harmful doesn't make it so. Would you like to bitch out again or do you think you can complete a simple task?

lol Again, I've already explained it to you. He asked for a list of things, I provided a starter list. If you want to debate items on that list, feel free to do so. If you still don't understand, read the posts again, but this time with the assistance of an adult or your special ed teacher.

 

[ivwshane]

lol Again, I've already explained it to you. He asked for a list of things, I provided a starter list. If you want to debate items on that list, feel free to do so. If you still don't understand, read the posts again, but this time with the assistance of an adult or your special ed teacher.

Bitch out it is!

 

[Atreus21]

Not gonna happen, unless they impeach him. I'd love to see that happen, but it's not going to, so we get exactly what the bummer intended. Mass amnesty, millions of newly minted government handout dependent democrats for life.

I wonder if the moderate democrats in congress will stand for that. That's a flagrant usurpation of power from the legislative branch.

Can't do anything without being able to override a filibuster and/or veto, unless you basically just give the libs a blank check to continue spending unabated. Again, why waste the time and resources?

Well, that's true.

 

[PokerGuy]

I wonder if the moderate democrats in congress will stand for that. That's a flagrant usurpation of power from the legislative branch.

It is, but it's also not unprecedented. Remember the Reagan mass amnesty? That worked out great for us in terms of stemming the tide of illegal immigration..... oh wait....

The moderate dems (is there even such a thing left, seems like the moderates of both parties keep getting driven out) welcome to addition of millions of dem-for-life to their voter list. They're not going to object.

Also, remember the debacle the last time the R's tried to stem spending? Not even reduce spending, but reduce the amount of increase in the spending levels? Outraged cries of austerity, war on the poor and so forth. Why would the R's risk that again? Nope, if they are smart they just sit back and do their best to not have any more lousy policies enacted. It's all they can do.

 

[Atreus21]

It is, but it's also not unprecedented. Remember the Reagan mass amnesty? That worked out great for us in terms of stemming the tide of illegal immigration..... oh wait....

It also wasn't an executive order. Obama's use of such a thing will be entirely unprecedented. That's why I think the threat of impeachment should be on the table: it's entirely on reasonable grounds. And for that reason, moderate democrats might consider it. Yes, Obama is within his legal authority to grant mass amnesty. For that matter he's within his legal authority to pardon every convict in the United States. But if he does so, he's unfit for such authority.

The moderate dems (is there even such a thing left, seems like the moderates of both parties keep getting driven out) welcome to addition of millions of dem-for-life to their voter list. They're not going to object.

I wonder if it's that simple.

Also, remember the debacle the last time the R's tried to stem spending? Not even reduce spending, but reduce the amount of increase in the spending levels? Outraged cries of austerity, war on the poor and so forth. Why would the R's risk that again? Nope, if they are smart they just sit back and do their best to not have any more lousy policies enacted. It's all they can do.

If you mean the sequester, I'd imagine the R's might not worry about it because all the fear mongering of the left amounted to absolutely nothing. The world didn't come to an end and the R's retook the senate. Not to mention, the democrats looked pretty dumb blaming republicans for an idea that originated with Obama.

 

[shortylickens]

Boot out the christian zealots and actually get some fuckin work done.

 

[Lash444]

I'm pretty sure I gave a starting list of examples of damage done, and one could certainly create a much longer more detailed list. I'm still waiting for those great accomplishments though.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ma...mas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all

I'm not going to go into great lengths saying that all of these are Obama's successes. But to say that Obama did NOTHING for the country, sounds like something I would only hear on Fox.

Lets not forget where we were at coming out of 2008. Our auto industry appeared to be dying. Our housing market was in shambles. We were in the midst of fighting two wars. We were losing how many hundreds of thousands of jobs a month? Our healthcare system was in dire needs of fixing. Even today, the rest of the world appears to be struggling (China, Europe, Russia) and while we aren't exactly blowing the doors off the car, we at least appear to be making headway.

I mean, I can understand not liking Obama. His response to the NSA spying, gun control, and social issues rub me the wrong way. But to say he did nothing good? Come on man. There is never any absolutes. Even Bush Jr. did some good things.

Give it a few more years. You will be walking in here, just like the rest of the Republicans, all talking about how Obamacare was really your parties idea. People have short memories. They will forget all the attempts to repeal. Heck, you forgot how bad our country was looking in 2008, and that was only 6 years ago. Thankfully in todays age, we have all of this stuff in digital format so we can help people remember what they apparently are quick to forget.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Republicans can do plenty of good if they try.

Reduce & simplify paperwork/red tape needed for starting or maintaining a business.
Reduce & simplify paperwork/red tape needed for increasing size of business from a small business to a medium size business.

Reduce/simplify regulations for many industries. This does not mean remove regulations, but instead, use realistic regulation requirements that can be easily measured, and penalties for failures should be very stiff.

End the war on drugs as it is a very expensive waste.

Come up with better reporting/accounting for federal spending, if XXX billion goes towards feeding the hungry, what % of the cost of that is overhead, find ways to trim the overhead in all federal departments.

Now, I would prefer a lot of more liberal/progressive things to be done too, but trying to list things that Conservatives might agree with, things that would benefit the nation as a whole.

 

[Fern]

I consider myself a fiscal conservative; I would like to see less spending in areas that don't need it - like subsidies for corporations. Let them figure it out, let those million dollar salaries actually do some work and earn their salaries, instead of asking for hand outs.

Please list the subsidies you are referring to.

Fern