Conservatives: What would you like the Congress to do now that it is held by R's.

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CZroe

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Lol! So your answer is to let the institutions you think are operating monopolistically now do so with exactly zero oversight because that will some how make things better? Wow! The GOP base are a bunch of idiots!

Of course what you really want is more oversight and less business friendly oversight, which certainly isn't a republican position, so again, I'm not sure why you are asking the republicans to do something they are opposed to.

He's saying that the free market will eventually regulate itself even if would-be abusers try to take advantage of it.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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He's saying that the free market will eventually regulate itself even if would-be abusers try to take advantage of it.

Because that worked so great in the past... except for those times when it didn't leading to the creation of those things...

Detoothing and defunding worked out so well in the leadup to 2008 so clearly it's a different time than the past...
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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He's saying that the free market will eventually regulate itself even if would-be abusers try to take advantage of it.

I know what he's saying, it's a ridiculous claim that is destroyed by history.
 
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doubledeluxe

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I agree with the above and I would add that cutting defense spending by 50% or more would be a good way to get started. The current deficit is around $500B so if you cut out $300B from Defense spending you're over half way there.

Next up would be a line item veto so you can get rid of the pork barrel spending.

Neither of these things will happen but it's my wish list.
 

Jhhnn

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He's saying that the free market will eventually regulate itself even if would-be abusers try to take advantage of it.

It always has, just with enormous swings of fortune, waves of speculation & over extension of credit followed by panic & collapse. It's like saying that manic-depressives regulate their mood...
 

Meghan54

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work on amending obamacare to address healthcare costs.


There are very few ways to address healthcare costs until you address all the uninsured/underinsured in this country that use ER's for primary care, the most expensive way to get healthcare delivered.

And with hospitals having to eat the cost of persons getting care without insurance, costs are driven up for those that can and do pay.

Vicious cycle that won't be "fixed" until we get everyone insured. Otherwise, the U.S. will continue to spend more on healthcare than any other nation on earth with some of the worst results of all that spending.

You want to start fixing it? Get more doctors trained instead of letting the AMA dictate how many MD students can be admitted every year, a number kept artificially low to prop up prices MD's charge....exclusivity.
 

Matt1970

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There are very few ways to address healthcare costs until you address all the uninsured/underinsured in this country that use ER's for primary care, the most expensive way to get healthcare delivered.

The fact that the ER is so expensive is a major part of the problem.
And with hospitals having to eat the cost of persons getting care without insurance, costs are driven up for those that can and do pay.
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And that's all that Universal Healthcare or Obamacare will do, shift the costs from those who can't pay to those who can. No real change here only government will be at the reigns. We are just stirring up the same ole' shit stew thinking somehow it's going to taste different.
 

ivwshane

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The fact that the ER is so expensive is a major part of the problem.


And that's all that Universal Healthcare or Obamacare will do, shift the costs from those who can't pay to those who can. No real change here only government will be at the reigns. We are just stirring up the same ole' shit stew thinking somehow it's going to taste different.

Great! So what I'm hearing from you is that the ACA is a good start but much more needs to be done. Finally something I think we can all agree on.

So the next question would be; what should we do next? Some solutions provided so far are:

Repeal the ACA
Expand current public options
More regulations
Go to fully socialized healthcare system
Get government completely out of health care

Feel free to add your own big idea
 

Matt1970

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Great! So what I'm hearing from you is that the ACA is a good start but much more needs to be done. Finally something I think we can all agree on.

So the next question would be; what should we do next? Some solutions provided so far are:

Repeal the ACA
Expand current public options
More regulations
Go to fully socialized healthcare system
Get government completely out of health care

Feel free to add your own big idea

That's what you got from that? How about we remove the restrictions and let people have the option to purchase insurance across state lines?
 

werepossum

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By allowing the pipeline to be built, nobody is picking winners and losers. If it's not a viable thing with oil under $95, then it won't get built. Either way, allowing or not allowing the pipeline to be built should have nothing to do with politics. Either it makes sense or it doesn't. Let those footing the bill decide if it makes sense or not.

The point is that building or not building should be based on the merits of the project itself, not political bs.
One would hope, but you never know. We might end up paying them to build it. Government ain't good with non-political merits of a project.
 

Jhhnn

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The fact that the ER is so expensive is a major part of the problem.


And that's all that Universal Healthcare or Obamacare will do, shift the costs from those who can't pay to those who can. No real change here only government will be at the reigns. We are just stirring up the same ole' shit stew thinking somehow it's going to taste different.

You ignore price of entry issues that plague the old system. Lots of Americans couldn't make the ante, couldn't support the monthly payments to have meaningful insurance. So what the subsidies accomplish is that many of those people now contribute to load sharing. Previously, the rest of us footed the bill entirely if they had a serious problem. Under the ACA, they (& all of us, really) can pay a reduced rate when we can't afford full rate w/o employer subsidy.

It's there for everybody who gets laid off or life throws them into impecunious circumstances, and it's also there for anybody who starts their own business. It doesn't mean that people being subsidized never worked, or that they never will again.

Well, unless our Job Creator ideology has failed us in a very big way.
 

Matt1970

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You ignore price of entry issues that plague the old system. Lots of Americans couldn't make the ante, couldn't support the monthly payments to have meaningful insurance. So what the subsidies accomplish is that many of those people now contribute to load sharing. Previously, the rest of us footed the bill entirely if they had a serious problem. Under the ACA, they (& all of us, really) can pay a reduced rate when we can't afford full rate w/o employer subsidy.

It's there for everybody who gets laid off or life throws them into impecunious circumstances, and it's also there for anybody who starts their own business. It doesn't mean that people being subsidized never worked, or that they never will again.

Well, unless our Job Creator ideology has failed us in a very big way.

How exactly am I ignoring that comrade?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Kinda.

"However, in practice, the MSPP is likely only to offer additional plan choice to the exchanges, not necessarily additional competition.


As noted above, the main goal of the MSPP was to increase plan choice and competition. However, few insurance companies were in position to participate in the MSPP"

Lol! So your issue is that not enough insurers are offering their services across state lines? Well golly matt! That's a different argument then not being able to sell plans across state lines, now isn't it? What would you like to do about it? Repeal the ACA so no insurance companies can sell across state lines? Or are you asking for government to force these companies to start offering plans across state lines?

Careful now, the goal posts are a little wobbly from you moving them once already
 

Matt1970

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Lol! So your issue is that not enough insurers are offering their services across state lines? Well golly matt! That's a different argument then not being able to sell plans across state lines, now isn't it? What would you like to do about it? Repeal the ACA so no insurance companies can sell across state lines? Or are you asking for government to force these companies to start offering plans across state lines?

Careful now, the goal posts are a little wobbly from you moving them once already

There are still plenty of restrictions, otherwise you wouldn't see "few insurance companies were in position to participate in the MSPP". The goalposts are still firmly where I put them at "How about we remove the restrictions".
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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There are still plenty of restrictions, otherwise you wouldn't see "few insurance companies were in position to participate in the MSPP". The goalposts are still firmly where I put them at "How about we remove the restrictions".

What part of, "however few insurance companies were in a position to participate", sounds like there were too many regulations in place? As the ACA continues to move on and enroll more people more insurance companies will take advantage of their new freedoms. Just because they weren't in a position to do it last year doesn't mean they won't be in a position this year.
 

michal1980

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after his failure to execute immigration law in this country, and siding with American hating illegals, he should be impeached.
 

Jhhnn

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What part of, "however few insurance companies were in a position to participate", sounds like there were too many regulations in place? As the ACA continues to move on and enroll more people more insurance companies will take advantage of their new freedoms. Just because they weren't in a position to do it last year doesn't mean they won't be in a position this year.

It doesn't even mean they see it as advantageous to go that way at all. If they don't, it's just another right wing straw man.

If they do, that doesn't mean it's any better for consumers than Delaware Corporations or Credit Card Companies headquartered in S Dakota. Quite the opposite may well be true.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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after his failure to execute immigration law in this country, and siding with American hating illegals, he should be impeached.

Well you should talk to Boehners lawyers because you are apparently smarter than they are. I'll be waiting for that impeachment! Lol!
 

trenchfoot

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Well you should talk to Boehners lawyers because you are apparently smarter than they are. I'll be waiting for that impeachment! Lol!

I'm kind'a thinking Obama is really really hoping the Repubs take the bait. Give the Repub base what they want and watch the Repub Congress commit fratricide ala T-Baggers vs. Old Guard, just like the last time the gov't got shut down by them.

Worked before, so let's see if the irresistible temptation to hang themselves out of spite for Obama works again.
 
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