Considering buying a Raptor...

[Jeff7181]

Anyone who has one, please provide your opinion of it.
On newegg, one person had a compatability problem with it and his A7N8X Deluxe, which is what I'm using. Does anyone know of any compatibility problems between this motherboard and this hard drive? If so, does it only effect certain motherboard revisions?

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Anyone who has one, please provide your opinion of it.
On newegg, one person had a compatability problem with it and his A7N8X Deluxe, which is what I'm using. Does anyone know of any compatibility problems between this motherboard and this hard drive? If so, does it only effect certain motherboard revisions?

You may only run into problems when using the Silicon Data S-ATA controller... (probably what the Asus has)

I don't think there are any problems with the drive itself so to speak.. but the S-ATA controller itself is the problem spot...

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Anyone who has one, please provide your opinion of it.
On newegg, one person had a compatability problem with it and his A7N8X Deluxe, which is what I'm using. Does anyone know of any compatibility problems between this motherboard and this hard drive? If so, does it only effect certain motherboard revisions?

You may only run into problems when using the Silicon Data S-ATA controller... (probably what the Asus has)

I don't think there are any problems with the drive itself so to speak.. but the S-ATA controller itself is the problem spot...

Do you mean Silicon Image? Toms hardware reviewed the Silicon Image 3112 SATA controller the best out of all of them that exist right now.

 

[Jeff7181]

:beer:

 

[bgeh]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Anyone who has one, please provide your opinion of it.
On newegg, one person had a compatability problem with it and his A7N8X Deluxe, which is what I'm using. Does anyone know of any compatibility problems between this motherboard and this hard drive? If so, does it only effect certain motherboard revisions?

You may only run into problems when using the Silicon Data S-ATA controller... (probably what the Asus has)

I don't think there are any problems with the drive itself so to speak.. but the S-ATA controller itself is the problem spot...

Do you mean Silicon Image? Toms hardware reviewed the Silicon Image 3112 SATA controller the best out of all of them that exist right now.

yeah, but there were driver problems with them. maybe the latest drivers fix them. but AFAIK, the last drivers fixed the problem but HD speed went back to the PIO4 days
maybe there's a newer driver

 

[NokiaDude]

If you want performance, go with a Raptor. IF you want a MUCH better price/space ratio then go for the SE drives. It's around $0.50 a gigabyte now.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: NokiaDude
If you want performance, go with a Raptor. IF you want a MUCH better price/space ratio then go for the SE drives. It's around $0.50 a gigabyte now.

Yeah I know... I want better performance... which is why I'm considering a Raptor... I'd use it as my Windows parition and keep all my programs and games on there... and use my current WD800JB for storage. Just want to hear some people's personal experience with them, especially if they're using an A7N8X motherboard.

 

[WyteWatt]

Jeff7181 The Intel ICH5R Controller has the best Raid 0 performence just to let you know.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: imtim83
Jeff7181 The Intel ICH5R Controller has the best Raid 0 performence just to let you know.

I don't care about RAID 0... I'm considering buying a single Raptor drive.

 

[pelikan]

The Sata problems with the A7N8X have been solved in the latest bios releases. There's some good reading about this issue at AMDMB.com in the Asus section.

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: imtim83
Jeff7181 The Intel ICH5R Controller has the best Raid 0 performence just to let you know.

I don't care about RAID 0... I'm considering buying a single Raptor drive.

I'm personally waiting in agony for Intel to release a BIOS update for the ICH5R controller to allow RAID 1. According to Intel, it is built in, but not turned on. Some Raptor RAID 1 on the ICH5R happiness is what I'm after!

techfuzz

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: techfuzz

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: imtim83
Jeff7181 The Intel ICH5R Controller has the best Raid 0 performence just to let you know.

I don't care about RAID 0... I'm considering buying a single Raptor drive.

I'm personally waiting in agony for Intel to release a BIOS update for the ICH5R controller to allow RAID 1. According to Intel, it is built in, but not turned on. Some Raptor RAID 1 on the ICH5R happiness is what I'm after!

techfuzz

Just curious... what do you want RAID 1 for? Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Just curious... what do you want RAID 1 for? Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

Purely for joy and to see how fast I can get windows to load up.

techfuzz

 

[Schadenfroh]

BUMP
i want to get a raptor also and i have a a7n8x deluxe

has the latest driver update fixed all problems and speed it up????????

otherwise i am not getting it, btw how does serial ata work? just treat it like an IDE drive?

 

[Technonut]

Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

One of mine bit the dust last week (RAID0).... It started with a Disk Error BSOD. I tested each Raptor separately to find one that had too many errors to list. The other is OK and still in use. (Current Ghost backups are a good thing )

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: techfuzz

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Just curious... what do you want RAID 1 for? Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

Purely for joy and to see how fast I can get windows to load up.

techfuzz

You must mean RAID 0 then... because RAID 1 is mirroring and ads no performance benefits.

 

[Afro000Dude]

Originally posted by: Technonut

Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

One of mine bit the dust last week (RAID0).... It started with a Disk Error BSOD. I tested each Raptor separately to find one that had too many errors to list. The other is OK and still in use. (Current Ghost backups are a good thing )

Wow, so much for that "enterprise reliability." Why would it fail so early?

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: Afro000Dude

Originally posted by: Technonut

Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

One of mine bit the dust last week (RAID0).... It started with a Disk Error BSOD. I tested each Raptor separately to find one that had too many errors to list. The other is OK and still in use. (Current Ghost backups are a good thing )

Wow, so much for that "enterprise reliability." Why would it fail so early?

pr0n...

 

[Afro000Dude]

Originally posted by: boyRacer

Originally posted by: Afro000Dude

Originally posted by: Technonut

Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

One of mine bit the dust last week (RAID0).... It started with a Disk Error BSOD. I tested each Raptor separately to find one that had too many errors to list. The other is OK and still in use. (Current Ghost backups are a good thing )

Wow, so much for that "enterprise reliability." Why would it fail so early?

pr0n...

Yeah, I guess hosting a pr0n server would be considered abuse not covered by the manufacturer's warranty.

 

[techfuzz]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You must mean RAID 0 then... because RAID 1 is mirroring and ads no performance benefits.

You're wrong. Go look up the definition of RAID 1 and its performance benefits.

techfuzz

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: techfuzz

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You must mean RAID 0 then... because RAID 1 is mirroring and ads no performance benefits.

You're wrong. Go look up the definition of RAID 1 and its performance benefits.

techfuzz

RAID 1 is disk mirroring... you won't see as great a performance increase as RAID 0... perhaps you meant RAID 0+1?

 

[GoSharks]

Originally posted by: Afro000Dude

Originally posted by: Technonut

Are you that afraid of a Raptor drive failing?

One of mine bit the dust last week (RAID0).... It started with a Disk Error BSOD. I tested each Raptor separately to find one that had too many errors to list. The other is OK and still in use. (Current Ghost backups are a good thing )

Wow, so much for that "enterprise reliability." Why would it fail so early?

bathtub curve (as my dad who used to design/work with ibm scsi drives) says.
higher number of failures at the beginning and end of life. not much in the middle.

basically it if doesnt die while it is new, it usually wont until it is really old.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: techfuzz

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
You must mean RAID 0 then... because RAID 1 is mirroring and ads no performance benefits.

You're wrong. Go look up the definition of RAID 1 and its performance benefits.

techfuzz

Not trying to start an argument, but RAID 1 offers hardly anything in terms of performance increase. It's mirroring, for reliability purposes only. If you don't believe me, go look at AnandTech's RAID review seen here. And if you still don't believe me, take a look over here, more specifically, this page. And if you STILL don't believe me, you might want to check this out too.

If you still don't believe me after all that, I can provide more links... or you can do some research yourself and search google for RAID.

 

[techfuzz]

RAID 1 - Write performance can decrease compared to a single drive because the data must be written twice and confirmed, thus the slowest link is the slowest drive to write the data.
- Read performance can increase compared to a single drive because the data can be read from whichever drive can access it and return it the fastest.

Now if I'm using 2x Raptors as my boot drive (w/ RAID 1) which are typically used in my computers for booting and loading of programs, not the writing of data, I would expect that my boot time would be less than someone using a single Raptor. The only way we're going to solve this is with some true imperical data, ie. benchmarks, to prove who's right or wrong. Unfortunately since I'm currently paying off my last vacation and saving to buy an engagement ring it isn't going to me who does the benchmarking. I did a little searching tonight, but I couldn't come up with anything that compares boot times and RAID levels.

Cheers,
techfuzz

 

[BG4533]

I currently have a Raptor and A7N8X Deluxe and am considering getting a second for RAID 0. So far, I love this setup. BIOS 1005 with the .29 drivers has all of the corruption and performance issues solved. In PCmark2002 I got around 1400 with a fresh install of windows and on Sandra 42MB/s. Those have dropped to around 1300 and 37mps after using windows a bit. Everything is so much faster than my 60GB deskstar 60GXP and 2 60GXPs in RAID1.