Console manufacturers don't seem to care what the consumer wants...

[Anteaus]

The PS4 is pretty much setup the same way, but they are relying more on PR smoke and mirrors. They said its up to developers if they want to require activation of games through PSN, and my guess is that the vast majority of games will require exactly that or some hybrid.

In context of the topic, I think console manufacturers care what gamers think. I think they believe, with some relative certainty, that in the long run gamers are going to adopt these new requirements in much the same way that PC gamers did.

The PS4 and 360 are going to have similar DRM policies because at the end of the day game developers are going to want it regardless whatever policies MS or Sony would prefer. In regards to the XBOX One, MS is gambling that if they just went full disclosure and then spent the rest of the time prior to release smoothing out PR concerns that by the time the console is release most people will have came to terms with the idea.

I'd wait until Sony does offers more information before we make MS the only bad guy in town.

 

[Doppel]

I don't watch sports and I don't have a cable subscription (I have satellite), so I can't say I felt excited about MS' announcement of their new TV receiver yesterday.

There may be more to come and probably will be from both consoles.

 

[Malak]

I'd like to talk about the fact that the console manufacturers, inexplicably, don't care about what the consumer wants.

I feel like Sony has always provided what I wanted since the PS1, actually.

The PS3 had an open system that was friendly to tinkering (which is now gone)

Let's be honest, the vast majority of console users completely ignored the open part of the system. Being able to load linux on your PS3 is pretty much contradictory to it's purpose.

After Microsofts reveal, I am HUGELY disappointed. And I'm an XBOX guy.

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, maybe that's your problem all along. That you are an XBOX guy. When I traded my 360 in for a PS3, I never looked back. Always been happier and Microsoft isn't giving me any reason to regret sticking with Sony. Been happy with every Sony console so far, going to stick with them.

 

[Malak]

And if you think Sony is going to do "all of that", then you're mistaken. They made the decision to go for gamers alone. I am not saying that is a bad decision, because I am sure the PS4 will be a good gaming system. MS is looking beyond that though. They are posturing themselves for the future when people want more than just a singular device. They don't want to be left behind or have to start from scratch when the market continues to turn into a multifuctional wanting beast.

You remember HD-DVD? You remember why it lost to Bluray? Because Sony was ahead of the game and made a singular multimedia device with the PS3. Microsoft didn't even bother to include a harddrive with their console. And PS3 let gamers play their games and not require a subscription. Everyone in my family uses the PS3 as their home multimedia device and Bluray is the media of choice because of that.

 

[Anteaus]

You remember HD-DVD? You remember why it lost to Bluray? Because Sony was ahead of the game and made a singular multimedia device with the PS3. Microsoft didn't even bother to include a harddrive with their console. And PS3 let gamers play their games and not require a subscription. Everyone in my family uses the PS3 as their home multimedia device and Bluray is the media of choice because of that.

Sony also took a back seat for most of the life of the PS3 due to that gamble. It is only in the last couple years that the PS3 and 360 are relatively even in adoption. Sony did win the media war, but I'm curious if it will matter in the long run with digital distribution. What difference is 5 DVDs versus 1 bluray if everything has to be ran from the hard drive? Blu-ray offers no advantage over DVD except for storage capacity and DRM (HDCP).

If the PS3 had shipped a year earlier with a DVD drive, it would have absolutely crushed the 360 without even breaking a sweat. The blu-ray gamble gave MS enough time to correct the mistakes and smooth things out. Opportunity cost can really be a SOB sometimes.

 

[exar333]

Except MS did not shun anybody. They incorporated a bunch of features for non gamers INTO a gaming system, that looks quite capable.

And if you think Sony is going to do "all of that", then you're mistaken. They made the decision to go for gamers alone. I am not saying that is a bad decision, because I am sure the PS4 will be a good gaming system. MS is looking beyond that though. They are posturing themselves for the future when people want more than just a singular device. They don't want to be left behind or have to start from scratch when the market continues to turn into a multifuctional wanting beast.

This.

Look how well mobile gaming devices are doing compared to mobiles. The writing is on the wall for consoles as well...TVs have their own apps, wifi streaming, etc. The need to add value more than just gaming is more than 'extra', its essential now.

 

[Kneedragger]

Yeah the Xbox announcement was a let down for me also. I think its a bit overrated as a gaming console with the UI and experience. I have owned a Xbox since the first one came out and I just bought a PS3 about six months ago.
This whole snap mode is cool, but what apps will I want to check while gaming? Not a movie streaming app nor a social media app. Oh... speaking of social media on the Xbox 360, the apps sucked. The twitter one was a piece of shit. I can check apps on my smart phone. I don't want to browse the internet because lets be honest... I hate typing messages alone with the controller so why the fuck do I want to type out more shit? Ok maybe I can do a voice search, but what if I'm in a group chat? I don't want people hearing and I doubt you want to hear it either.. Skype is cool, we all sort of guessed that was going to happen since MS bought Skype recently.


Now this whole TV crap option they are trying to offer. Will it be able to access on demand or DVR'd stuff? I highly doubt it maybe just the live tv. So basically I feel this cool TV feature is going to be half baked like the media center feature the current one has. That's just my opinion....


No backwards compatibility is lame, but I think we are going to see that with both consoles so I think we are SOL. Having the option to trade in and resell games at retail sounds like a good idea I have no idea how it will work, but lets have at it. The one thing I question is will any of the on demand games be available to the new consoles? If so why can't we just redownload them then?

Games NEEDING to be installed is not the best idea.. After seeing how much room BF3 took up on a HD this will eat up HD space really fast. It looks like you can hook up a external HD which sounds good as long as we can use something off the shelf from a electronics store.


I wish they would have mentioned if all chat is with Skype including group chat. It would be cool if they bumped up the amount of people you can have in a room like they bumped up the friends list cap.

Good things.

- 1000 friends supported

- Game DVR

- Same controller, but even nicer looking

- Blu-ray

- Supposed 4K support

- New design is nice

 

[American Gunner]

I don't see how anyone can say the blu-ray gamble didn't pay off. In fact, MS is now in last place in sales this generation.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Sony also took a back seat for most of the life of the PS3 due to that gamble. It is only in the last couple years that the PS3 and 360 are relatively even in adoption. Sony did win the media war, but I'm curious if it will matter in the long run with digital distribution. What difference is 5 DVDs versus 1 bluray if everything has to be ran from the hard drive? Blu-ray offers no advantage over DVD except for storage capacity and DRM (HDCP).

If the PS3 had shipped a year earlier with a DVD drive, it would have absolutely crushed the 360 without even breaking a sweat. The blu-ray gamble gave MS enough time to correct the mistakes and smooth things out. Opportunity cost can really be a SOB sometimes.

Blu-Ray no advantage? How about DVD not even doing 720p or lossless audio. Oh I know...you probably don't even do 5.1. Sheesh...

 

[badb0y]

Are you kidding me?

Sony basically came out and said exactly what I wanted to hear. Cater to the developers and cater to the gamers. From what Sony revealed I felt like they were reaching out to hardcore gamers specifically.
-You will play awesome game.
-Developers will make awesome games because we made a console with their input.
-Yes we will have multimedia partners but we are a game console
- Here's in game footage of Killzone, Here's the reveal for DriveClub, Infamous Second Son, Knack.
- We have developers working with us; here's Capcom, here's Activision, here's a list of all the developers working with us.
- PS4 will have a lot of social features but of course "we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that." - Shuhei Yoshida
- Most powerful game console

Seems like a console just right for me.

All I heard in the Xbox reveal was this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QaFgvYU1TE

 

[American Gunner]

The video was very funny badboy. It is so true.

 

[Aikouka]

They did not say, however, I assume they would need some kind of API to interface with each DVR. I believe, you can just watch it normally, using the DVR remote the same, but have the Xbox overlay available at command.

Strangely enough, the idea of having multiple inputs and a device controlling them, is something I had started toying with as a custom Linux distro. Sadly, my projects are usually a bit more ambitious than I have time to code. =(

I wonder what the Xbox would think if I plugged a PS4 into the input. >_> Would it give me that Sonic & Knuckles-esque screen of "No way!"

The X1 will either use HDMI-CEC or an IR blaster to control your cable box. HDMI-CEC means it sends commands (i.e. change to channel ####) over the HDMI cable that's plugged into the HDMI IN port on the X1. Components in home theaters already do this in other ways. For example, if I use the volume control on my TV remote, it actually changes my receiver's volume.

 

[ShadowVVL]

After Microsofts reveal, I am HUGELY disappointed. And I'm an XBOX guy. No used games, hurts consumers. No removeable HDD, hurts consumers. Kinect 2 being required to use the xbox, hurts consumers. Yada yada yada.... It seems like if this console war were on 10 years ago, Microsoft would have gone out of their way to make the HDD removeable, cater to the used game market and give consumers OPTIONS with how they wanted to use their console, not force it down their throats.

I think visually the new xbox looks amazing! But I agree, no used games,no removable hdd hurts and makes the xbox a heap of trash.I assume sony will do the same. I will be throwing my money elsewhere.

 

[zerocool84]

I think visually the new xbox looks amazing! But I agree, no used games,no removable hdd hurts and makes the xbox a heap of trash.I assume sony will do the same. I will be throwing my money elsewhere.

Sony has already said they are not requiring online and not blocking used games.

 

[ShadowVVL]

Sony has already said they are not requiring online and not blocking used games.

Thanks for the correction. Thats good news,Sony might actually get my money

 

[dagamer34]

Except MS did not shun anybody. They incorporated a bunch of features for non gamers INTO a gaming system, that looks quite capable.

And if you think Sony is going to do "all of that", then you're mistaken. They made the decision to go for gamers alone. I am not saying that is a bad decision, because I am sure the PS4 will be a good gaming system. MS is looking beyond that though. They are posturing themselves for the future when people want more than just a singular device. They don't want to be left behind or have to start from scratch when the market continues to turn into a multifuctional wanting beast.

Actually, the weirder belief is thinking the PS4 isn't going to go after the media market as well. The "we built a box for gamers" line is really idiotic. At a hardware level, there is nothing really special about the PS4 compared to the Xbox One. It is all in software.

Do you want to know what makes a good gaming system? Games, something neither company showed off in significant quantity to make any informed decisions. I mean, Sony had a Final Fantasy demo we saw at last E3 for crying out loud. That's just a waste of time.

E3, E3, E3. I really can't say that enough.

 

[badb0y]

 

[tbris84]

Let me preface this by saying, I'm not really a console gamer anymore and haven’t been for a good four years. However, being a guy in his late twenties and growing up with console games I still have both PS3 and XB360 systems for the occasional exclusive titles that pique my interest. (Sadly, this is happening less and less frequently.) I have to admit, I am mildly excited for the next console generation.

What I took from both Pre-E3 pressers has me leaning more towards XB1 than PS4. I’m not sure where all the XB1 hate is coming from to be honest. I wasn’t expecting to be blown away with new, cutting-edge hardware, and I wasn’t expecting Sony to try reinventing the wheel again. To me Sony showed us more of the same, which I think is a good thing for them hardware wise. Microsoft, while I would have liked to have seen some of the new franchises the XB1 would be launching with, I don’t consider it a slight to me that they didn’t show them. It’s a gaming console, of course there are going to be plenty of games. As they said at the beginning of the unveiling, this was to show off the hardware, E3 will be to show off the software. It’s been damn near a decade since the 360’s launch; I can wait another couple weeks.

Personally, I feel that I’m going into E3 knowing more about the XB1 than I do the PS4. Part of the reason I left console games was the lack of innovation since NES as far as menu’s and control goes. I’m intrigued to see what it’s like to navigate the XB1’s menus with the Kinect and what other control features are implemented with it. There is really nothing exciting to me about the PS4, including the new controller. I really don’t like the ergonomics of any of the PS controllers.

I assume both consoles will end up with comparable software lineups, comparable graphics, and comparable price points. The thing that will sell me on one console over the other is what extras they have.

I want more information on the NFL partnership, on whether or not XB1 will be a XBMC Extender, if there will be a Plex app. If I can better consolidate my TV/movie watching software while integrating a gaming system into the mix with vocal and gesture controls, I’m game. (I have this, to a lesser extent, with my Samsung 8000 series TV, but it’s still every lackluster.)

I don't see how anyone can say the blu-ray gamble didn't pay off. In fact, MS is now in last place in sales this generation.

The Bluray gamble definitely paid off, but that has little to do with console sales, let alone global console sale rankings. Japan practically stopped selling the XB360 in Q4 2011. How do you think PS3 and Wii sales would've been affected if North American stores stopped stocking PS3's and Wii's? The POS that is the Nintendo Wii is still far and away the best seller. What does that tell us? L.C.D.

 

[KaOTiK]

The Bluray gamble definitely paid off, but that has little to do with console sales, let alone global console sale rankings. Japan practically stopped selling the XB360 in Q4 2011. How do you think PS3 and Wii sales would've been affected if North American stores stopped stocking PS3's and Wii's? The POS that is the Nintendo Wii is still far and away the best seller. What does that tell us? L.C.D.

Yeah because the 360 is a powerhouse in Japan and it missed out on tons of sales there
You want to start playing all that crap, what about the amount of 360's that have been purchased by people to replace their RROD 360 before MS finally bit the bullet and admitted there was a problem.

 

[dagamer34]

Are you kidding me?

Sony basically came out and said exactly what I wanted to hear. Cater to the developers and cater to the gamers. From what Sony revealed I felt like they were reaching out to hardcore gamers specifically.
-You will play awesome game.
-Developers will make awesome games because we made a console with their input.
-Yes we will have multimedia partners but we are a game console
- Here's in game footage of Killzone, Here's the reveal for DriveClub, Infamous Second Son, Knack.
- We have developers working with us; here's Capcom, here's Activision, here's a list of all the developers working with us.
- PS4 will have a lot of social features but of course "we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that." - Shuhei Yoshida
- Most powerful game console

Seems like a console just right for me.

All I heard in the Xbox reveal was this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QaFgvYU1TE

It sounds like you wanted a box made for you, only you, and no one else but you, which confuses me.

The internet has this silly belief that if Microsoft spends even one second not talking about games, they are wasting your time. It's as if a company filled with 97,000 employees absolutely cannot be working on multiple things at once. Just impossible!

Honest facts, almost all third party games will appear on both consoles. Unless sales become PS2-levels of lopsided (unlikely) regardless of whatever console you buy, you'll get access to the games you'd like to play. As for exclusives, neither side showed anything worth talking about yet. Sony showed off a bunch of sequels and trailers and actual gameplay ONCE. Nothing to get excited about. Microsoft at least bothered to say "wait until E3".

It's as if people have never been involved in a console launch before and decide everything after 30 seconds worth of info. Bravo.

 

[badb0y]

It sounds like you wanted a box made for you, only you, and no one else but you, which confuses me.

The internet has this silly belief that if Microsoft spends even one second not talking about games, they are wasting your time. It's as if a company filled with 97,000 employees absolutely cannot be working on multiple things at once. Just impossible!

Honest facts, almost all third party games will appear on both consoles. Unless sales become PS2-levels of lopsided (unlikely) regardless of whatever console you buy, you'll get access to the games you'd like to play. As for exclusives, neither side showed anything worth talking about yet. Sony showed off a bunch of sequels and trailers and actual gameplay ONCE. Nothing to get excited about. Microsoft at least bothered to say "wait until E3".

It's as if people have never been involved in a console launch before and decide everything after 30 seconds worth of info. Bravo.

I'm sorry but nothing Microsoft showed me was revolutionary in terms of anything. All they talked about was the integration your Xbox will have with the TV through mandatory Kinect. As a core gamer, people like me will be the early adopters of the PS4 or the Xbox. Not your mom, not your casual gamer friend who waits for price cuts but people like me who can stomach the high price of a console.

With that said, gamers buy consoles for a specific reason, to play the games. All that other TV crap was cool to watch but completely impractical since most TVs come now with built in apps (My Samsung Smart TV came with an Appstore that has Netflix, Hulu etc). You think parents looked at that presentation and thought "Oh how nice a console for Jimmy and Timmy and a media hub for me YAY!" No. What they thought was what if Jimmy and Timmy want to play games and I want to play TV shows? Will my living room turn into a yelling match? "KINECT PLAY MOVIE! NO KINECT PLAY COD!"

About the games, most of what Sony showed off was first party titles. We had DriveClub, Killzone, Knack, and Infamous Second Son. All exclusive to the PS4 and saying these games are not significant is stupid since most are launch titles and differentiates them from Microsoft. Microsoft showed us like 1 exclusive game and a bunch of other games that are going to be available on the PS4 and possibly the Wii U too, lol.

I guess what I am trying to get at is the group of people that made the Xbox and the Xbox 360 successful was core gamers. Nothing Microsoft showed us yesterday acknowledged that and instead they used that opportunity to talk about TVs and Kinect and some other garbage no one cares about. Better have some megaton announcements at E3.....just saying.

 

[LumbergTech]

ps4 for me this gen

 

[LumbergTech]

It sounds like you wanted a box made for you, only you, and no one else but you, which confuses me.

The internet has this silly belief that if Microsoft spends even one second not talking about games, they are wasting your time. It's as if a company filled with 97,000 employees absolutely cannot be working on multiple things at once. Just impossible!

Honest facts, almost all third party games will appear on both consoles. Unless sales become PS2-levels of lopsided (unlikely) regardless of whatever console you buy, you'll get access to the games you'd like to play. As for exclusives, neither side showed anything worth talking about yet. Sony showed off a bunch of sequels and trailers and actual gameplay ONCE. Nothing to get excited about. Microsoft at least bothered to say "wait until E3".

It's as if people have never been involved in a console launch before and decide everything after 30 seconds worth of info. Bravo.

As posted above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QaFgvYU1TE

You are just in denial..1 second???????? ahhaha..

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

I honestly wouldn't mind if console creators dropped physical media & went digital exclusively altogether.
But. They would need to bring those insane Steam-like sales to their platforms.
Based on current gen digital services sales, that does not look very promising at all.

 

[colonelciller]

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/1...goes-big-brother-will-spy-on-you-for-the-mpaa


anyone, ANYONE who defends microsoft after this kinect always on, always watching on you in own living room is a complete moronic imbecile with ABSOLUTELY NO VISION.

un-freaking believable