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[pmv]

I have such a long rant I could launch into about all this, but it's too personal.

Basically, my lack of faith in homeopathy is largely because it not only makes little sense in terms of medical science, but because it can't be explained even in terms of physics, i.e. a real science.

My opinion of medical science itself though is not high. It's significantly over-rated. The list of things they don't understand, can't diagnose, can't treat and can't cure or tell you the cause of is quite a long one.

 

[pmv]

The big selling point of the 'alternative' medicine crew is not that they have any ability to actually cure anything (they are vastly less use than conventional medics in that regard), but that they are simply less rude and arrogant than proper doctors (probably partly because they tend to work in private practice and don't have the stress and huge responsibility and exhausting working conditions of NHS employees, but I also think part of it is because if you have something rare or poorly-understood, your very existence is a threat to the proper medic's self-image, as it exposes the limitations of their collective knowledge - in my experience that really seems to irritate them.)

If you have something rare, poorly-understood, under-researched, and hard-to-diagnose (often the case with auto-immune or neurological conditions in particular) medics seem to just get ruder-and-ruder and more-and-more dismissive and insulting and condescending the longer your search for a diagnosis or effective treatment goes on.

Thus patients with lots of money end up paying those "alternative" types, simply to feed the illusion that someone is making an effort and doing something to help them.

Whether that's because they don't really have anything wrong with them (and have more money than sense), or that they have something rare that medical science doesn't yet understand and has difficulty diagnosing and/or treating, is hard to determine in any given case.

 

[Indus]

The big selling point of the 'alternative' medicine crew is not that they have any ability to actually cure anything (they are vastly less use than conventional medics in that regard), but that they are simply less rude and arrogant than proper doctors (probably partly because they tend to work in private practice and don't have the stress and huge responsibility and exhausting working conditions of NHS employees, but I also think part of it is because if you have something rare or poorly-understood, your very existence is a threat to the proper medic's self-image, as it exposes the limitations of their collective knowledge - in my experience that really seems to irritate them.)

If you have something rare, poorly-understood, under-researched, and hard-to-diagnose (often the case with auto-immune or neurological conditions in particular) medics seem to just get ruder-and-ruder and more-and-more dismissive and insulting and condescending the longer your search for a diagnosis or effective treatment goes on.

Thus patients with lots of money end up paying those "alternative" types, simply to feed the illusion that someone is making an effort and doing something to help them.

Whether that's because they don't really have anything wrong with them (and have more money than sense), or that they have something rare that medical science doesn't yet understand and has difficulty diagnosing and/or treating, is hard to determine in any given case.

No one said you can't combine both.

Infact most intelligent people do.. go by what they feel and what their doctor tells them.

 

[cytg111]

A few years back I went to the doc with a bad knee. He too a look at the symptoms and began talking about total knee replacement. Then I went to a witch doctor and today I am back to squatting like a maniac in the gym.

It was obviously not a witch doctor but might as well have been in my mind at the time, I was only there cause I was desperate. I dont believe in shit. Science dude. Science. Well I am converted. Modern medicine has serious blank spots not only in knowledge but in methodology - biggest is probably it's inability to recognize it's own limitations.

So in terms of homeopathy chiming in with the science is a non starter in this category, the only thing you can do is present the data. Do trials and present the data.

Maybe its all placebo. Maybe its the force. You have per definition left these questions behind when you walk through that door.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

A few years back I went to the doc with a bad knee. He too a look at the symptoms and began talking about total knee replacement. Then I went to a witch doctor and today I am back to squatting like a maniac in the gym.

It was obviously not a witch doctor but might as well have been in my mind at the time, I was only there cause I was desperate. I dont believe in shit. Science dude. Science. Well I am converted. Modern medicine has serious blank spots not only in knowledge but in methodology - biggest is probably it's inability to recognize it's own limitations.

So in terms of homeopathy chiming in with the science is a non starter in this category, the only thing you can do is present the data. Do trials and present the data.

Maybe its all placebo. Maybe its the force. You have per definition left these questions behind when you walk through that door.

What you needed was a second opinion, not a witch doctor :\

 

[pmv]

I never went down the 'alternative' route, because I have neither the money nor the mindset for that. But I once encountered one of that lot (weirdly enough, via the NHS, that for a while actually endorsed homeopathy, and sometimes referred people to homeopaths, I'm pretty sure because of the influence of Prince Charles).

It really struck me that while I didn't find any of their theorising remotely believable, they had a _very_ different manner to the usual NHS doctors. It was obvious they were used to dealing with private paying patients, hence were far less brusque and rude compared to the usual NHS doctors. Ironically, their smoothness and obsequiousness made me even more disinclined to accept their theories.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What you needed was a second opinion, not a witch doctor :\

You are ignoring the very real fact that there are people out there who are "healers" by birth. They don't take out ads in the paper. They don't get rich from their God given gift. They do it only because their inner voice tells them that that's what they are here to do. Be arrogant and ignorant enough and sometimes a really bad life experience will make you a believer.

If you have ever tried to understand what happens in certifying a drug for the general public in drug trials, you will understand clearly what medical science really is. There are cases where drugs with 40% success rates are certified for public consumption and then you end up with the 60% of patients suffering horrible side effects.

 

[sdifox]

You are ignoring the very real fact that there are people out there who are "healers" by birth. They don't take out ads in the paper. They don't get rich from their God given gift. They do it only because their inner voice tells them that that's what they are here to do. Be arrogant and ignorant enough and sometimes a really bad life experience will make you a believer.

If you have ever tried to understand what happens in certifying a drug for the general public in drug trials, you will understand clearly what medical science really is. There are cases where drugs with 40% success rates are certified for public consumption and then you end up with the 60% of patients suffering horrible side effects.

WTF are you on about?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You are ignoring the very real fact that there are people out there who are "healers" by birth. They don't take out ads in the paper. They don't get rich from their God given gift. They do it only because their inner voice tells them that that's what they are here to do. Be arrogant and ignorant enough and sometimes a really bad life experience will make you a believer.

If you have ever tried to understand what happens in certifying a drug for the general public in drug trials, you will understand clearly what medical science really is. There are cases where drugs with 40% success rates are certified for public consumption and then you end up with the 60% of patients suffering horrible side effects.

What in the duck are you on about.

Belief doesn't make someone a healer, enabling the body to heal itself when it can, and science supporting it when it can't is what makes a healer.

Any drug with you claimed success/side effect rate (I'll wait on a citation) would only be accepted if there weren't any alternatives.

Commercialized medicine has it's problems, but intent to harm isn't one of them.

 

[Indus]

What in the duck are you on about.

Belief doesn't make someone a healer, enabling the body to heal itself when it can, and science supporting it when it can't is what makes a healer.

Any drug with you claimed success/side effect rate (I'll wait on a citation) would only be accepted if there weren't any alternatives.

Commercialized medicine has it's problems, but intent to harm isn't one of them.

But you have to be willing to concede that humans and animals have been using alternative medicine since antiquity.

BTW Who's the bigger witch doctor.. the "real" doctor who bled out George Washington, the doctor who prescribes homeopathic drugs for pain relief made from flowers?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Commercialized medicine has it's problems, but intent to harm isn't one of them.

https://www.ashp.org/-/media/assets/pharmacy-practice/resource-centers/Clinical-Pharmacy-Resources/Critical-Care/MCM-2016/MCM16-283-Drug-Induced-Diseases.ashx?hash=9F68169B08C1F35B14B95FA95FE6A84A50C36D06&la=en

Hey, we had NO intent to harm but bad luck that you lost your hearing because of a 1 in 1000 chance of a side effect.

But an alternative medicine healer with the same "intent" is classified as a quack because the science-based medical establishment does not want people bypassing the very lucrative medical system (pharma+hospitals+doctors) and finding relief elsewhere.

By the way, in like 99% of the cases, most patients only seek out alternative medicine when traditional allopathic medical practitioners fail them.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

But you have to be willing to concede that humans and animals have been using alternative medicine since antiquity.

BTW Who's the bigger witch doctor.. the "real" doctor who bled out George Washington, the doctor who prescribes homeopathic drugs for pain relief made from flowers?

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Bro, you know what they call alternative medicine that works?

Medicine.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Medicine.

Yes. Medicine. Not artificially synthesized drug.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yes. Medicine. Not artificially synthesized drug.

Find me a natural medicine that works that we utilize in modern society that isn't artificially synthesized at this point.

 

[Pens1566]

Find me a natural medicine that works that we utilize in modern society that isn't artificially synthesized at this point.

Aloe?

 

[Indus]

Bro, you know what they call alternative medicine that works?

Medicine.

That's my point. It's Homeopathic Medicine.

It's available over the counter at Walmart!

 

[Indus]

Find me a natural medicine that works that we utilize in modern society that isn't artificially synthesized at this point.

Sunlight for Vitamin D deficiency?

Just don't overdose or you'll become redder than Hellboy!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

That's my point. It's Homeopathic Medicine.

It's available over the counter at Walmart!

So is water, you're less likely to end up dead consuming that than homeopathic shit from china. You'll save money too.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Aloe?

That's one of the few, yes (as far as I know of at least, we just mash it and filter it).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sunlight for Vitamin D deficiency?

Just don't overdose or you'll become redder than Hellboy!

Which is ironic considering the natural delivery method also induces cancer, whereas the synthetic delivery is quite safe.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Find me a natural medicine that works that we utilize in modern society that isn't artificially synthesized at this point.

That's what the entire supplement industry is about. Extracts of natural herbs/nutrients that have medicinal properties.

I would have died long ago from diabetes/kidney failure otherwise (I refuse to make someone rich through dialysis or lifelong purchasing of diabetic drugs).

Millions of needless deaths in the world because doctors declare the case untreatable or let the disease/malady/syndrome run its course with bonus suffering of the patient because their peers all agree that nothing more can be done. Possibilities are out there for those who look, research and investigate. Blindly trusting all doctors and taking their word that nothing else can be done, is one of the dumbest things one can do in this age of information accessibility.

What infuriates me is doctors get paid regardless of whether they cure you or not. A real healer will not accept payment or just ask that you give them a gift in case your problem goes away due to their advice/instruction/medicine.

As someone here once said, "You are paying a professional for their advice". Yes, apparently absolutely useless advice is also worth money!

 

[igor_kavinski]

homeopathic shit from china. You'll save money too.

Well, one should be wary of anything from China. But TCM does have some efficacy (I believe some of their herbs are not easy to find in the rest of the world).

 

[igor_kavinski]

Which is ironic considering the natural delivery method also induces cancer, whereas the synthetic delivery is quite safe.

OMG. For a redhead or albino maybe. Regular sun exposure would cause melanin production to increase,thus imparting protection from risk of skin cancer.

Fine, don't do that if your skin is too light. There are other natural vitamin D sources.

 

[Indus]

So is water, you're less likely to end up dead consuming that than homeopathic shit from china. You'll save money too.

Homeopathy isn't actually that successful in China.. but in Germany, England and it's former dominions.. it's got quite a following.

 

[Amused]

Wrong.

It has to be diluted only to the point it's non toxic. That forms the base (which is tincture) or you can further diluted to 10 millionth times the original undiluted strength.

I actually use the stuff over the counter at Walmart.

Are you saying it's completely ineffective and bullshit??

Because I've had very good results, much better than using Tiger Balm, Emu Oil or Steroid Ointments.

Tried quite a few actually and it works good on me. But then again there are people who swear by other stuff and it doesn't work on me. That's why I'm convinced.. my autoimmune system works with some.. keyword some homeopathic medicines.

You REALLY do not understand Homeopathy AT ALL.

It is, physically, JUST WATER.

That's it. It is diluted to a point that NO MOLECULES of the original ingredient are present in the solution.

It is based on the belief that water has "memory." (But magically forgets all the poop, poisons, pee-pee and everything else it's had in it a million times over)

Homeopathy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Homeopathic dilutions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Homeopathic preparations are termed remedies and are made using homeopathic dilution. In this process, the selected substance is repeatedly diluted until the final product is chemically indistinguishable from the diluent. Often not even a single molecule of the original substance can be expected to remain in the product. Between each dilution homeopaths may hit and/or shake the product, claiming this makes the diluent "remember" the original substance after its removal. Practitioners claim that such preparations, upon oral intake, can treat or cure disease."

It is NOT using natural herbs or plants to cure you. It is using water that may have once, BUT NO LONGER has any trace of those substances in it.

You're literally denying reality here and arguing with others from a position of near complete ignorance on the subject. And the longer you argue, the more ignorant you appear.