Constitutional? Louisiana about to pass law requiring 10 Commandments be displayed in public schools

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JD50

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Because I have no doubt that they consulted lawyers before doing it.

Why I don't/didn't elaborate, is this topic doesn't have my OCD firing like it does for others. I really don't care, as in, really. Matters not which religion, I am against any distractions from core curriculum in schools but that also includes cellphones and many others, but I am not in, nor do I know anyone in a Louisiana public school. They might as well require it on the moon, and same result, don't care.
Oh, they consulted lawyers, it must be constitutional then.
 

iRONic

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Look at his username and put him/it on ignore. Just another magat troll
While the posts in this thread by that member are certainly out of left field I’d pump the brakes on slinging that political type of mud.

JMNSHO
 

Moonbeam

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While the posts in this thread by that member are certainly out of left field I’d pump the brakes on slinging that political type of mud.

JMNSHO
While I see a point to being intolerant of intolerance, it’s easy to become what we fear. One can easily come to believe that those calling for breakers are trying to make those addressed feel like victims.
 

Meghan54

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Because I have no doubt that they consulted lawyers before doing it.

Why I don't/didn't elaborate, is this topic doesn't have my OCD firing like it does for others. I really don't care, as in, really. Matters not which religion, I am against any distractions from core curriculum in schools but that also includes cellphones and many others, but I am not in, nor do I know anyone in a Louisiana public school. They might as well require it on the moon, and same result, don't care.
Let me ask what makes this constitutional when, in 1980, Kentucky did the same thing and was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

“In Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980), the Supreme Court ruled that a 1978 Kentucky law that required the posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall of every public school classroom in the state violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because the purpose of the display was essentially religious.

“The Kentucky courts upheld the law, but the Supreme Court reversed. In determining whether the law had the effect of establishing religion, the Court concluded that the required display of the Ten Commandments in schoolrooms served a religious purpose.

“‘The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact,’ the Court wrote.”


 
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trenchfoot

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Let me ask what makes this constitutional when, in 1980, Kentucky did the same thing and was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

“In Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980), the Supreme Court ruled that a 1978 Kentucky law that required the posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall of every public school classroom in the state violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because the purpose of the display was essentially religious.

“The Kentucky courts upheld the law, but the Supreme Court reversed. In determining whether the law had the effect of establishing religion, the Court concluded that the required display of the Ten Commandments in schoolrooms served a religious purpose.

“‘The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact,’ the Court wrote.”



That seems like solid evidence to support the illegality of posting up the Ten Suggestions (as far as how most Christians treat those "commandments" anyway). However, we've just had a far right Supreme Court majority overturn Roe V Wade, so now all we can do is hang on to our lugnuts and hope by some miracle that these holier than thou justices see the light or actually walk to it and back off on their intention of turning our democracy into a fascist theocracy.
 

ch33zw1z

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Let me ask what makes this constitutional when, in 1980, Kentucky did the same thing and was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

“In Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980), the Supreme Court ruled that a 1978 Kentucky law that required the posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall of every public school classroom in the state violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because the purpose of the display was essentially religious.

“The Kentucky courts upheld the law, but the Supreme Court reversed. In determining whether the law had the effect of establishing religion, the Court concluded that the required display of the Ten Commandments in schoolrooms served a religious purpose.

“‘The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact,’ the Court wrote.”



What mindless meant when he said “talk to a lawyer” was that LA decided that the scotus is ripe for change and will likely support the state showing religious preference
 
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It'll probably be allowed as long as they change the language, so they'll just update it to something more modern. "You can steal as long as they're poorer than you." "Shoot anyone that steals from you then teabag them and take a pic of you showing your ass. Unless they're rich, then say thanks and ask if you can give them more." (aka turn the other cheek) "Suck your daddy's and priest's dicks like good little boys and girls." "Covet your neighbors children, not his wife. Also, do whatever it takes to steal money so you have better shit to make them covet you." "If you put it in the butt its not sex. So really the priests didn't do anything sexual to the little boys. Its science!" "Women who are not in the kitchen are whores and deserve what's coming to them." "Don't dress like sluts, but regardless you deserved it." "Give money to Turmp." "Don't kill white men." "Its ok to lie." "Groom children but accuse others of doing it." You know, the modern 10 commandments of right wing America.
 
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Pens1566

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Let me ask what makes this constitutional when, in 1980, Kentucky did the same thing and was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

“In Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980), the Supreme Court ruled that a 1978 Kentucky law that required the posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall of every public school classroom in the state violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because the purpose of the display was essentially religious.

“The Kentucky courts upheld the law, but the Supreme Court reversed. In determining whether the law had the effect of establishing religion, the Court concluded that the required display of the Ten Commandments in schoolrooms served a religious purpose.

“‘The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact,’ the Court wrote.”



Because the current SCOTUS wipes their ass with precedent.
 

mindless1

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Let me ask what makes this constitutional when, in 1980, Kentucky did the same thing and was found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?


You should probably ask my neighbor's dog, because that would be about as effective at addressing what Louisiana does as asking me in this topic, and we both care about the same amount.

If you live in Louisiana, contact your state reps. Otherwise, this, like most AT political topics, is a waste of time. It is really strange how people get so caught up in the internet that they think whatever they state anywhere, matters.
 
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JD50

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You should probably ask my neighbor's dog, because that would be about as effective at addressing what Louisiana does as asking me in this topic, and we both care about the same amount.

If you live in Louisiana, contact your state reps. Otherwise, this, like most AT political topics, is a waste of time. It is really strange how people get so caught up in the internet that they think whatever they state anywhere, matters.

It's always funny when people come into very specific forums and say these kinds of things, as if it doesn't apply to them as well. What kind of moron goes to some random forum dedicated to a topic they don't care about, and then tells everyone in that forum they're wasting their time?
 

Pens1566

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You should probably ask my neighbor's dog, because that would be about as effective at addressing what Louisiana does as asking me in this topic, and we both care about the same amount.

If you live in Louisiana, contact your state reps. Otherwise, this, like most AT political topics, is a waste of time. It is really strange how people get so caught up in the internet that they think whatever they state anywhere, matters.

Well, we'd get a better answer.
 
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brycejones

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It's always funny when people come into very specific forums and say these kinds of things, as if it doesn't apply to them as well. What kind of moron goes to some random forum dedicated to a topic they don't care about, and then tells everyone in that forum they're wasting their time?
The user name says all you need to know.
 

Stopsignhank

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I imagine this will go over like a fart in church. A hindu community would like to pay for and have a hindu document displayed alongside the ten commandments in each classroom.

BATON ROUGE, La. (BRPROUD) — A spokesperson of the Hindu community is seeking to have ancient Sanskrit scriptures displayed in public classrooms alongside the Ten Commandments.

On Wednesday, Gov. Jeff Landry signed a law that requires each public classroom, starting from kindergarten to state-funded universities, in Louisiana to display the Ten Commandments.

The President of the Universal Society of Hinduism Rajan Zed said in a statement that the Bhagavad Gita, or the Gita, was a historically significant document and he believes is a treasure that should be displayed in public school classrooms.

The Gita is recognized as a poem in India and used as spiritual guidance, according to Britannica.

Zed states the Hindu community would cover the cost of the “11×14” posters and no funding from the state or school would be required.

The Hindu statesman noted that multiple prominent Americans were influenced by the Gita including philosopher Henry David Thoreau, physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer, philosopher Aldous Huxley and physicist Albert Einstein.

Zed believes that increasing the awareness of other religions would make classrooms in Louisiana “well-nurtured, well-balanced, and enlightened citizens of tomorrow.”
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Muse

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We used to have to recite in unison The Pledge of Allegiance, I suppose with right hand over our heart, at the beginning of each school day in grammar school. "one nation, under God..." blah blah. I guess we did some ducking under our desks too, but not sure about that. A "patriotic" song or two, as well. And all those crappy history books. I never did well in history, even English in grade school. Getting out of the compulsory school system was the beginning of my real education... except for STEM. That's where I could (and did) get a footing, beginning in junior high school. Mathematics has rigor. I took to that, stuck to it to as a major in higher eduction, but my interests and imagination have always gone far beyond the sciences. That's not to say I disparage science. On the contrary, I have the greatest respect for legitimate, honest scientists.

"All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have." - Albert Einstein
 

Muse

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Christopher Hitchens decimated The 10 Commandments in his "god is not Great" opus.

Or here (different, but witty and worthy!):

 
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Ajay

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Christopher Hitchens decimated The 10 Commandments in his "god is not Great" opus.

Or here (different, but witty and worthy!):

Idiotic commentary. He’s already completely misrepresenting what Christians believe in the first 90 seconds. At least start with the truth of our beliefs if you intend to tear them down. It was a profitable business entire b/4 he passed. RIP.
 
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